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Offline Deputy Dawg

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2008, 04:58:50 AM »
The link doesn't work for me.

http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au/piweb/results.aspx

go to new search, type "vibert" in the text and "all collections" then seach and review any of the hansards.

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2008, 05:00:55 AM »
The link doesn't work for me.


Just tried the link myself. It does work, but took an age.
Try pasting this in your address bar http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au/piweb/results.aspx

Failing that try Australia Hansard in google and it should be the first listed. When in the site use 'find' then 'parlinfo' and enter Vibert in the search. Under 'chambers' you should get 6 refs.
I used to have more Hansard refs to Ted Vibert and his deeds, but have lost the ref.

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2008, 05:06:22 AM »
What we need is (a minimum of) two effective parties with cohesive policies and manifestos. Single party states don't generally have a good reputation.

A start would be the one party that is activly touting for members to provide policies and manifestos, AND importantly to back up the above with the how. Like Millennium Man has said, if you are going to get rid of GST, where will the savings come from? etc, Is it any wonder the Pss is taken out of them when not only the general public but the party does not even know what it is standing for.

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2008, 05:11:36 AM »
Thanks got it sorted, interesting stuff.

Maybe I miss judged the reasons for his political leanings, however he was well documented for his anti finance views, something which has filtered down into the JDA of today.
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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2008, 05:21:46 AM »
This is not what I actually said, tho' you have inferred it.

I assumed from the quoted paragraph that was what you were implying:

"Every newspaper has some kind of bias, tends to present news according to their particular viewpoint and needs to be read critically - one should never expect the entire, objective truth."

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.  :P


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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2008, 07:07:05 AM »
A start would be the one party that is activly touting for members to provide policies and manifestos...

I agree, but the response to anyone remotely mentioning their views or their name on here seems to verge on personal attacks rather than reasoned debate. There are many aspects of local politics of which I know little and would like to know more... From these exchanges I learn nothing other than that some people strongly dislike the JDA, and that is not useful or informative.

(And, incidentally, the need to supply policies and manifestos is not restricted to the JDA but extends to the majority of elected representatives who have gained their seats in the States by saying what the electorate wants to hear at election time, taking advantage of the low turnout, and then doing exactly what they want once in the Assembly... I try hard to keep up to date with political affairs both in the UK and internationally but in Jersey I find following the tedious minutiae of local issues remarkably difficult...listening to States debates on the radio makes me want to bang my head against a wall until the pain stops! At a time when the standard business presentation is based upon simple, clear, easy-to-follow bullet points, and worldwide media coverage of politics revolves around snappy soundbites, the States Assembly seem to be moving in the opposite direction, masking any decision in unnecessary verbiage with members enjoying their time on their feet making exactly the same point as the previous speaker...or maybe it has always been like this and it's just bothering me more. Even Stuart Syvret, with all the positive things he has done, desperately needs to learn the virtue of keeping things short and simple).

Like Millennium Man has said, if you are going to get rid of GST, where will the savings come from?...

My personal feeling about GST is that it is a regressive tax and should, as a minimum, not be applied to food, children's clothes, books, newspapers and magazines. The setting of the ex minimus level at £400 at a time when internet shopping is becoming so popular will devastate local shops (Why should I buy something on Queen Street when I can have it posted free, perhaps even from Rue des Pres, Mont Mado or Oxford Road, with a saving of at least 3%?)... But I am aware that to do this would leave a tax shortfall...and I am also aware that I do not have the answer to how this could be made up, only some ideas... And this is where participating in informed, reasoned, intellectual debate comes in... If people have answers, ideas or beliefs on this (or other issues) they should be able to express and share them on here, whatever they are, rather than being targetted because of their political affiliation.

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2008, 02:02:43 AM »
We do not actually know what the JDA does.  At the moment all we do know is that they hi-jack a rally on child abuse to slate the current Government.  They do not support the finance industry because David Rotherham literally confirms this, and they do not know how the hell they will get power apart from pleading with people to say they are the worthy party but with no manifesto.

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2008, 09:10:57 AM »
Like Millennium Man has said, if you are going to get rid of GST, where will the savings come from?...

A good place to start would be the civil service, then get everyone to pay the same percentage of tax and stop money being wasted on waste of time projects like the avenue debacle.

To maintain the services on offer, you'd need privatisation, which I thought was a right wing sort of thing? I had always understood that left wing governments increase the size of the civil service? ?

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2008, 12:55:58 PM »
They do, and at all costs, and even if it means the rate payers of St Helier have to fund a final salary pension scheme for the next 82 years.

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2008, 01:51:02 PM »
The 'left-right' question is an interesting area of thought. I would say Jersey has the worst of both worlds. The island has a government that is to all intents and purposes right-wing, and which puts the creation of personal wealth before the creation of a relatively equal society. But the island also has a quite impressively bloated civil service and public sector, normally associated with socialist governments. Like most things to do with Jersey, it's a bit of an anomaly.

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Re: JEP attacks the JDA on role of Bailiff
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2008, 06:53:58 PM »
The left wing is going down a road of mud slinging though.