Author Topic: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache  (Read 18330 times)

Offline Adrian

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Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« on: May 10, 2008, 11:54:37 PM »
I don't know if many people have heard of this site http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/page1.asp lol

Well you can start an online petition how about one to remove Mr bailhache from office?

If enough people from Jersey signed this well the British government would have to take notice, the only thing that keeps people like Sir Philip Bailhache in power is apathy.

If the wording was right and not abusive then the British government would have to take notice.
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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2008, 12:53:40 AM »
By all means we should open an e-petition, but perhaps it would be good to work out exactly what we want first.

Should we simply ask for Philip Baillache to be removed, or call for an end to having a Bailiff.

The danger being that when he either leaves or gets the tin-tack, we may end up with another arrogant and ignorant pro-establishment type.

Personally, I'd like to see the whole situation reviewed, so that all those who have power within the States Chamber are elected by us.

Meanwhile, there are already some e-petitions on there which may be of interest:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/jerseytruth/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Jersey/

Perhaps there are others which I didn't find.

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2008, 12:57:53 AM »
So few signatures could do us more harm than good. We need to reach more people first.

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2008, 01:01:28 AM »
So, please say if you'd like to see Philip Baillache gone and a new Bailiff, or the role of the Bailiff reviewed with a view to an end of that role completely.

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2008, 01:03:22 AM »
By all means we should open an e-petition, but perhaps it would be good to work out exactly what we want first.

Should we simply ask for Philip Baillache to be removed, or call for an end to having a Bailiff.

The danger being that when he either leaves or gets the tin-tack, we may end up with another arrogant and ignorant pro-establishment type.

Personally, I'd like to see the whole situation reviewed, so that all those who have power within the States Chamber are elected by us.

Meanwhile, there are already some e-petitions on there which may be of interest:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/jerseytruth/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Jersey/

Perhaps there are others which I didn't find.

If he left or got the sack, he won't have any real power, if he stood for the states who would vote for him? He is probably the most powerful person in Jersey right now if you could bring him down the rest would follow. There is plenty of Jersey people at uni in the Uk or live there if they went to their mp's surgeries and spoke to them about the problems in jersey they would help. Any Mp would be willing to help be they labour, tory, left-wing or right-wing this is to do with human rights issues this man is like a mp from a rotton bourgh 200 years ago.

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2008, 01:07:31 AM »
....... this man is like a mp from a rotton bourgh 200 years ago.

You're absolutely right. But Jersey has always been at least 20 years behind the rest of the civilised world in certain aspects of life. Victoria College for one invests thousands of pounds every year to keep it that way. Why?

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 10:09:02 AM »
You're absolutely right. But Jersey has always been at least 20 years behind the rest of the civilised world in certain aspects of life. Victoria College for one invests thousands of pounds every year to keep it that way. Why?
Have to get the right wording ,and for to do it collectively .No point in having several as you want to have many votes ,not disperse them .

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2008, 02:12:51 PM »
Jersey is a democracy even though not a very fair one. To put it in plain language Bailhache is in my personal opinion shouldn't be Bailiff of Jersey. He appears to be an enemy of anyone who wants free speech and wants to make Jersey a better place for the majority not just his friends.
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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2008, 02:33:01 PM »
My thoughts are that the position of Bailiff should be made redundant, given that when Bailhache goes there's a whole bunch of other Bailhache-types waiting in the wings. We should have an elected "Speaker of the House" instead, one who does not debate or vote, same as UK Parliament. That person should formally declare that they have no allegiance with any States Members.  They should not be related to or work externally with any States Members, they should not socialise privately with any States Members, or their families.

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2008, 02:45:51 PM »
My thoughts are that the position of Bailiff should be made redundant, given that when Bailhache goes there's a whole bunch of other Bailhache-types waiting in the wings. We should have an elected "Speaker of the House" instead, one who does not debate or vote, same as UK Parliament. That person should formally declare that they have no allegiance with any States Members.  They should not be related to or work externally with any States Members, they should not socialise privately with any States Members, or their families.
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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2008, 02:59:24 PM »

He will never go.
Sadly he is propped up by that other waste of money the Lieutenant Governor.

That being said, I would sign anything that will at least make him annoyed!

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2008, 03:06:36 PM »
I'm all for getting rid of the Baliiff, Walker and the rest of the tyrants. If anybody is as serious as myself pm me and let's get our heads together to put the wheels in motion.

All too often, on here, somebody comes up with an idea it gets some great support, ends up getting slagged off and nothing ever comes of it. It's all well and good playing "virtual politics" but unless people take to the streets, research and start putting these ideas into practise, nothing ever changes.

I am still very much a novice in the political sphere but am willing to do more than comment on internet forums. I am passionate about bringing about change. So if anybody wishes to do more than sit at their computer and are willing to do some real groundwork and get their hands dirty pm me, we can meet up and discuss the way forward and make noises in the right places.
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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2008, 03:27:49 PM »
I'm all for getting rid of the Baliiff, Walker and the rest of the tyrants. If anybody is as serious as myself pm me and let's get our heads together to put the wheels in motion.

All too often, on here, somebody comes up with an idea it gets some great support, ends up getting slagged off and nothing ever comes of it. It's all well and good playing "virtual politics" but unless people take to the streets, research and start putting these ideas into practise, nothing ever changes.

I am still very much a novice in the political sphere but am willing to do more than comment on internet forums. I am passionate about bringing about change. So if anybody wishes to do more than sit at their computer and are willing to do some real groundwork and get their hands dirty pm me, we can meet up and discuss the way forward and make noises in the right places.
I'm all for that .Sick to death of people moaning at work,friends and family that it does not make any difference what you say,or who you vote in ,because nothing changes.
If Guernsey can do it so can we.People have got to take an interest in politics in some way,because it afects all aspects of our lives, and those of our kids.
The present system is not good because you can only vote in your district,and often the candidates standing  do not represent our views .If one thing needs reforming it is this aspect,something that was recommended in Clothier report,but thrown out for obvious reasons .
Do we want real Democracy where people from all sections of society and their interests are represented fairly ,or the present system where very small percentages of voters decide the fate for the rest of us.?

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2008, 04:21:47 PM »
If people want to do something it will have to be a united front. In the Uk in times of war or emergency all political parties work together for the common good. If you want to do something in Jersey everyone will have to work together under one banner for it to achieve something.

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Re: Downing street petition to remove Sir Philip Bailhache
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2008, 08:50:19 PM »
"Do we want real Democracy where people from all sections of society and their interests are represented fairly ,or the present system where very small percentages of voters decide the fate for the rest of us.?"

Bea - how do you propose we alter this status quo? What is real Democracy to you? How can we change the current system whereby a few decide for us all?