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Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2012, 04:02:12 PM »
We will never have a good government until we get party politics or go back to the committees system. Yes i know it seems like a backward step but remember we never had this trouble with committee.
No one could just do what they liked, it had to go before the States to get all propositions passed.
As we all know since ministers came in everything has gone upside down with power to the few and no one accountable.
Somehow we must get the people to vote for the people who care for this Island and not just the members of the establishment.
The establishment party is sucking the people dry! We the little people are working our butts off for the well to do people. While they enjoy the best of Jersey.
If only there could be a party that thought of the people first and that within that party the majority vote would always count so that there would be no fallout like the last JDA,only then shall Jersey be looked after in a proper way.

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2012, 07:30:24 PM »
I agree, but I don't think that the people now in power will ever let the old committee system return. Party politics are even further away from being a possibility. Sadly I'm not very confident that  those slippery characters with their tight grip on the reins will relinquish their power easily.
We can only keep on saying out loud what a lot of people are thinking, and be ready to back the good guys when appropriate.

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2012, 09:24:43 PM »

All governments need their feet held to the fire

Transparency is tough but necessary, writes Francis Maude, Cabinet Office Minister

Part of the article:

Political parties love transparency when they're in opposition, and they love it for the first year or two in power when it's about exposing your predecessors' failures. After that there's a risk of being exposed yourself.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9613965/All-governments-need-their-feet-held-to-the-fire.html

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2012, 10:58:03 PM »

Interesting proposition:

Jersey Reform Day rebellion 'should be marked'

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-20078818

The events of 28 September 1769 were a "rising-up of ordinary, working people weary of the abuse of privilege" as people at the time were tired of "the moral bankruptcy of all too many of their 'betters'", he added.

Hopefully history won't repeat itself or should it! Could this be a reminder that people's tolerance of abuse of power has its limits?



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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2013, 04:17:39 PM »
The States have fifteen days to respond once our-chaps are suggested by the States Privileges & Procedures Committee under the chairmanship of Constable Crowcroft who are ( no complaints from states members ) appointed to decide on the pay awards for the same States members.

So no conflict of interest there then ? and another fully independent type Electoral Commission that’s all about getting  on board - well nobody independent really, that would be a bit risky.

Another riveting and interesting story you will not read in the JEP because it uncovers the PPC misplaced idea of the word independent.
After all, are they not the committee that are supposed to be in charge of all that is good honest and respectful by way of procedures in Government, they forgot the words integrity, independent and morally right.

Exclusive  from tonymusings blog , a must read article.

"The members [of SMRRB] shall be appointed by the Privileges and Procedures Committee following requisite consultation with the Jersey Appointments Commission. Before making any appointments the Committee shall nevertheless be required to present a report to the States setting out the names of the proposed appointees and the appointments shall not be confirmed by the Committee until at least 15 days after the presentation of this report."

Thanks to Tony

http://tonymusings.blogspot.de
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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2013, 05:18:26 PM »


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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2013, 06:21:56 PM »


An example set by FRANCE towards good and open Government and a leader who actually leads.

One way of stopping all claims of a corrupt Government is to follow the leadership and positive action of French president François Hollande's. 
Very simple, publish the assets and complete finances  including earnings of his Minister’s.
It is reported they were less than happy but complied.
A good idea for Jersey don’t you think nothing to hide, so why worry.

http://www.declarations-patrimoine.gouvernement.fr

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2013, 05:40:56 AM »
It’s Showtime…………………its fun, its who really said what – it is for us to discover, why and how the Electoral Commissions referendum questions, and the big massive result cheered by the powerful  "B" team ended up in such a sticky mess on the floor of the assembly.

Some say, the result was anti democratic after a public vote was cast, some say it was self preservation, people even say the States at last saw sense and trashed a conflicted referendum which was the work of self interest and lacked integrity and honesty and the future democratic well being of Jersey. So now its up to you.

The Hansard link below will tell you everything about the characters you and I have voted in to make our lives better or a dam site worse. Learn more about the people that will want ( sorry beg  for ) your vote at the 2014 election,  is he / she worth your  time.

Recycled from the Trevor Pitman Blog.

Anonymous 24 July 2013 00:12:00 BST

The Hansard for the electoral reform debate is online. It makes interesting reading. It's a good debate, with some cogent arguments put forward. The media are nevertheless presenting it as "28 members ignored the public". I urge readers to read the debate and make their own minds up.?

?http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyHansard/2013/2013.07.16%20States%20-%20Edited%20Transcript.pdf??


In particular I noticed that Senator Philip Bailhache said on p 31 that he is?"not in the slightest bit interested in my own political future". That has to be good news. Perhaps he can stand aside and let a younger man have the opportunity in 2014???

He goes on to say that the legislature should be smaller and more "efficient". I completely disagree. The States is a government, not a business. I've had enough of the Chamber of Commerce types preaching smaller, fitter, leaner. It might work in a computerised bank, but it doesn't work in government.
 For once I agree with Deputy Macon - there is a case for MORE members, to ensure effective scrutiny and that a heavy workload is adequately shared. I mean, preventing just one Bill Ogley pay off would pay for an extra 10 States members for a year!!!

http://thebaldtruthjersey.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/transmissions-from-twilight-zone-of.html#comment-form

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2013, 04:53:24 PM »
One could be thought of as wrong, if the term empire building was only attached to senior civil servants expanding States Departments. Ministers are also playing the empire building game.

Senator Bailhache it appears ? Has problems using the internet or telephone to access factual information that the review group of five people employed at the Chief Ministers department could not access on his behalf.

It is Far more fun to fly off across the world to pop in to offices recently set up all staffed by underlings - that tip their heads - when the high and mighty visit.   

We are of course remembering Barbados, and now talking about the public purse paying for an expensive £600,000 office, when a meeting in London is an hour away by plane or less than a minute by pre arranged video phone link.

Value for money for the Jersey public ? who cares, as long as senior politicians and civil servants are having a good time and strutting around feeling important while they avoid putting their sticky hands into their own pockets to pay for five star treatment, all in the name of Jersey of course. This makes the Radisson’s stop over look like a cheap tea party in comparison.

JEP

UP TO two dozen top States civil servants spent last night at the Radisson hotel at the taxpayers’ expense.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2011/10/07/four-star-emergency/

BBC.

Senator Ian Gorst made £430,000 available to get the office up and running.
It will be run by a senior civil servant and will lobby Whitehall and Westminster for the island.

After the initial set-up costs it will need about £600,000 per year to run, covering staff and office space.
Senator Sir Philip Bailhache, who is responsible for foreign affairs, said it would help relations with Whitehall.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-23518724

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2013, 07:28:12 PM »
After reading the article and especially about helping people in difficulties in London it springs to mind that it is clutching at straws to think that students will have difficulties as most of the students attending in London will probably be minted.  Also anyone living in London must surely be fairly well healed considering the prices charged for purchasing or renting accommodation there.

Anyway the offices we have on our island often fall short of actually being able to help people so why do they think an office in London will help anyone connected to the island, unless of, of course, the people they wish to help are already wealthy anyway.

How many veils do we have to draw clear to find find out who is actually doing the belly dancing?

Stranger than fiction -  Alice in Wonderland stuff! 

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2013, 08:09:46 PM »
Sounds like nonsense.

Universities employ people to help students.

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2013, 03:53:14 PM »
Universities employ people to help students.

In their early days that was the case in fact the students employed the lecturers.  But that changed a long time ago.  Contracturally in Britian university academic staff are usually employed to conduct research, lecturing/tutoring ets is a secondary function!   There are many other non academic staff in a large instution like a university, including catering, secretarial,  marketting, building maintenance....... 

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2013, 11:25:32 PM »


It shows what can happen when the people make an effort to have their voices heard. Well done the people of Guernsey,

Guernsey Press.

HUNDREDS of disabled islanders and their carers gathered outside the Royal Court this morning to lobby deputies ahead of the Disability and Inclusion Strategy debate.

Many said they were ‘touched’ by the sheer amount of people that had turned up and even Rory the Lion made an appearance.

http://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/11/27/hundreds-lobby-deputies-ahead-of-disability-debate/

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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2014, 06:16:06 AM »

Nick Le Cornu and Sam Mezec have both been elected on a strong reform platform.

Thanks to Tony for an interesting article giving his views on the election, its winners and losers and body language.

Well done to Sam Meznec and Nick Le Cornu they both worked hard and take politics and working people and their problems seriously.

One has the feeling that questions asked in the assembly are about to increase and become more direct, and any one giving an evasive answer will find themselves being cross examined.

http://tonymusings.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/election-results.html
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Re: Good Government in Jersey ?
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2014, 02:29:55 AM »
Really pleased that they got in.