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Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 14, 2008, 10:24:03 AM
Just for starters...

"Above all else, we must believe in the independence, competence, ability and integrity of Jersey’s Crown Officers and especially the Attorney General and his department.  It would be very easy now to turn inwards and attack all our institutions. That is not the correct thing to do, nor is it the Jersey way."  -  Deputy Sean Power  06/03/2008

Ahhh.  The 'Jersey Way' 
This will be the way that the Chief Minister gets elected by secret ballot despite coming last in the public elections?
The way that the head of the judiciary, the Bailiff sits unelected in the states and exersizes power over those who are elected?
This will be the way, the current Health Minister tries to slate the HdeLeG investigation by insulting Lenny Harper.
This will be the way that our politicians complain that “I didn’t know the microphones were still on” or “It was an internal email”, as if the content and implication was unimportant?
This will be the way, our politician’s state “not on our watch”, “before I became a states member”, “the previous committee(s).
This will be the way, our politician’s start conferences in front of the international press with chair wrestling!
This will be the same competence, ability and integrity of Jersey’s Crown Officers and especially the Attorney General and his department successfully applied to the Royal Court for a known paedophile to be sworn in as an honorary police officer and who did nothing about this when it was brought to their attention?

Conflict of interests, incompetence - The Jersey Way

How dare he tell us what we MUST do?


Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Jason the Maverick on September 14, 2008, 10:35:11 AM
But I thought the idea of voting in a Chief Minister is the fact that it is those in the States that have to work with this person?

As for HdlG, I support Ben Shenton and Sean Power on this.  I think the release to the media about a dead child was one of the biggest police cock ups we have had in years.

For Lenny Harper to then get slaughtered in the National Press for witholding information for 6 weeks was another police cock up, and like I said he only has himself to blame.

When we eventually have a public enquiry into this and the truth is out I think the supporters of Harper will end up looking stupid to be honest.

I am pleased we do at least have some people in the States who will at least stick their necks out and ask questions about the facts of ongoing enquiry.  That is what they are there for.

Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: voiceforchildren on September 14, 2008, 10:40:14 AM
But I thought the idea of voting in a Chief Minister is the fact that it is those in the States that have to work with this person?

As for HdlG, I support Ben Shenton and Sean Power on this.  I think the release to the media about a dead child was one of the biggest police cock ups we have had in years.

For Lenny Harper to then get slaughtered in the National Press for witholding information for 6 weeks was another police cock up, and like I said he only has himself to blame.

When we eventually have a public enquiry into this and the truth is out I think the supporters of Harper will end up looking stupid to be honest.

I am pleased we do at least have some people in the States who will at least stick their necks out and ask questions about the facts of ongoing enquiry.  That is what they are there for.



Mods. Could you please ask JTM to give Deputy Power a chance to answer somE questions. We are all aware of JTM's views. Can I suggest you start a thread for JTM? That way he can give all his views on there and give Deputy Power a chance on here
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Jason the Maverick on September 14, 2008, 10:45:57 AM
You are not even asking him a question just trying to have digs at him.
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 14, 2008, 10:59:57 AM
JTM.  It was you who asked  - "Can't you be a bit more specific as to why you do not support him?"  If you don't like my answer, don't ask the question.  If you don't like my reasons - tough.  I really don't care.

If you think that I am 'having a dig at him' because I don't like his support for 'the Jersey Way' than it says more about you than you understand.

I do not have to justify why I do not support him to you or anyone else.  I chose to present a quote from him as one of the reasons I would not support him.  You have clearly nailed your colours to the mast and seem to believe that all in the garden is rosy.  That's up to you. Equally, it's up to me if I have an alternative view. 

The purpose of my original post was to point out the obvious unfairness in the voting system whereby I am unable to affect the election prospects of an individual who I dislike.  You wanted to turn it into something more rather than answer my original question - Is it fair?
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Terminator 4 on September 14, 2008, 11:04:50 AM
Whats wrong with the Jersey Way?  We are independent aren't we  ???
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Al on September 14, 2008, 11:06:54 AM
Mods. Could you please ask JTM to give Deputy Power a chance to answer somE questions. We are all aware of JTM's views. Can I suggest you start a thread for JTM? That way he can give all his views on there...

That's a good idea!!! Curent statistics on this forum - total posts 11,333, posts by JTM 2,657. I may not work in finance, and struggle with arithmetic, but, roughly this works out that JTM's contributions account for a fifth of the postings here - that's a pretty big slice on a forum with 261 members. I'm interested in reading, and being involved with, an area for discussion in wich many people can share their views and opinions - I'm much less enthusistic about the JTM show.

Can I suggest you start a thread for JTM? That way he can give all his views on there and...
...we don't have to read it!
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Jason the Maverick on September 14, 2008, 11:09:11 AM
Thats because it was Adrian and I that started the blinking Forum back in Feb...... :-*
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 14, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
"Whats wrong with the Jersey Way? We are independent aren't we"  

Unfortunately, the 'Jersey Way' and 'independence' are not logically the same thing or indeed right.  

If the 'Jersey Way' is read to mean that we have some quaint customary foibles than I agree - what is wrong with it.

On the other hand, if the 'Jersey Way' is read to mean that we have some very fundamental flaws in the system where nepotism rules, then there is very much something wrong.

Both, you will note, have no bearing on our independance but are very different.

I guess it depends upon how you choose to read it.
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Terminator 4 on September 14, 2008, 11:22:59 AM
Nothing wrong with the Jersey way of doing things.  We have our own controls and legislation.  I can't see what the problem is.  Are you actually local?
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 14, 2008, 11:30:56 AM
There is nothing at all wrong with independance.  It is also good that we have our own control and legislation.  It is how that control and legislation is exersized and how transparently it is done which is important.

If you don't see anything wrong with how the executive operates then you are entitled to that rather rosy view point. 

I just happen to have a different one.
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Terminator 4 on September 14, 2008, 11:34:26 AM
So you would prefer us to be run by the EU then? 
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 14, 2008, 11:44:02 AM
Oh please Terminator, do try a little bit harder to read before you start typing.   ::)

"There is nothing at all wrong with independance.  It is also good that we have our own control and legislation."

Which part of that did you not (want to) understand?
Title: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Terminator 4 on September 14, 2008, 11:47:08 AM
That is why I do not have a problem with the Jersey way.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on September 14, 2008, 06:38:52 PM
Following on from this mornings truncated thread,.............

I believe there is not a huge amount wrong with the Jersey way of doing things. Yes, there are faults and there has been abuse. Yes, there has been limited miscarriage of justice. No justification for that. It happens everywhere, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, most everywhere. I cannot understand why it happened but it did.

Jersey is a fair place as far as I can see. Many people want to live and move here. Those that struggle with poverty here are to be helped as much as is possible.  However, the appalling tenements of Liverpool, Limerick, Nicholson Park and the rest are banished to history, Thank God.

I believe in this Island and it's future. It will have to change the way it does business. The Great God of Finance will be replaced and I agree with Simon Crowcroft. Education, learning and 3rd level research can do that.

Jersey could become a centre of educational research and development quickly. We have some of the biggest tides in the world and the world is crying out for renewable energy. Jersey can take it's place  in the world to do this. We can generate 10 times the energy we consume. I have seen the figures. Jersey could be a net exporter of up to 400megawatts of energy. The technology is not quite there yet. It is not far away. Give research a chance.

Give JCG or St.Saviours Hospital over to academic work. Donate the buildings on a low lease. Give academia a chance to just start here.

Let's invite  Canadian, UK, French, US, Austrian, German, Polish, Irish, Portugese, Australian, New Zealand, South African Universities a chance to research here.  We can only benefit and keep some of out great buildings intact and used.

In Limerick, my home city, it did not have a centre of learning until 1972.That university started then and now, in 2008, there are about 35,000 students there for four years]. That employs about 12,000 people from professors to cleaners. That could be a model for Jersey. Replace part of the finance industry with education. We are perfectly placed. However, there is no political will to take a risk. I would.

Sean
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: jez strickland on September 14, 2008, 07:51:02 PM
Sean wrote:

"I cannot understand why it happened but it did."

To which are you referring? Abuse, or miscarriage of justice?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on September 14, 2008, 09:21:06 PM
As abuse occured, I want to know as to why it had to happen the way it did. If there has been a miscarriage of justice in Jersey, then I will want to have a complete independent investigation. Some of the perpretrators are dead, some ar alive. An account of what happened at HDLG, and other places must be written about and made available.  However, sensationalising it will have diminishing returns.

Whatever happened has to be evidence based. I hope the perpetrators of these evil crimes against children and dependent vulnerable persons are revealed and punished.

I have a .......

Sean

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: rico sorda on September 14, 2008, 09:43:14 PM
MR.POWER..

You say if there has been a miscariage of justice you will want a complete inderpendant investigaton...

Well you say you know abuse went on, and this is not just about haut garenne its also about blanche pierre and greenfields we must remember that...

How do you stand on the bailiffs liberation day speach..
Im sure you read senator syvret's blog,whats your take on the info he has put up..
What is your opinion on the A.G and the mcguire case..
I could go on but i think you know what i mean,we are in desperate need of investigative journalism...

is syvret's blog full of rubbish if not its time for action by you and your fellow members..

rs
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: soon on September 14, 2008, 10:22:48 PM
Deputy Power,

Do you think that the secrecy shrouding the activities of WEB is compatible with open democracy?

Do you agree that the shareholders of WEB are the people of Jersey? If so, who is acting in their interests?

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 15, 2008, 08:52:04 AM
Mr Power,

Do you think it is a fair system that allows your vote to affect my life but I can't cast my vote to affect yours simply because of geography?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Terminator 4 on September 15, 2008, 08:56:14 AM
You could say the same for people you don't vote for that get in.  Its a bit of a strange question Res Nullius.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 15, 2008, 09:28:59 AM
Do you really think it's a strange question Terminator?  Is that your understanding of politics?

Look, if I vote for someone who doesn't get in at least I have had the chance to affect the election of the individual. 

As it stands, he could be voted in in his own district when theoretically the remainder of the entire population are against him.  He still has a vote in the house on things which would affect all our lives despite the vast majorityin the island being firmly against him.  I did say this was theoretical - just so you understand that point.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: soon on September 15, 2008, 10:03:30 AM
Talking about voting fairness, consider this fact from the tied vote on the removal of GST on food. For - Constable of St Helier representing 30% of the population - 1 vote. Against Constables representing 70% of the population - 2.3 votes. Well actually, no. In fact 11 votes.

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Terminator 4 on September 15, 2008, 12:29:18 PM
Do you really think it's a strange question Terminator?  Is that your understanding of politics?

Look, if I vote for someone who doesn't get in at least I have had the chance to affect the election of the individual. 

As it stands, he could be voted in in his own district when theoretically the remainder of the entire population are against him.  He still has a vote in the house on things which would affect all our lives despite the vast majorityin the island being firmly against him.  I did say this was theoretical - just so you understand that point.

Well put it like this, I didn't vote last time for any of the Senators in current power but what can you do about it?  I dont think its right that Shona Pitman can live outside of St Helier yet go for a deputies job within it and then have a say in the running of Island.  Your question is silly.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 15, 2008, 02:39:18 PM
So Term, let me get this straight, you think my question asking whether the electoral system is fair is "silly", yet in your response you assert that the electoral system re Shona Pitman is "not right".

You have pretty much answered my silly question then.

Thanks Term.  Getting the gist of this now.   :D

Re the Senators, of course you can't do anything about those in power but (and this is the crux of my question) at least you were able to exersise your democratic right to vote for them or against them. 

With Deputies and Constables you do not have a right to vote for or against them unless they live in your district or parish respectivley.

The question was related to electoral reform.  Calling it 'strange' or 'silly' is a bit odd quite frankly, after all Sir Cecil Clothier looked into just that - was he being just being silly?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Terminator 4 on September 15, 2008, 05:45:47 PM
Okay I take it back, but what you are arguing effects every voter around the Island and is a general question for all candidates.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 15, 2008, 06:40:03 PM
Of course it is.  However, Mr Power just happened to be here which is why I asked him.  I do ask them all when I can!

(apology accepted by the way ;))
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on September 16, 2008, 07:18:37 AM
Hi,

Jeez, this blogs thing moves fast. 

Specific answer to Res Nullius: Though you would never vote for me if you could and that my decisions to vote in the States applies to and effects you, that applies to all of us.  Members vote to introduce projets (GST) that I could never agree with.  I have already siad that what has happened in Jersey vis-a-vis historic child abuse needs to be thoroughly investigated and my understanding is that is ongoing. It should never have happened in all the different places but it did. 

Specific answer to Rico Sorda:  Much as Senator Syvret has the right to express himself inside and outside the Chamber and on his blog, I believe the Bailiff has also the right to say what he feels when he feels it appropriate to do so.  I have no information of the work of the AG and any investigation, other than what has been stated by his office. I believe that you can say what you like in Jersey about most things and that is good. However, if you stray into the areas of libel, then someone will react.

Specific answer to Soon:  I am still unhappy with the way WEB is being run. I do not like the secrecy becuase it is the public purse and public assets, specifically the land.  I am waiting for the new Due Diligence report to come out and as you know I got lambasted in certain quarters in June for asking questions.

OK, I will not be here everyday as I do not have the time.  However, thank you all for your reasonableness and questions . In my line of work, I take a sharp breath now coming on here.

Sean
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 16, 2008, 09:44:47 AM
Sean, it seems that you missed the point of my question.  I know it applies to all of us. I am not that stupid.

My questions relate to electoral reform.

Do you think it is a fair system that "it applies to all of us"?
Do you think it might be fairer for constables and deputies to have an island-wide mandate if their vote in chambers effects everyone in the island?

I am fully aware that in the UK voters also only vote within geographically defined limits BUT in the UK you are voting for a party's policies rather than a personality who can (and often does) swap horses after the election.  That would not happen in the UK as the candidate would be booted out of the party and a replacement found who will stand for the party policies which were voted for. 

Over here you can change your policies, ideas and allegiences at will once elected and so hustings 'promises' and manifesto's  are essentially hollow.

Hence my questions on electoral reform.

Given my questions above, perhaps you might have a few ideas of your own which you believe might usefully make the system better.  Not that it makes any difference to me because I can't vote for you even if I agreed!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: rico sorda on September 16, 2008, 06:06:28 PM
MR POWER...

Thanks for the reply....rs
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Jersey Spud on September 17, 2008, 09:14:19 AM
I am fully aware that in the UK voters also only vote within geographically defined limits BUT in the UK you are voting for a party's policies rather than a personality who can (and often does) swap horses after the election. 

The fact that there are parties does not stop independents running and receiving votes in the UK though? So isn't it still the same?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Res Nullius on September 17, 2008, 11:08:34 AM
Of course, but check how many of them actually get to wield any power.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on September 21, 2008, 08:38:49 PM
  The Jersey way of presenting States accounts has been a mess for year’s. Its a fog thats impossible to itemise. Ben Shenton has been a critic since he came to office. It is getting better. Generally Accepted Accounts Practise ( GAAP )has been creeping in but not fast enough according to Scrutiny in their Report on the 2007 States Accounts. Senator Le Suer got in last time with a slogan safe pair of hands, yes I know it's being used again.

Do those we trust to spend our money, namely Ministers for Treasury and Economics have a clue. Is Jersey as solvent as we are led to believe. Now that we are putting in place a proper accepted penny counting system, lets have a look at the latest no holds barred 2008 Scrutiny report on the States 2007 figures.

1.   Despite this, the Committee was disappointed to learn that the Treasurer was unable to tell the Committee what the effect of changing to GAAP would be on the States’ Accounts. 

Mr. M. Magee: [Scrutiny]

G.A.A.P. accounting …… sounds really boring and it is technical accounting.  I think my main query is do you have a feel for the scale of the adjustments?  Because even though they might not be fully considered, it would be interesting to know that obviously the whole shape of the accounts is likely to change and, following on from what you said last year, you want to set up the departmental budgets to be in a similar format so that you do not get all this reconciliation hassle that you have.
 So you could at the end of the day have something that is a massive surplus or a massive deficit  compared to what you have at the moment.  You know, where does that place you in terms of fiscal policy?  Because if you have a big hole does that mean you increase taxes; if you have a big surplus, do you reconsider what you have in place for 20 means 20, et cetera?  To me there is a big picture here about G.A.A.P. accounting, not just “let us get this in a different shape”.

Mr. I. Black:  [treasurer of the States]

We do not know what the figures are going to produce, but obviously capital is a big one, the depreciation charge is the big one.  …..  It will probably turn current surpluses into deficits.  How we deal with that we are only just starting to think about.  I really ... you know, the idea of this is to give information to informed decision-making.  You are asking me what decisions you will take.  I think we need to know the challenges before we start thinking about what to do with them.

Mr. M. Magee:

I guess it is comforting to know that you are considering that because you understand the consequences ...

Mr. I. Black:

We have given it some thought already but we do not have any answers.

A safe pair of hands for you, lets hope they don't play cricket.

Boatyboy
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on September 24, 2008, 05:36:21 PM
Hi again,

Res Nullius asks me about how fair the system is.  You have raised the point that you cannot have a say in my election and I can make a decision that effects you. At the moment, I stand on a Parish mandate. Yet, once elected, I am one vote in 53 on any manner of issues that effect you and Joe Public in any part of the Island.

I see your point but don't accept it. Tony Blair was an MP for a small constituency in the NE of England, yet he made huge decisions effecting the UK.

My own preference would be a two tier system, whereby I could stand as a Deputy in St. Brelade, but if I wanted an Island mandate, my name should be allowed to go forward in the other 11 Parishes. Yet, my base would be a St. Brelade Deputy.  I would then remain a Parish Deputy with an Island wide mandate, should I choose to do so.

That would be an alternative to the current Island wide Senator mandate and the Parish system of Constables and Deputies.  Guernsey have proven that their simplified election process works and that a Guernsey Deputy can be a Minister.

However, for that to happen in Jersey soon might be wishful thinking. After all the debates we had on electoral reform, I dread thinking about another batch of electoral navel gazing and days more discussing ourselves.

Sean

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: The Rev Peter Sarkey on October 03, 2008, 11:16:50 AM
I thought your home city was St Helier?? :o
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on October 03, 2008, 05:39:47 PM
Hi,

My home is St. Brelade. I have use of a small office in St. Helier No. 3/4. 

I want to make a generic comment on child abuse, and my own experience. 

I went to school by and large with the Christian Brothers. My first school was a small 4-8 year old school in the city centre.

I was born in 1955. My father was a baker in Limerick city centre and we lived in the City Centre. This was inner city in 1959/60. It  was run by Limerick Corporation. It was not as bad as Frank Mc Court said in Angela's Ashes. However, the school was a horrible old building with open coal fires in the winter , lots of smoke and I remember the smell of wet and damp clothes, poor ventilation, steamed up windows and LICE in everyone's hair.

I was fine combed every night by my mother coming home.   By and all, my schooling was a happy experience and I was never beaten. We were poor but those school days were happy. I had what I needed. I could not have what I wanted.

I moved to a much larger school in Limerick run by the Christian Brothers.  Corporal punishment was the norm.  I was beaten many times by teachers and was afraid to tell my parents. I probably deserved one or two as I was a questionner.  I was, on rare occasions  beaten, strapped and "knuckle ruled many times".  That was normal in those days. When I go back to that gaunt old building now when I re-visit Limerick, I simply say those days are gone.

Secondary school was different. This was 1967 to 1972. It was by and large incident free. I had one geography teacher, Mr. X, who used to enjoy a few pints after a hard day at the classroom. He used to drive an old VW. One night, he drove through a set of red lights on the Ennis Road and whacked a school mate of mine with his car. Mr. X out out, picked up my friend, gave him another clout for walking through a red light. My friend had a broken elbow and a bruising. Mr X was never replaced or disciplined or dismissed. He was there for years afterwards/.

I had one experience with an adult molester. He was a not a teacher. I loved the river Shannon ( still do) and used to hang out there when I was a young lad, talk to the local fisherman, and so on.

This guy on a bike was always hovering.  He asked to meet me one time to meet him down by the bank of the Shannon river to see and understand the tides. He only asked me. I was probably 14.

 I turned up on my own. When I met him, it was on the quayside of the river in the city centre. He then suggested we move back and see the river from a higher perspective. This was an old "Grand House", long a local ruin, but a big site. As soon as we were out of site, he climbed up to the higher floors, I followed, he suddenly turned round, he hugged me and dropped me to the ground. I struggled and found a piece of stone/rock (thankfully) and hit him in the face. He let go and I ran.

That was the end of that. However, I was attacked and I used what force I had to. The guy hovered near the quay for a few days more and then disappeared.

Here is my point. I doubt any of this did me any harm. Maybe I am not qualified to judge. This has been my experience.

Sean
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: isobel on October 03, 2008, 08:17:08 PM
Sean,    I found your article a little more than disturbing.        Fortunately for you I am not a Jersey Islander if I were you certainly would not be getting my vote.        To say you were beaten for asking questions was OK, surely not.    Do we not teach our children to ask questions and expect a reply not be beaten for having an enquiring mind.      To say you deserved a beating to me says an awful lot.

Your final remarks about a man trying to abuse you did you no harm.        Really, no harm at all, so as far as your concerned life events make you into the person you are.    Has it ever crossed your mind who else this man went on to abuse, what their lives have been like, have they suffered.    Believe me if he tried to abuse you, even if unsuccessful he would have carried  on to abuse more children whose lives no doubt would of been affected badly.        I am sure there are many many abused children in Jersey who have suffered mental, physical and sexual abuse will be offended by your tale people who have seen their abusers on a regular basis, even now when they have confessed all those same abusers are not to this present date being held accountable for their wrong doings.        I feel very very sad for those people who are reading your story.    The abuse they suffered did them a lot of harm resulted in some taking their own lives.     Please think a little before you write.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Fritz on October 03, 2008, 08:36:28 PM
Think Sean is going for the sympathy vote here.

With all the HDLG publicity, he seems, in my opinion, to be saying something along the lines of:

"I was that Soldier,I understand the trauma, VOTE FOR ME!!"
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on October 03, 2008, 09:46:17 PM
Really !

Do you think I would post that for sympathy ? It was 45 years ago. It is history !  I have dalt with it.

Sean
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: newmac on October 03, 2008, 10:42:52 PM
I think if everyone is honest they can remember at least one teacher at there school who would hit pupils. I can certainly remember a couple at Les Quennevais and that was in the late 70's early 80's.

I'm not saying that it excuses what has happened at HDLG and other residential homes in the Island because it doesn't.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on October 03, 2008, 10:50:52 PM
Hi again,

If I say anything here, it will be analysed to the nth degree. I have said what I said happened to me. I have moved on.

I do not seek anyone's approval or disapproval.

Sean
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: isobel on October 03, 2008, 11:19:38 PM
So Sean "You have moved on"    will you help the abused in Jersey the same luxury in supporting the arrest and  charging of the named and shamed Abusers so that those who have lived through turmoil in their lives at least get back some of their self worth.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on October 03, 2008, 11:26:58 PM
Hi,

Yes I will and do, and am in contact with one man that was abused as a child. His perp was never charged.

Sean

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Paternoster on October 13, 2008, 08:08:14 PM
How many ENGLISH voters voted for Gordon Brown?  Do we want to copy this system.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Swompy on October 25, 2008, 12:47:03 PM
Sean,    I found your article a little more than disturbing.        Fortunately for you I am not a Jersey Islander if I were you certainly would not be getting my vote.        To say you were beaten for asking questions was OK, surely not.    Do we not teach our children to ask questions and expect a reply not be beaten for having an enquiring mind.      To say you deserved a beating to me says an awful lot.

Your final remarks about a man trying to abuse you did you no harm.        Really, no harm at all, so as far as your concerned life events make you into the person you are.    Has it ever crossed your mind who else this man went on to abuse, what their lives have been like, have they suffered.    Believe me if he tried to abuse you, even if unsuccessful he would have carried  on to abuse more children whose lives no doubt would of been affected badly.        I am sure there are many many abused children in Jersey who have suffered mental, physical and sexual abuse will be offended by your tale people who have seen their abusers on a regular basis, even now when they have confessed all those same abusers are not to this present date being held accountable for their wrong doings.        I feel very very sad for those people who are reading your story.    The abuse they suffered did them a lot of harm resulted in some taking their own lives.     Please think a little before you write.


I WAS that Soldier, In more ways that I am prepared to say publicly.
Mr. Sean,
I went to a Catholic school in Jersey and saw a fellow pupil try to strangle himself
beceuse of the thugs who were there to teach us, enjoying their power, I wonder whether my friend has been able to "Move on " as you put it, I think your story if, true may have a been a flash in the pan.

BTW I wouldn't vote for you now, I might have but not now.



Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: The Rev Peter Sarkey on October 25, 2008, 03:22:37 PM
Halleluja Swamp boy - ya seen the light!!!!!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on October 28, 2008, 09:34:31 PM
JEP back sports  page today

Two young surfers from Jersey took part in an annual competition of two hundred top competitors from throughout the whole of  the UK student programme. The competition was staged in Newquay.

The surfing competition was intense, and exacting, but Jerseys best, did exceedingly well  taking, first and second place positions.

You can't get much better than that.

BB
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: moot on October 28, 2008, 10:40:12 PM
JEP back sports  page today
Two young surfers from Jersey took part in an annual competition of two hundred top competitors from throughout the whole of  the UK student programme. The competition was staged in Newquay.
The surfing competition was intense, and exacting, but Jerseys best, did exceedingly well  taking, first and second place positions.
You can't get much better than that.
BB

They did our island proud and many adult islanders can learn from them
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Swompy on October 29, 2008, 08:27:31 AM
Mr.Sean Power gone on Holiday? or is he still cooling his fingers?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on November 05, 2008, 08:46:11 AM
Hi,

I have been busy the past two weeks. I am here for a while this morning.

Sean
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on November 05, 2008, 09:31:13 AM
Hi Sean

Good to see you back.

You were outspoken about Heritages waste of money in buying the boats called Dukws, are you going to ask the SE & C Minister how much the maintenance / running costs over the year. Heritage maintain it was the right move and then asked for an increase in their States Grant, apparently the two machines were designed for fresh water use.

It is almost £2 million worth from the public purse money after all. A lot has been written on here under Heritage so it would be good to find out. Finally is then anything in the view,  that Heritage have a bank account set aside with considerable funds to build a gallery ?

Thanks Boatyboy
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on November 05, 2008, 09:48:28 AM
Hi,

According to Caroline Labey, the States Assembly is NOT the place to ask questions about Jersey Heritage Trust or it's operational costs.  So, I will ask another question.  The West-Park debacle is the biggest cock-up of any States Department, even if JHT are supposed to be independent.

What a laugh !


Sean
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on November 05, 2008, 10:10:59 AM

Caroline Labey is on the board of JHT and therefore one would think should take some of the blame regarding JHT business plan regarding buying a failing business.

Regarding her telling States Members

the States Assembly is NOT the place to ask questions about Jersey Heritage Trust or it's operational costs.

Good for you Sean, Its the public purse States members are supposed to be guarding, trying to get a decent answer from a Quango, to use one of your sayings is probably like trying to pull Hens teeth.

In my opinion, if they are using the publics money ( just under £2 million ) its a public issue, ask all you want in the Assembly. Also about the gallery that very few seem to want but is trying to be organised through stealth.

What is Caroline Labey scared off ?

If Caroline is a peoples politician, come on planetjersey, she would be most welcome and could no doubt clear up a few misconceptions, Stuart, Sarah and your good self contribute to the debate.

Boatyboy










Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: jers on November 08, 2008, 03:19:05 PM
I'm not from Jersey, but have been impressed by what I have seen of the island.  I have sadly met influential people in Jersey who I feel have not been entirely honest and have lied to protect themselves, however on the whole I think you are very lucky to live in such a beautiful part of the world. 

What I think is particularly inspiring is Jersey's passion for supporting charities and your endeavours to really reach people.  I have never met a friendlier bunch.

Next Friday, at 7.30pm at Jersey Town Hall, an Emmerdale soap star, a famous explorer and a celebrity from Jersey will be talking about how we can do amazing things to inspire people by doing exciting challenges to raise money for charity at any age.  It doesn't have to be a sky dive or shaving your head, it can be anything.  Tickets are £5 and include refreshments.

If you are interested in coming along, please do and phone 01534 746114.  If you get through to voicemail, leave a message or email k.baigent@jerseymail.co.uk.  It promises to be a fabulous event.  Please get as many people to book their ticket (preferably asap to ensure you get a seat and are not standing).

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: jers on November 08, 2008, 03:32:16 PM
Re: last post

I forgot to say.  It is for the Anthony Nolan Trust the event.  I think I only mentioned leukaemia and forgot to mention the charity name!  The phone number and email are of the organisers.  They are a fab bunch who do a lot of amazing work, so giving them a ring or sending them an email to come to the event would be fantastic.  As I said, it is only £5
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: moot on November 08, 2008, 03:48:20 PM
I'm not from Jersey, but have been impressed by what I have seen of the island.  I have sadly met influential people in Jersey who I feel have not been entirely honest and have lied to protect themselves, however on the whole I think you are very lucky to live in such a beautiful part of the world. 
What I think is particularly inspiring is Jersey's passion for supporting charities and your endeavours to really reach people.  .

Jerse, Thanks for taking the time to find this forum and give us your opinion about the island. I agree with all you said and yes, it always amazes me how passionate people are in supporting charities etc. For various reasons cancer incidence is higher here than in the UK and there aren't many people here who don't know anyone who has experienced it. The Anthony Nolan Trust supports a very worthy cause
And yes, politicians and their self interests are a problem which we hope to improve by using the democratic process of elections
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Pomme de terre on November 09, 2008, 03:31:18 AM
What I think is particularly inspiring is Jersey's passion for supporting charities and your endeavours to really reach people.  I have never met a friendlier bunch.

I agree completely. Like jers, I wasn't born here. Nevertheless, the incredibly charitable nature of people who live in Jersey never ceases to surprise me.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: tonytheprof on November 13, 2008, 02:58:47 PM
However, the appalling tenements of Liverpool, Limerick, Nicholson Park and the rest are banished to history, Thank God.

We have some of the biggest tides in the world and the world is crying out for renewable energy. Jersey can take it's place  in the world to do this. We can generate 10 times the energy we consume. I have seen the figures. Jersey could be a net exporter of up to 400megawatts of energy. The technology is not quite there yet. It is not far away. Give research a chance.

Give JCG or St.Saviours Hospital over to academic work. Donate the buildings on a low lease. Give academia a chance to just start here.

Let's invite  Canadian, UK, French, US, Austrian, German, Polish, Irish, Portugese, Australian, New Zealand, South African Universities a chance to research here.  We can only benefit and keep some of out great buildings intact and used.

In Limerick, my home city, it did not have a centre of learning until 1972.That university started then and now, in 2008, there are about 35,000 students there for four years]. That employs about 12,000 people from professors to cleaners. That could be a model for Jersey. Replace part of the finance industry with education. We are perfectly placed. However, there is no political will to take a risk. I would.

Sean

Le Geyt Flats are still pretty crummy; I was dropping off a "get well" card to someone there earlier. Ann Street flats are not that nice; the smell of stale urine in some stairwells in 2005, when delivering leaflets. But the worst conditions are those of private landlords where there is often damp, mould, cramped conditions, especially for non-residentially qualified. See Msgr Nicholas France of St Thomas, or Paul Brooks of St Pauls, who have been round these places.

Like the idea of St Saviours for academic work; marvellous grounds, and reservoir walks nearby.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: I.N.Exile on November 13, 2008, 03:36:40 PM


Next Friday, at 7.30pm at Jersey Town Hall, an Emmerdale soap star, a famous explorer and a celebrity from Jersey will be talking about how we can do amazing things to inspire people by doing exciting challenges to raise money for charity at any age. 

Has Blashford-Snell been in Emmerdale as well!?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Razzard on November 13, 2008, 04:00:15 PM
Hi,

According to Caroline Labey, the States Assembly is NOT the place to ask questions about Jersey Heritage Trust or it's operational costs.  So, I will ask another question.  The West-Park debacle is the biggest cock-up of any States Department, even if JHT are supposed to be independent.

What a laugh !


Sean

Sean,

Carolyn Labey sounds like she's acting in a very high handed manner if she's insisting you can't ask questions about Jersey Heritage (who receive at least £1.5m of our taxes by means of subsidy). It sounds more like something Freddy Cohen might say if pressed.

As she is an Assistant Minister do you think she's got a little 'power crazy' (if you'll excuse the pun)?


Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Sean Power on November 13, 2008, 05:13:02 PM

Hi,

I have put yet another question down for ESC on JHT for the 2nd December. It remains to be seen if they duck, or is that Dukw (excuse the pun) and answer the question.

As to my views on the lovely Deputy of Grouville........I could not possible comment !

I wait with baited breath to see how they answer this one.

Sean
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on November 25, 2008, 09:34:04 PM

I like boats,and that type of thing not particularly attracted to buildings.

This evening I drove past the weighbridge.What a terrific sight after a hard day.

The Royal Yacht Hotel, looks to my eyes truly stunning, lit up with blue xmas trees on every balcony.

Its so good to see something well designed and pleasing to the eye and then illuminated fantastically.

BB
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on April 18, 2009, 10:50:33 AM
Ian Tomlinson, 47, was struck and pushed over by a police officer during G20 protests on 1 April in the City.
Now a fresh post-mortem examination has found he died of abdominal bleeding, not a heart attack, as first thought.

Lawyers for the family said the new post-mortem test raised the likelihood of a manslaughter charge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8004222.stm

The news comes after prosecutors announced on Thursday that neither Home Office whistleblower Christopher Galley nor Mr Green would face charges over the affair.

Mr Green said yesterday that his arrest and the raids on his Commons office and homes smacked of a "police state".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5174991/Damian-Green-raid-police-search-emails-for-Liberty-head.html

JACQUI Smith, the Home Secretary, has been urged to give a statement to MPs on the arrest of a senior Tory MP – or face accusations she is "running scared".

The ultimatum was issued by Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, who said she owed parliament an explanation about the detention of Damian Green, the shadow immigration minister, last November and the £5 million subsequent investigation.

This week, the Crown Prosecution Service decided Mr Green would not face any charges over receiving leaks from Home Office official Christopher Galley.

Mr Grayling said the past few weeks had been a "chapter of chaos" in the Home Office.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Jacqui-Smith-accused-of-39running.5182761.jp

This item is about the three episodes above all being connected. Stand back and notice the good thread that runs through them. If you haven't spotted it yet, its called searching  for the real truth. I offer this for debate.


A good honest politician will know what we all know, that a correct check and balance structure is invaluable but there must be a conscienceless to require the truth to be paramount regardless of the outcome.  I am not approaching religious, or philosophical  truths which are always up for debate, just the everyday type that gives society backbone and structure.

The articles above are good examples, who ordered another post-mortem? Adding to the police force problems, it was obviously not the demonstrators. In the next example, The Crown Prosecution Service decided (not one person as in Jersey ) but a collective, that the highest of the high, home secretary Jacqui Smith had questions to answer over the police raid, which was wrong( no case to answer). The police were just following orders, the wrong orders it seems.

I like the truth hunters who ever they are
, that instigated the actions above. It makes me feel good that a newspaper sellers death, has not been whitewashed, it makes me feel good that Jacqui Smiths raid on an opposition MP has been condemned with no charges to be brought against the MP or whistle blower.

How does Jersey hunt for the truth ? or is it only a handfull of good people that are out numbered that care in this money rich island. Are the correct checks in place, or is invested interest calling the shots ? I have some ideas but they are still forming. 

Boatyboy.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: newmac on April 18, 2009, 12:35:30 PM
We had a lawyer ;D  You are so full of shit, you constantly go on about the collective WE, So to use your favorite term cut the bullshit and offer some proof, who is the we? if you won't answer it'll prove what the magority believe you are full of it. very sad really.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: newmac on April 18, 2009, 12:44:11 PM
When will you get it through your obviously thick skull I am not a follower of Stuart or anyone. I agree with a lot of what he stands for but I also disagree with a lot, same as with most politicians. you've got to look at each and every situation with open eyes.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: newmac on April 18, 2009, 12:56:28 PM
It's a open forum if you want to have a private discussion use the pm facility simple really.

May be it's time for admin or the owner of this forum to tell the members if this forum is about you or open to everyone with views on the Island.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Linda Corby on April 18, 2009, 01:45:32 PM
It's a open forum if you want to have a private discussion use the pm facility simple really.

May be it's time for admin or the owner of this forum to tell the members if this forum is about you or open to everyone with views on the Island.

Well said newmac.  Thanks for the back up although I am not sure what it is you are meant to have backed me up on on this thread? I haven't actually posted any comments on this thread, nor has anyone challenged me on anything on this thread, don't know what debumblebee  is referring to on this thread and cannot find anything anywhere in the thread about whatever debumblebee  is on about.

I won't be bothering to reply to anything debumblebee  says in future, publically or privately, I don't need to prove anything to anyone, as Winston Churchill said quote: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. End Quote.  This to my mind fits debumblebee  perfectly.

My views on the Jersey Way are already well know by most of the posters on this forum, and I am actually just happily reading what everyone else has to say on the subject.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Linda Corby on April 18, 2009, 02:09:36 PM
Hi,

I have put yet another question down for ESC on JHT for the 2nd December. It remains to be seen if they duck, or is that Dukw (excuse the pun) and answer the question.

As to my views on the lovely Deputy of Grouville........I could not possible comment !

I wait with baited breath to see how they answer this one.

Sean

Interesting Sean.

I haven't asked you a question on 'The Jersey Way' but I would like your opinion on 'The Jersey Way' with reference to planning.

Here are a couple of links to get you started (no they are not mine!)

[blog links removed - as per forum rules]

I have got a blog entry about this subject of my own if you want the link please email me privately for it.

I feel that too many people have been turned down by planning on a lot of things that they should not have been, it is my personal view that planning the Jersey way is planning by personality.

Due to this I can see that there are a lot of people living in Housing properties who could be living on their own land in their own properties right now, which of course would make space in housing stock for others who need it.

Over to you!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on April 18, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
I think this is complete different kettle of fish though.  The G20 brutality of the police has raised some serious questions about certain police officers and they have been emphasising on the news that the whole Met should not be tainted with the same brush by the actions of a couple of officers.

We had a lawyer BB that went through SSS's leaked police report on the so called Fred West working at the hospital.  From a legal opinion there was actually very little in it believe it or not.  Circumstantial evidence and the green light to act upon must have been very difficult for the AG office at the time, and that was his legal opinion.

He was therefore surprised that this report was obtained or even used by a Senator who had no right to access such information in the first place.  I am assuming the Police are anxious to find out his source.



Debee

You really are saturated with SSS paranoia, and the SSS supporters club. I like a lot about Stuart Syvret deep rooted sense of purpose. I also think he has problems. This post is actually nothing to do with any of that or Time4change not even Tadier.

The post I have offered up for debate is actually about the fact than a person or committee ( very high up in Gov. or society UK ) is only interested in getting to the raw truth. In doing so has wrong footed ministers and powerful civil organisations. That is what the post is about.

There are many people who understood the idea behind this item offered for debate.
 
How does Jerseys' way of doing businesses compare ? do we trust those empowered to offer truth and fairness. If so why does Jersey feel so unbalanced and why do people feel so frustrated and angry ?

I have two examples in my head which concern me, but I leave it with you all  for now.

As writing this I have noticed Linda Corby's post, is this part of the problem, is planning a who you know committee ? If this is the case and its proved then its corrupt, are checks and balances in place ?

Above or hit link.

http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1089.msg30282#msg30282

Boatyboy.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Linda Corby on April 18, 2009, 03:28:56 PM

Debee

You really are saturated with SSS paranoia, and the SSS supporters club. I like a lot about Stuart Syvret deep rooted sense of purpose. I also think he has problems. This post is actually nothing to do with any of that or Time4change not even Tadier.

The post I have offered up for debate is actually about the fact than a person or committee ( very high up in Gov. or society UK ) is only interested in getting to the raw truth. In doing so has wrong footed ministers and powerful civil organisations. That is what the post is about.

There are many people who understood the idea behind this item offered for debate.
 
How does Jerseys' way of doing businesses compare ? do we trust those empowered to offer truth and fairness. If so why does Jersey feel so unbalanced and why do people feel so frustrated and angry ?

I have two examples in my head which concern me, but I leave it with you all  for now.

As writing this I have noticed Linda Corby's post, is this part of the problem, is planning a who you know committee ? If this is the case and its proved then its corrupt, are checks and balances in place ?

Above or hit link.

http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1089.msg30282#msg30282

Boatyboy.

Boatyboy,

Just check out the links on my previous post, and if you can think back to the field 2007 ref Dave Manning & John Le Sueur saga you will see that this has been going on for years! Jersey people are being squeezed out of their own island because of it.  It just makes me so  >:(
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: White Knight on April 20, 2009, 09:35:48 PM
Well Linda let us look at FW and what he did for his friend on the dumping of gound saga when he put pressure on the planning committee. The Jersey Way? It is who you know not what you know. Every islander knows that. Parish Hall enquire? If you happen to know the CO on duty that night you will get off very lightly or all together. I have first hand experience of it, i can say it came down on my side because i knew the CO. Wrong, yes but who will not take it only a fool. There is 3 classes over here. The high, the middle and the low. The high run this island, the money men, the ones born with a silver spoon in their mouth and huge properties. Veron Thomes was a self made man but was not the right kind of man to have as Bailiff, get him out. They did didn't they, the Jersey Way. Exhead master of Victoria College ( child abuse ) he is now a Jurat. Must not give the Victoria College a bad name. Take note JEP when ever a Vic pupil passed or present does something in i.e. sport, it always says V.C. pupil or old boy Anyother child that does something it gets a little bit in the press. They are taught that they are the cream of this island and shall be the ones to run it when they are old enough, we will groom you!!!!!!!    YES THAT IS THE JERSEY WAY. Linda. God help us.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on July 02, 2009, 08:40:43 PM
The headmaster is no longer in charge of the school, For debate !



Sorry felt this should be removed on reflection as it is not factual.

Boatyboy.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: ole razzy on July 02, 2009, 10:12:54 PM
Exhead master of Victoria College ( child abuse ) he is now a Jurat. Must not give the Victoria College a bad name. Take note JEP when ever a Vic pupil passed or present does something in i.e. sport, it always says V.C. pupil or old boy Anyother child that does something it gets a little bit in the press. They are taught that they are the cream of this island and shall be the ones to run it when they are old enough, we will groom you!!!!!!!    YES THAT IS THE JERSEY WAY. Linda. God help us.

You've written some cobblers old boy but this really takes the biscuit.

My very working class parents spent every penny they earned on sending me to be to privately educated at Victoria College. Never, ever, in the 13 years that I attended the preparatory or secondary schools did I ever hear anybody from either the teaching staff or pupils say that we were 'the cream' of the Island. And even if anyone did say it they would be very quickly shot down in flames and ridiculed. But I do remember being asked to raise lots of money for local charities, giving up my weekends to get involved with environmental projects, spending plenty of Friday afternoons helping special needs kids from St. Saviours and generally becoming more aware of the need to find your place in a society that cares for others.

You see for every asshole teacher that was only interested in results there were lots of other's who wanted to help students mature into rounded and balanced individuals.   Peter Gem, JF Le Quense, Robert Tilling, the list goes on.

And some twenty years later when I look back over the lives of the people I became friendly with at school I am pleased to say that very few still live in Jersey and they have moved on to become among other things highly succesful doctors, music producers, artists, designer's, engineers, architects, photographers and even vets. Being reasonably well educated does not make you into some sort of grasping rapid political control freak. My guess would be that those tendencies are nutured much nearer to home in the formative years. Did it ever cross your mind why people seek the praise of others through public life?

So give it a rest with your schlock old boy. Up to now I've held off calling you W'ker.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Mark Forskitt on July 02, 2009, 11:00:04 PM

You see for every asshole teacher that was only interested in results there were lots of other's who wanted to help students mature into rounded and balanced individuals.   Peter Gem, JF Le Quense, Robert Tilling, the list goes on.


Peter Gem , Ed Le Quesne , Robert Tilling.  Sounds like an execellent start to an alternative Council of Ministers. At the very  least the debate would be lively, imaginative, rational and compassionate.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Dylan on July 02, 2009, 11:37:17 PM
Peter Gem , Ed Le Quesne , Robert Tilling.  Sounds like an execellent start to an alternative Council of Ministers. At the very  least the debate would be lively, imaginative, rational and compassionate.

Debate from the utterly and frenetically fabulous Bob  "do I know you? give me a name oh I'm sorry I can't remember!" Tilling. I should coco!

Dr Forsker, Bob it hot property in the Art world but, I do believe he woud need prompting more than lineless actors in most school plays, if ever he were released into a debating Forum!! As for rationality? "It's all in the picture dear boy"!!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: debumblebee on July 27, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
The Jersey Way is an urban myth. What amazes me as that people still think Jersey is solely responsible for historic child cause and cover up which it is but the Irish religious sector had to recently apologise for thousands of cases. I think Jersey may have its differences being an Island but it is not a million miles away from anywhere else. Right the sun is out and I am going for a crab salad.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Calimachon on July 27, 2009, 06:22:15 PM
You've written some cobblers old boy but this really takes the biscuit.

My very working class parents spent every penny they earned on sending me to be to privately educated at Victoria College. Never, ever, in the 13 years that I attended the preparatory or secondary schools did I ever hear anybody from either the teaching staff or pupils say that we were 'the cream' of the Island. And even if anyone did say it they would be very quickly shot down in flames and ridiculed. But I do remember being asked to raise lots of money for local charities, giving up my weekends to get involved with environmental projects, spending plenty of Friday afternoons helping special needs kids from St. Saviours and generally becoming more aware of the need to find your place in a society that cares for others.

You see for every asshole teacher that was only interested in results there were lots of other's who wanted to help students mature into rounded and balanced individuals.   Peter Gem, JF Le Quense, Robert Tilling, the list goes on.

And some twenty years later when I look back over the lives of the people I became friendly with at school I am pleased to say that very few still live in Jersey and they have moved on to become among other things highly succesful doctors, music producers, artists, designer's, engineers, architects, photographers and even vets. Being reasonably well educated does not make you into some sort of grasping rapid political control freak. My guess would be that those tendencies are nutured much nearer to home in the formative years. Did it ever cross your mind why people seek the praise of others through public life?

So give it a rest with your schlock old boy. Up to now I've held off calling you W'ker.

I must have missed this post first time around:

Sadly there is one big story to be told about VC and I am one who is waiting for it to all come out.  Yes there are a lot of people who sent their children, at great expense, to gain a good education there and they need to know what went wrong and why it went wrong about the time that the then headmaster was very ill with the big 'C'.

Cali
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Norman_Point on July 27, 2009, 08:02:03 PM
Quote
What amazes me as that people still think Jersey is solely responsible for historic child cause and cover up

So who is or was responsible for the historic child abuse and cover up in Jersey?  The pixies?  The man in the moon?  Specially imported consultants on 5-year contracts?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: ole razzy on July 27, 2009, 08:15:45 PM
I must have missed this post first time around:

Sadly there is one big story to be told about VC and I am one who is waiting for it to all come out.  Yes there are a lot of people who sent their children, at great expense, to gain a good education there and they need to know what went wrong and why it went wrong about the time that the then headmaster was very ill with the big 'C'.

Cali

You can't dangle the carrot like that and not expect somebody to ask you to elaborate Cali. I might be wrong bjut I seem to recall Martyn Devenport died of a brain trumour. This was also about the same time when Jervis Dykes was still teaching at the school.  Is there something else we should know? Go on dare ya!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Calimachon on July 27, 2009, 08:35:19 PM
You can't dangle the carrot like that and not expect somebody to ask you to elaborate Cali. I might be wrong bjut I seem to recall Martyn Devenport died of a brain trumour. This was also about the same time when Jervis Dykes was still teaching at the school.  Is there something else we should know? Go on dare ya!

With respect! The carrot will just have to dangle!

As you know when in company (good upper echelon company - none of ya Grassett Park rabble - This is tongue in cheek I do not dislike Grassett Park People - understand) people talk and a lot of talk went on in a group I was in that suggested there was a lot more to be said about the general running of this establishment than met the eye at that time. 

I am in no way casting any doubts on the integrity of the headmaster concerned as he was extremely ill at the time and I am sure if he had been fit and still holding the reins we would not be having this conversation now.

It was not necessarily about any historic child abuse (as I would hope that was cleared up with the Court case and nothing covered up - Was there?) either it was an alleged general lack of discipline and teamwork, amongst other things.  If I knew more I would tell you but I am not the only person who would like to get down to the bottom of the problem that occurred during this period concerning:

alleged drug peddling and stealing,

after all teachers are or were regarded "In Loco Parentis" as I recall and if the allegation that this was going on was true where were the teachers.

Cali  ???




Cali
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: ole razzy on July 27, 2009, 08:55:22 PM
Your a big tease snail.

Drugs were always available to boys at Victoria College when I was there as they were to any other schoolchildren in Jersey. I dont think it was specifically a Victoria College issue. Believe me if it was going on in any kind or serious way I would have known about it. Mates sharing a spliff at lunchtime on the bottom path is one thing but organised dealing was not the norm.

Once you get into 6th form most people experiment - it would be odd if they didn't. My mate dropped some LSD the night before his Maths A level. He came into the exam completely off his rocker. At one point they had to stop the exam in the great hall because he thought a large lump of burning coal had been thrown through the window and landed on his desk. Interestingly he got a B which I think is a jolly good effort all things considered. He's now a music producer living in LA.

Don't know about stealing except being caught shoplifting some Luton Town wristbands from Graeme Le Maistre sports when I was about 12. That ended up in a parish hall inquiry and a slapped wrist. Lucky I was wearing my Spurs ones at the time!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Fritz on July 28, 2009, 02:51:46 AM
Spurs got more than their wrists slapped yesterday.

First Wembley Cup goes to scotch paddy reserves cos Spurs are shite.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Chevalier Blanc on July 28, 2009, 03:40:09 AM
"Teacher's Perks". Statement to police while being interviewed by them on shown certain photos and videos.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Durendal on July 28, 2009, 05:10:00 AM
"Teacher's Perks". Statement to police while being interviewed by them on shown certain photos and videos.

Isn't that a Teachers Pet?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Chevalier Blanc on July 28, 2009, 05:35:09 AM
No PERKS!!!!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Calimachon on July 28, 2009, 12:48:54 PM
It is alleged that one person, in front of an investigating police officer, was heard to say:

“teachers’ perks” upon being shown home-video footage of abuse taking place on a yacht."

Cali  :-[

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: imacrappaud on August 09, 2009, 12:19:50 AM
Isnt the Jersey way getting a job in the states and you are then sorted for life as long as you dont rock the boat. Once in there you then kiss ass until you receive a healthy pension having done sweet f a for the past 40 or less years of your life. I dont think its about getting away with illegal stuff all the time but more about doing f all so as not to rock the boat whilst your on it.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Mark Forskitt on August 09, 2009, 09:43:38 AM
Isnt the Jersey way getting a job in the states and you are then sorted for life as long as you dont rock the boat.

Who cares about rocking the boat when the darned thing is leaking like a sieve and likely to go down anyway?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: moot on August 09, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
Who cares about rocking the boat when the darned thing is leaking like a sieve and likely to do down anyway?

If no one ever rocked any boat life on the sea would be so boring - a stagnant mess made of status quo materials
The important thing though is to try to be constructive. Rock 'n Roll it, then steady it with better people in charge of it
Until some a punk comes along and rocks it in a different way again and so on
What we don't want is the boat being "spinned" out of control ( Ozouf take hint ! )

Have a nice day !
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Chevalier Blanc on September 09, 2009, 10:13:19 AM
I am posting on behalf of Moot he has asked me to ask PJ why he is suspended from posting he does not understand why as he has not post for sometime now. Please could you inform me why. Thank you on behalf of Moot.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Solomon on September 09, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
There is no apparent reason why Moot cannot post. His account is open and does not have any ban triggers set against it. I suggest that he sends an email to admin to check the password set against his account, moderators do not have this level of access.

Solomon
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Chevalier Blanc on September 09, 2009, 10:46:58 AM
Thank you Admin
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: ole razzy on September 09, 2009, 11:18:13 AM
Planet Jersey needs more hippy's.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on November 01, 2009, 03:12:19 PM
There are good politicians trying to serve Jersey and also good civil servants / public sector workers. It would be plain stupid to tar them all with the same inefficient, corrupt and  self egotistical brush.

What the facts tell us clearly, that over the last couple of years the management of Jersey and many of it public services have become a laughing stock, but not for the islanders who have to live with more Government demands  (stealth taxes ) lame excuses, and an outrageous increase in Government spending, in a time of certified recession.

This is a positive posting and  it would not be so, If I list the extensive list of  shameful episodes  the  present Government ( but not all in it ) have made. From the lies of Harcourt through to suspensions through to the hospital problems and many more. There are just to many, for any Government, let alone one that governs fourty five square miles and  a town sized population.

Change of culture is desperately needed. The hardest change of all. At least 7,000 people objected in an excellent and peaceful line in the sand protest I was there it was very worthwhile and this type of protest needs to grow.

I will be giving my support to the Royal Square protest on Monday between 10.30 and 12.00 at the swearing in of Mr Michael Bailhache. It will be a personal statement showing dissatisfaction with the poor running of this island. I am also minded as to why the Bailiffs chambers spends almost £1,000 pounds a week on expenses for entertaining and food ?

As Senator Phillip Ozouf states we are going into the red big time, ( no guesses as to who will have to pay )  why are the Government not making  serious cutbacks in their wasteful spending.

Boatyboy.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Dundee on November 01, 2009, 04:00:34 PM


I will be giving my support to the Royal Square protest on Monday between 10.30 and 12.00 at the swearing in of Mr Michael Bailhache. It will be a personal statement showing dissatisfaction with the poor running of this island. I am also minded as to why the Bailiffs chambers spends almost £1,000 pounds a week on expenses for entertaining and food ?


Boatyboy.

I hope it is nothing like the previous swearing in protest, a sad day if it is.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: rico sorda on November 01, 2009, 05:05:42 PM
I hope it is nothing like the previous swearing in protest, a sad day if it is.

And why was that dundee

rs
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Dundee on November 01, 2009, 05:55:27 PM
A few mindless individuals trying spoil an Island tradition.

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Bentos on November 01, 2009, 06:30:44 PM

"the lies of Harcourt"



substantiate please
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: moot on November 01, 2009, 09:52:06 PM
A few mindless individuals trying spoil an Island tradition.

Tradition is a "thing of the past"
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Dundee on November 02, 2009, 07:49:04 PM
15 hoodies and Mike Dunn not exactly rocking the establishment  ;D what next? hound Santa when he arrives at the airport?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: GeeGee on November 02, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
You calling me a hoodie Dundee - I'm mortified. I was supposed to be the Grim Reaper!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Chevalier Blanc on November 03, 2009, 06:32:38 PM
It did not matter how many voiced their concerns about the swearing in of Bailhache it would spoil his day and still keep the abuse history in the public domain.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: imacrappaud on November 03, 2009, 08:33:10 PM
I dudnt see you there rico
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on March 16, 2011, 11:54:31 PM
The Jersey Way is a lot of things but not making it easy to run a small or medium size business as politician after politician has promised.

Another small very successful venture is closing at the end of this month.

Eastcoast Music will be no longer in its present form. This of course is not all the fault of the States of Jersey pass the paper work on to the shopkeeper brigade, but they certainly do not help. Another business not putting money into the pot. Eastcoast closes at the end of the month and a few bargains are still to be had.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: man in the street on March 17, 2011, 01:02:42 AM
very sad to hear about this local business(and i mean local) going to the wall.
 been around along time.
so was it higher rents, gst, and a lack of footfall?
the lack of footfall, due to us all being squeezed one way or another.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on March 17, 2011, 03:55:11 AM
If my information is correct and I am pretty sure it is "man in the street " the business is closing because rewards are dropping for all the extra amount of work involved. There are no financial problems or anything like that, just a dull outlook for the future.

The problem Jersey and other jurisdictions is that Governments need to spend a lot of money. Government earnings have to be high enough to stop the country - island from going into dept.

The problems start when the Government starts closing down business through messing up the structure. For example the Finance sectors of Jerseys Government bend over backwards and listen closely to the requirements of the finance industry.

The UK Governments regulation of banks was abysmally soft and proved deadly. Business cares about the bottom line, the Government should care about the country's finances as a whole and regulate properly to stop spivs and gamblers wrecking the economy, all part of the right operating structure again.

Small and medium non finance businesses although incredibly useful providing jobs, taxes etc are not treated with the respect they are due, and are hindered greatly although sometimes by good intentions of the politicians who have no business experience and are frankly clueless.

Geoff Southern for instance wants to make all the low paid high pay. Give new Dads and Mums loads of time of for paternity leave and so it goes on, but then the real question is,how is all this going to be paid for? Look at the benefits problem today.  Sorry I digress.

So Government puts up the minimum wage, so businesses go cold on employing more people. They put up GST so the public spends less on goods but the Government gets a bigger cut so they are happy in the short term.

A difficult but solvable downward spiral that can be dealt with, with the right attitude and Government support.

Guernsey while also having problems seems to be taking a slower more stable approach. Tourism is thriving; the bus service is relatively good and inexpensive. They listened to the people and voted against an incinerator. Jersey though has £500 million in the strategic reserve. Jerseys spending is out of control, and the culture does not want to change, that is obvious by the money being paid in  wages to the public sector. I have rambled on enough, but Jersey is not the alive buzzing place we used to know, less restaurants, shops, pubs. A challenge for almost everyone is on the horizon.

BB
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Calimachon on March 17, 2011, 04:04:02 AM
BB said:

"A challenge for almost everyone is on the horizon".

Well said BB.

Only the resourceful will survive until better times come.  Time for households to run a siege economy.

Cali  :'(
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: man in the street on March 17, 2011, 10:18:52 PM
glad i can turn my hand to most jobs,  i am going along ok at the moment, and would sweep the roads if it meant food on the table.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Dylan on March 18, 2011, 02:54:57 PM
BB said:

"A challenge for almost everyone is on the horizon".

Well said BB.

Only the resourceful will survive until better times come.  Time for households to run a siege economy.

Cali  :'(

I think the challenge for everyone has been knocking at the front door for the last two years.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Calimachon on March 18, 2011, 09:11:09 PM
It is a shame that 'The Jersey Way' has come to mean 'sneaky', 'unsavory', 'underhand', immoral' and always 'looking at a case on its own merit' (which seems to mean we will decide on the hoof depending upon whether we like the look of you or not'.

I recall in my youth that 'The Jersey Way' used to stand for 'hospitable', generous, 'capable' and independant.  I believe it was from the late sixties that things began to detriorate.  What influence aided the decline?

Any thoughts?

There are lots of things one can do to keep the wolf from the door, so to speak.

I make wine, jam, chutneys, cakes and meals, rarely use processed meals; sew and mend clothes, knit, ( and I am even learning to spin a yarn :) ),  I grow veg and flowers.  Do my own home decor.

When I have worked out how much I have saved during the year I may treat the family to a holiday somewhere nice.  I was due to go to Japan in February and would have probably been there now.  Thank goodness my partner did not wish to go!  For once he was right!  :)

I had no idea that snails are affected by the Moon.  I heard this in a program on Radio Jersey this morning when they were talking about the moon being closer to the earth tonight/today. 

Cali :)



Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: rogueelement on March 18, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
If my information is correct and I am pretty sure it is "man in the street " the business is closing because rewards are dropping for all the extra amount of work involved. There are no financial problems or anything like that, just a dull outlook for the future.

The problem Jersey and other jurisdictions is that Governments need to spend a lot of money. Government earnings have to be high enough to stop the country - island from going into dept.

The problems start when the Government starts closing down business through messing up the structure. For example the Finance sectors of Jerseys Government bend over backwards and listen closely to the requirements of the finance industry.

The UK Governments regulation of banks was abysmally soft and proved deadly. Business cares about the bottom line, the Government should care about the country's finances as a whole and regulate properly to stop spivs and gamblers wrecking the economy, all part of the right operating structure again.

Small and medium non finance businesses although incredibly useful providing jobs, taxes etc are not treated with the respect they are due, and are hindered greatly although sometimes by good intentions of the politicians who have no business experience and are frankly clueless.

Geoff Southern for instance wants to make all the low paid high pay. Give new Dads and Mums loads of time of for paternity leave and so it goes on, but then the real question is,how is all this going to be paid for? Look at the benefits problem today.  Sorry I digress.

So Government puts up the minimum wage, so businesses go cold on employing more people. They put up GST so the public spends less on goods but the Government gets a bigger cut so they are happy in the short term.

A difficult but solvable downward spiral that can be dealt with, with the right attitude and Government support.

Guernsey while also having problems seems to be taking a slower more stable approach. Tourism is thriving; the bus service is relatively good and inexpensive. They listened to the people and voted against an incinerator. Jersey though has £500 million in the strategic reserve. Jerseys spending is out of control, and the culture does not want to change, that is obvious by the money being paid in  wages to the public sector. I have rambled on enough, but Jersey is not the alive buzzing place we used to know, less restaurants, shops, pubs. A challenge for almost everyone is on the horizon.

BB

Well I think this post is a perfect illustration of the Jersey Way..... If you do not know the facts....make them up!
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Malachi on March 19, 2011, 04:18:19 PM
And your post is another perfect illustration of the Jersey Way: no meaningful contribution to make, but that does not stop you from mouthing off

I wish this place had an ignore (http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2956.msg49641.html#msg49641) option
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on March 19, 2011, 06:45:06 PM

Malachi I agree with you well said,

Everyone has the right to disagree or to agree, but a couple of lines of criticism does not advance the debate. However is this a sign of laziness, shallowness or plain ignorance ?

At the end of the day we all have a choice and I am with you, just ignore.


BB
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Calimachon on March 20, 2011, 05:58:23 PM
And your post is another perfect illustration of the Jersey Way: no meaningful contribution to make, but that does not stop you from mouthing off

I wish this place had an ignore (http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2956.msg49641.html#msg49641) option

There is an option to put a person on Ignore within; PROFILE; MODIFY PROFILE; BUDDIES IGNORE!

Cali  ::)
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Mark Forskitt on March 21, 2011, 12:17:04 AM
It is a shame that 'The Jersey Way' has come to mean 'sneaky', 'unsavory', 'underhand', immoral' and always 'looking at a case on its own merit' (which seems to mean we will decide on the hoof depending upon whether we like the look of you or not'.

I recall in my youth that 'The Jersey Way' used to stand for 'hospitable', generous, 'capable' and independant.  I believe it was from the late sixties that things began to detriorate.  What influence aided the decline?

Any thoughts?

There are lots of things one can do to keep the wolf from the door, so to speak.

I make wine, jam, chutneys, cakes and meals, rarely use processed meals; sew and mend clothes, knit, ( and I am even learning to spin a yarn :) ),  I grow veg and flowers.  Do my own home decor.

When I have worked out how much I have saved during the year I may treat the family to a holiday somewhere nice.  I was due to go to Japan in February and would have probably been there now.  Thank goodness my partner did not wish to go!  For once he was right!  :)

I had no idea that snails are affected by the Moon.  I heard this in a program on Radio Jersey this morning when they were talking about the moon being closer to the earth tonight/today. 

Cali :)

Cali, you would probably feel very at home with this http://jit.org.je/ (http://jit.org.je/)
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Chevalier Blanc on March 21, 2011, 04:29:14 AM
The Jersey Way was being nice to everyone and what cannot be done today shall be done tomorrow.
Alas the English mind set came along and with if turned some local heads towards making a fast buck or two without thinking what you were doing to the Island. It just got worse and worse until the word got around that there was some fast money to be made in Jersey. The Island will never be the same again all it's innocent way of life has gone for good. Now it is all about me me me!
If only one could turn the clock back.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on April 12, 2011, 08:43:03 PM
Why do I put this stuff up ? for three reasons mainly.

The first because in a perfect world there would be complete transparency by Governments allowing far more trust by the population.

The fact is that it is a very special type of human being who does not put self and family interest first, and by extension financial reward before serving the population as witnessed by the disgraceful UK, and now Euro MP’s expense disaster.

As with most of us, I have been to meetings political and otherwise to hear some truly enlightening and individual responses by clever individuals that never see the light of day  by the ruling committee.

This waves the flag that the agenda that  those in power are supporting is either completely different to what is advertised and discussed, or closed minds are making wrong decisions on behalf of people they are supposed to represent. Either way the result is less than satisfactory.

I hate being ripped off with a vengeance, as most of us do and when I see millions of tax pounds blatantly wasted and the faces of those who put their grubby hands out for more money (GST). It makes me unhappy.

Finally the more information in the public domain, the more accountable the decision makers will become, and the more pressure will be put……………………… to get it right.

This wind turbine story encompasses massive spending, low efficiency and actually from what I have read ( and I am happy to be proved wrong ) Is a sad expensive and desperate way to waste taxpayers money when science and technology are improving equipment, saleable products, and systems at rate never seen before. Think of what a mobile phone is capable of compared to a mere five years ago.

More on the Wind turbine scam tomorrow.

BB
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: rogueelement on May 03, 2011, 09:54:34 PM
Why do I put this stuff up ? for three reasons mainly.


(And there was me thinking you were standing at the next election!)



The first because in a perfect world there would be complete transparency by Governments allowing far more trust by the population.


(Surely this is a joke ? The vast majority of people cannot do the alphabet never mind be able to rationalise outside their own requirements.)



The fact is that it is a very special type of human being who does not put self and family interest first, and by extension financial reward before serving the population as witnessed by the disgraceful UK, and now Euro MP’s expense disaster.


(And Jersey is no different , nor would it be unless run by St Francis of assissi and mother Theresa.)



As with most of us, I have been to meetings political and otherwise to hear some truly enlightening and individual responses by clever individuals that never see the light of day  by the ruling committee.

( Well do tell!who were they , what did they say?)

This waves the flag that the agenda that  those in power are supporting is either completely different to what is advertised and discussed, or closed minds are making wrong decisions on behalf of people they are supposed to represent. Either way the result is less than satisfactory.

(No shit sherlock?)

I hate being ripped off with a vengeance, as most of us do and when I see millions of tax pounds blatantly wasted and the faces of those who put their grubby hands out for more money (GST). It makes me unhappy.

( Do you have a degree in the bleeding obvious?)

Finally the more information in the public domain, the more accountable the decision makers will become, and the more pressure will be put……………………… to get it right.

(We all wish, but unless they sack the entire civil service , none of that will happen)

This wind turbine story encompasses massive spending, low efficiency and actually from what I have read ( and I am happy to be proved wrong ) Is a sad expensive and desperate way to waste taxpayers money when science and technology are improving equipment, saleable products, and systems at rate never seen before. Think of what a mobile phone is capable of compared to a mere five years ago.

More on the Wind turbine scam tomorrow.

(If you had ever bothered to read my comments on globing warming 2 years ago , you will have noted that I covered the wind turbine sham along with the solar sham and con ,eons ago. Much as we might hate it , nuclear power is the only option, until another (( and please do not repeat the ignorant tidal energy bollicks))
scheme makes sense . Carbon trading is another illusion for theft!

BB
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Calimachon on May 03, 2011, 10:48:07 PM
Cali, you would probably feel very at home with this http://jit.org.je/ (http://jit.org.je/)


Thank you Mark but I tend to be a loner these days and work by myself.  Trouble in Jersey is you don't know  who you are rubbing shoulders with, the dusbtman, the candemaker or someone who just happened to kill a passenger whilst driving along a road one day and gets away with it.

I am sure this organisation is exemplary but not for me!

Yes to whomsoever said that the Jersey way has come to mean sneaky and dishonest these days!  Shame eh?
Cali :)

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on August 06, 2011, 04:42:39 PM

A sensible and open letter that the JEP refused to publish. Senator Ben Shenton, Senator Perchard and Deputy Sean Power come off badly when the truth is displayed.

Opening part of the letter

Dear Sir,

May we, through the columns of your paper, express our incredulity and dismay at the rather prominent and misleading headline in the JEP, Tuesday 26th July – ‘Call for investigation into police links with newspaper’.
Firstly, it appears you have proven the link of the leak to the police before any investigation has even been agreed. This leak could have also come from politicians or other sources. Your headline is therefore only a misleading assumption.

For the complete letter, please click on link below.

http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2011/08/jersey-care-leavers-association-letter.html

BB
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on August 12, 2011, 03:56:35 PM

While others just take, like the crowd lead by Ozouf who says Jersey is doing great, but we are going to put up taxes anyway, it is always good to hear of people that go the extra mile and  show through action, not spin that they can make a real poitive difference to others.

Take for example Like the guy's from Ernst and Young who had to attend a Forum in Monaco, 800 miles away how did they get there ? They cycled of course, as a team of eight and raised £8,000 for Macmillan Cancer support Jersey.  Top team.

Rather than do nothing, another team from Domino, scaled the three highest peaks in England, Scotland and Wales in an event called the three peaks challenge. In doing such a strenuous event over 24 hours, Domino raised a hefty £11,000 to be split between Headway Jersey and the Jersey Alzheimer's Association. Excellent.

The Freemasons have also been very generous.

They have raised £20,000 for the Women's refuge through various fundraising activities not wanting to leave other good causes on the sidelines they also donated another £12,000 to local charities and good causes. Top Players.

No doubt other people in Jersey's community , are doing and have done excellent  work in their free time to benefit others less fortunate. 

BB
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on August 18, 2011, 01:04:59 AM
 Having just watched the Channel News (for a change), Deputy Pitman was being interviewed and spoke pretty well, and mentioned fee's being asked for by BDO Alto Jersey.

However as I sit here shaking my head, again I cannot believe that an accountancy firm like the banks can be so desperately greedy and arrogant and Government lets them get away with it.

I will not put it up here as it has been Rico's work and specialist topic but Mr Harper who was never given the opportunity of an interview by BDO Alto, even though the report was about his spending. Never got to address one statement that was in the BDO report.

It is interesting also that the responsibility by law for police spending is the chief accounting officer for the home affairs department. Mr Austin - Vautier is that man according to Ex Police Chief Graham Power. His department signed off all costs did not set a budget and made no complaint's at the time.

In Jersey of course conflict of interest means very little as Mr Austin Vautier helped write the terms of reference or TOR for the BDO report and liased regularly with them.

No shafting done there then.

Not very professional, says Mr Lenny Harper, who in a letter to the Authority that scrutinises and deals with complaints against accountancy firms decides to copy and paste their own  rules back to them, which clearly instruct on balance and being  fair to both sides. Mr Harper has lodged a serious complaint against BDO Alto Jersey.

So as BDO Alto Jersey have appeared at the scrutiny hearings, which are by the way one of the main reasons the hearings are happening. BDO has apparently offered a lame one sided report they say its fine as it is. BDO Alto have billed the States £26,000 reduced to £14,000 to pay for their almighty God like appearance in front of scrutiny.

Are they not just explaining the work that they have already done, and how and why they went about it in the way they did ? Are they trying to be funny, cause I see no one laughing ?

I hope they are told to take a ride and not secure any other another States commission or work.

They have milked it enough, the original report cost £64,000. 

Harpers letter to the authority is amongst these set of reports.

http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2011/06/hollywood-harper-bdo-alto-14.html
 
Boatyboy
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on August 18, 2011, 04:14:06 PM

Priceless,  from Elle

Quote.

Scrutiny could investigate BDO Alto's ridiculous requested charge for answering any more Committee questions. As part of the investigation, Scrutiny could commission an expensive special report on those reasons but never interview BDO Alto or give them any right of reply, then leak it illegally and selectively to the press. That would still be a lot more fair than what BDO Alto did to Lenny Harper!


Elle

August 17th 2011-08-18


http://ricosorda.blogspot.com                       comment section.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on July 10, 2013, 03:57:10 PM

Is this good use of charity funds ? Is there no one in Jersey, through no fault of there own that would appreciate, or needs help.
How about a suggestion. The cost of a private operation for a hip transplant ( as just effected by a friend ) in St Malo is six thousand Euro. Rather than wait a year or more why not spend the money on four patients on Jerseys very long waiting list to have the pain relieved and quality of life restored. The £25K would cover the operations and travel costs.

CTV

The National Trust received nearly £25,000 to rebuild their website and modernise their computers.

http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline%5Fjerseynews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=506040
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: danrok on July 10, 2013, 11:51:41 PM
Surely it is hip replacements on offer, rather than transplants?
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: danrok on July 10, 2013, 11:54:48 PM
As for the £25K...

They were either ripped off on the website/computers, or bought some extremely impressive computer (which they would have no use for).
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on July 11, 2013, 03:54:53 AM

Yep hip replacements - apparently- but not confirmed  (I must add ) the cost to go private at the Jersey General is £11,000, rather than wait a year you are sorted within ten days to three weeks. Thats if you line the man's hand with silver of course.

One does wonder why Minister Anne Pryke, who has admitted the excessive waiting lists exist on Jersey for this type of replacements in the assembly, does not come to an arrangement with the French. This may not help the consultants private income, but it would show she is serious about getting waiting lists down.


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Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: ageofaquarius on July 11, 2013, 04:22:26 AM
A friend decided to go to France for a hip replacement years ago rather than wait for 3 years, she paid about £10K to go private, nothing to do with Jersey hospital she was referred by her GP, she could'nt fault the service and was up and about in 3 weeks - the cost to go private in Jersey at that time was £15K
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Calimachon on July 11, 2013, 12:45:06 PM
Yep hip replacements - apparently- but not confirmed  (I must add ) the cost to go private at the Jersey General is £11,000, rather than wait a year you are sorted within ten days to three weeks. Thats if you line the man's hand with silver of course.

One does wonder why Minister Anne Pryke, who has admitted the excessive waiting lists exist on Jersey for this type of replacements in the assembly, does not come to an arrangement with the French. This may not help the consultants private income, but it would show she is serious about getting waiting lists down.


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You have to ask this question?  It really makes me wonder who really does actually run the hospital?

Cali :)

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on December 16, 2015, 06:04:51 AM
A story has just broken that should ask the question What is "The Royal Way "?

The old Queen Liz and her Hubby are well liked by a lot of people but remember the Queen does not comment or get involved in politics as head of the Monachy.

You will also be aware that Charles inherited the duchy of Cornwall and has substantial land rights, property and businesse's. The Royal estate also beneits from " owning the sea shore around Britain.

The King in waiting therefore is a businessman, and entitled to his personal view but like the Queen should not be involved in politics after all who prey voted him into office ?

Daily Mail.

The book warns that the need for secrecy is so great that 'special care in circulation and handling' is required, and Cabinet ministers are handed their copies in person.

Four chapters from the book were released to campaign group Republic after the Cabinet Office failed in a three-year effort to avoid making it public.

Republic has now written to Prime Minister David Cameron demanding that Charles be removed from the circulation list for the papers, which would include details of ministers' discussions on upcoming legislation normally kept secret for at least 20 years.

Republic's chief executive Graham Smith said: 'The disclosure of Cabinet papers to Prince Charles is quite extraordinary and completely unacceptable, not only because they would contain highly classified information but because it gives him considerable advantage in pressing his own agenda when lobbying ministers.'

The group's letter to Mr Cameron warned that the papers could also include market-sensitive information which could be used to further an individual's financial interests.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3361317/Prince-Charles-sent-secret-cabinet-documents-decades.html#ixzz3uR350jyx

Independent.

Prince Charles is demanding “North Korean-style” pre-conditions in television interviews, including advance knowledge of precise questions, the right to oversee editing and even to block a broadcast if he does not approve of the final product.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-charles-the-15-page-contract-that-reveals-how-the-prince-of-wales-tries-to-control-the-media-a6756541.html

This will do the popularity of the Royal family no favours and, air miles Andy and his brother Charles like the Queen, should stay out of politics. Charles cannot even give an honest interview without having full North Korean type control over the editing and publishing and he is likely to be the next King.

Not good.

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Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: boatyboy on December 20, 2015, 09:43:36 PM
In fairness this item could have been posted under many different and accurate titles but here I think will do.

Excellent reporting by Mike on the so named Tom Gruchy Blog shows three powerful short neat and extremely powerful video images of some worried politicians and angry vocal pensioners in yet another public demonstration against the decisions taken by the majority of States members. Philip Ozouf the politician of assembly speeches without meaning ( it will be fully let before building starts ) standing in a doorway looking seriously uncomfortable. CM Gorst scurrying into the States building. Deputy Murray Norton clueless and full of himself speaking as playing the king in a children's pantomime.

The interviewer Mike asks a simple question, is there another back door into this building as so many states members have avoided contact with the pensioners ?

For me personally the three short videos brought reality to those that sit in their ivory tower and for the viewer. It brought reality because we could see their shocked faces and were made aware how the cowards in the states ( that we elected ) used the backdoor rather than the front. This in itself is an admission that their beliefs in what they vote for, are not a matter of conscience more of like towing some ones else's collective party line. An admission that  "so called " supposed upstanding men and women are just plain brainless do as you are told empty headed puppets without proper and true moral conviction or reason, with which they are ill equipped to face the public.

Well done to the politicians that voted against the CoM proposal.

See at link below.

http://tomgruchy.blogspot.de/2015/12/jersey-budget-protest-royal-square-15.html

All credit goes to the tomgruchy blog.

Boatyboy
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: shortport on December 20, 2015, 09:59:42 PM
I think the one who looked the biggest **** was Suzie Pinel.
What an attitude,she really shouldn't be in politics.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Chevalier Blanc on March 11, 2016, 11:11:54 PM
It needs so many more people to come out and get in to the Royal Square to show that we do not want this CoM's!
Call for them to resign now and have new elections.
Can you image 3000 people shouting and marching through the town for them to resign.  It would really make them afraid and just maYbe start listening to the people.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: shortport on March 12, 2016, 01:54:57 AM
I think if we had a strong leader to do this it might actually happen with current feelings towards the COM.
Unfortunately we don't have such a person to motivate the masses.
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Fritz on March 13, 2016, 03:56:35 AM
Come the next election our entire government will be Polish and I welcome it.
The Polish community in Jersey are far more,"Politically aware", than previous immigrants and locals.
Once they realise that you only need a couple of hundred votes to be elected into a position of power,(Which I,m sure they already have),  they will be well organised and everyone entitled to vote will.
The next government has probably already been chosen and will move in en masse with plans in place,"Going Forward".
Watch that space.

Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: Fritz on March 13, 2016, 04:30:22 AM
In previous decades no one really noticed or cared how corrupt our government and civil service was. (We had ,"Money coming out of our ears").
Folk are taking notice now because redundancy and unemployment are realities. (Not things you heard about happening elsewhere and couldn,t comprehend the real implications of).
Jersey sold its soul to the finance industry, (Who are experts in playing,"The long game"). Throw some glass beads at the natives initially,(Low tax, etc), and within a few decades they will be so reliant on our presence that they will agree to our demands. IE: We dont pay tax from now on. The thousands of our employees do. If we move out, you have to feed them.

Jersey. Consider yourself, "OWNED".
Title: Re: What is "The Jersey Way"
Post by: man in the street on March 15, 2016, 02:17:53 AM
Sold down the river fritz.
The yes. Folk are very good at camouflaging their trojan horses.
 And the electorate who bother to vote fall for it time and time again .
To late. When they are in. And drop the mask or fall asleep in the corner.

Vote  no!