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Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« on: October 04, 2011, 08:39:50 PM »
Borrowed from the Linda Corby for Senator thread and put on here for follow on reference as the post is about Sir Phillip Bailhache's poor judgement in the past, which comes back to haunt him in the middle of a St. Helier Hustings meeting and it’s all been filmed.

I would rather this had happened at the Senatorial husting’s when he was on the platform because it would have given him a fair chance to speak and give his view's. I was told by a reliable source that Bob Le Brocq was " overlooked " during question time therefore was unable to ask the Senatorial candidates his question..

Sir Phillip, if he is serious about becoming a Senator could always come on pj as Senator Ferguson, Deputy Sean Power, Deputy  Carolyn Labey and Stuart Syvret have done so plus, a handfull of new candidates including L.Corby. No doubt the JEP will step in and come to his aid.

The  film.

http://youtu.be/DCDklsEoyow
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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 09:52:07 PM »
In addition to that issue, there are a few other questions about judgement that arise.  Two that occur to to me are his campaigning, for I think £20 million of public money, for a national gallery just before the last election, while as Bailiff being quite impartial of course, and not seeing the financial problems headed our way.  The second is the risk of a former States deputy turned judge going back into the States as an elected member . It raises the serious possibility of accusations of political bias while a judge. and the consequent challenges and reviews of all those cases where where he presided.

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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 10:10:40 PM »
Having just scanned the office copy of the JEP I notice that they have departed from their usual practice of covering all the questions and candidates answers.  The question relating to Bailhache does not get any attention, despite it being the most notable of all the questions put.

This is an absolute disgrace.  Shame on you JEP for your partisan and biased reporting. 

Can't have a bad word said about - Philip Bailhache -the man responsible for appointing a paedo-cop and allowing him to continue in post.
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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2011, 10:41:45 PM »
Good information Res Nullius, as a lot of people who get the JEP would not be aware of the missing question, should they not have attended the husting. Lets us see if BBC Jersey or CTV report more honestly.

My view is slightly different though, it is not that the Sir Phillip messed up at the time, we are all human and none of us are infallible, but he blamed someone else for his mistake. Ted Vibert was correct in his appraisal.

The Constable at the time, Bob Le Brocq was stripped searched put in a cell charged and at a later date taken to court costing the rate payers of  St Helier over a hundred thousand as the insurance only went up to £50K for his defence which had the support of the procurers.

All because the AG at the time Sir Phillip tried to offload blame on to someone else.

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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2011, 10:46:07 PM »
 my email to Chris Bright Editor of the JEP


http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.com/2011/10/jersey-msm-in-gutter-1.html


Dear Mr Bright
 
Thank you for your email.
 
I had best start at the beginning.  I was contacted by an abuse survivor who was disgusted by your crass reply to an email they had sent you.  Some very serious concerns were raised by this person regarding the biased reporting in respect of such issues as the historic child abuse enquiry (the "HCAE"), continued vilification of former Senator Stuart Syvret and the non-reporting of the serious issues surrounding the former investigating officer of the HCAE, Mick Gradwell, leaking information during a live investigation.
 
Having read your reply I was left in shock.  You could not have shown more disdain for this person if you had tried.  Your reply lacked compassion and understanding of what the victims of abuse have been through.  Could it be that the tone of your reply can be interpreted in itself as an explanation of the JEPs apparent stance on these issues being as you are its chief editor?  In an island which has only one newspaper, is it not right for the local populus to expect some fair and balanced reporting?  Considering the level of accountability that Rupert Murdoch, heading up a newspaper with a readership of only 40%, has had to face in respect of certain ethical matters, surely an individual heading up a newspaper with 100% market readsership should be prepared to be called to account for statements made in written correspondence to a member of the public.
 
With the forthcoming committee of enquiry into the HCAE, it is imperative that the role of the local mainstream media is considered.  They have done nothing but trash the HCAE and so with it the credibility of the abuse survivors themselves.  I find it hard to understand why the JEP, CTV and BBC Jersey have acted in this way rather than investigating the allegations made and reporting their findings in an impartial fashion.  Who now, other than certain politicians, will feel that they can turn to the media for help and support?  I feel that the JEP is fully aligned with the old feudal power of Jersey.  It does not surprise me that it has thrown its weight behind Sir Philip Bailhache in the forthcoming senatorial elections, but who could forget the Roger Holland affair, the Liberation Day 2008 speech and the Jarvis Dykes fiasco?
 
The JEP can no longer get away with its non-credible reporting as time and technology has caught up with it.
 
Please show the abuse survivors the common respect they deserve.
 
Kind regards
 
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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2011, 11:16:37 PM »
Hi boatyboy

As I recall it Bailhache, as AG, went into court without the full facts known to him. 

The way it works is that the AG is passed a file by one of his crown officers and rolls up in court.  He presents the application and is asked if everything has been checked.  He said it had but this claim was evidently true.  If he had said "no, we haven't checked everything" the judge would have adjourned the matter until the checks had been done.  Whether or not he had been given incorrect information by one of his assistants is irrelevant, ultimatley the buck stops with him.  He had not done his homework and was unprepared for court.  That was screw up No.1.

I wonder how many lawyers he, later sitting as a judge, gave a roasting to for being ill prepared and not knowing the facts of the case they presented???

After the swearing in of Holland he returned to the office where he was told of the conviction.  What should he do? 

a) ignore it and hope no-one notices or
b) contact the greffier and ask to be slotted into the afternoon sitting of the court so that Holland's appointment could be revoked.

He chose a) above.  Screw up No.2.

When it came to light to the world that a paedophile had been appointed, on his recommendation, as a police officer, he sought to blame another person for the mistake.  Screw up No.3.

He is culpable in every department but, like other things, attempted a cover up.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 01:20:54 AM »
Of course if I am wrong about my recollection Mr Bailhache could always come on here to put me right and to discuss his suitability generally. ::)
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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 03:19:43 AM »

The Clerk of the Attorney General offers a reasonable and sensible statement, the most important sentence “ As a matter of routine “ this means to me, that it was normal policy to carry out these checks and of no stress to staff. 

The second paragraph below  paints a big picture, to ask the court to review shortly after the swearing in means a mistake may have been made. Yep it happens in life, deal with it but apparently not in the case of Roger Holland..
In all fairness to the attorney general at the time he was probably very busy with other important work however the outcome was Bob Le Brocq was strip searched and locked in a cell for eight hours and then taken to court, not the way to treat a politician,  appalling treatment and its purpose was ? Maybe Tony has researched why this lockup happened

http://tonymusings.blogspot.com/2011/10/philip-bailhache-and-roger-holland.html


However, in written evidence to this Committee, the then Clerk to the Attorney General paints a different picture. She stated that: As a matter of routine, all prospective honorary police officers were automatically checked out with the Criminal Records Office, both by the Greffier on behalf of the Town Hall and by myself on behalf of our department. My requests to the Criminal Records Office were made by telephone and that office would fax the records through to us with no other paperwork being created. Criminal records are not usually kept on file as a safeguard against a Data Protection breach. She also stated: Should I or one of my colleagues have omitted to do this, it would have been picked by the Attorney General or Solicitor General before going to the Samedi Court for the swearing in process.

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4.1.28 The then Attorney General [Philip Bailhache] made the point to this Committee that the swearing-in of an honorary police officer before the Royal Court process is a solemn affair, and to ask the Court to review shortly after the swearing in an honorary police officer's suitability for continuing in office would have been a very serious matter. Furthermore, the threshold for making that petition would have been higher than if the question were asked before he had been sworn in.

Thanks to Tony Musings.

And  Tom Gruchy

This is extraordinary ..................talk about giving  Syvret a leg up, who got the laughter and applause ?

http://tomgruchy.blogspot.com/2011/10/philip-bailhache-and-stuart-syvret-on.html

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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 06:00:31 AM »
I am really surprised why Robert Le Brocq should want to drag up this near 20-year affair yet again. If you go back and actually read the 2002 Committee of Enquiry Report, it is clear that he does not come out of this smelling of roses- nobody does. It would appear from paragraphs 4.1.13 and 4.1.14 that Mr. Le Brocq (shortly before he became Constable) was one of those present at the monthly meeting of the St. Helier Honorary Police on 9th June 1992 during which the potential candidacy of Mr. Holland for the vacant position of Constable's Officer was discussed. An extract from the minute (quoted in the Committee of Enquiry Report) states: "No officers present were opposed to the election of the two men and if they were prepared to face the possible rejection of the court they should be allowed to stand." The report then states that from the evidence submitted, the committee was satisfied that one of the two candidates being referred to here was Mr. Holland.

Then there is the mention in paragraph 5.1.19 of the file note by Attorney-General Michael Birt of a meeting on 4th August 1995 between himself, Constable Le Brocq and the Town Greffier, Paddy Freeley, to discuss whether to suspend Mr. Holland or require him to resign following an incident involving Mr. Holland in September 1994. The file note said: "The Constable requested that I consider suspension. He said that C.O. Holland is a very enthusiastic member of the Force and has been already punished quite substantially by the long period of suspension. He believes that Holland has learnt his lesson and is much chastened by the whole experience". As a consequence, the Attorney General suspended Mr. Holland for three months. Mr. Holland was then re-elected as a Constable's Officer on 5th December 1995 and did not finally resign from the Honorary Police until 17th November 1999.

No matter how many nodding dog candidates in St. Helier No. 3 stand up and point the finger solely at Sir Philip Bailhache for short-term political gain, thankfully the Report is still there to be consulted:

http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/documents/reports/7537-3643.htm
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 09:55:58 PM »
Just be spotted canvassing outside the Co-Op at Red Houses !
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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 02:57:06 AM »
red houses?

Was he flogging copies of socialist worker?

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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 03:04:08 AM »
Blimey he must be desperate! Would not normally stoop so low.

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 05:13:20 AM »
Seems Senator Bailhache has come out of it very rosey indeed, seems old Batty Boy was way off the mark again, will he ever get his facts and views in order? I doubt it.

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Re: Sir Phillip Bailhache gets a mauling in St. Helier.
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 05:25:08 AM »

Dundee what a childish thing to say, I never ever said he would fail to be elected, check what has been written. What I did say is that I would not vote for him nor would I, and gave some examples to support my views. If he gets in its called democracy.

Enjoy your posts by the way, is called debate.

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