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Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #150 on: May 08, 2014, 03:12:28 PM »
Well that is bailhache for you.
One rule for everyone and one for the bailhaches.
No one picked him up on it. Just goes to show how they have the power to keep members quiet. If they do speak out of turn then ban them just like he did with SS.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #151 on: May 13, 2014, 04:11:21 PM »
The Bailiffs Chambers spending !

Who said a Mace party and Oil painting were value for money, requested but not paid for by an unelected Bailiff instead being taken from the publics taxes.
The UK PM David Cameron earns around £147,000.  The Bailiff gets paid around £309,000 who has the more important job description. There does seem to be a very large gap. Who actually decides on remuneration for Jerseys' judiciary staff ?

In the UK the head of an the elected Government, meeting foreign dignitaries is the job of the PM or the foreign Minister, on Jersey should it not be the  elected Chief Minister, or the newly created Minister for foreign affairs ?

This post of course does nothing to discredit the judiciary staff on Jersey to the important work required of their office, but should they really be given such easy spending power over the taxpayers money ?

Hansard

Part of:  please click on link to see full Hansard answer.


2.15 DEPUTY M.R. HIGGINS OF ST. HELIER OF THE CHIEF MINISTER REGARDING THE EXPENDITURE ON ENTERTAINMENT AND CIVIC FUNCTIONS BY THE CHIEF MINISTER AND BAILIFF’S CHAMBERS:


Question

(a) Will the Chief Minister set out for the period 2003 to 2013 how much money was spent in each year on entertainment, civic functions and celebrations -

(i) by the Chief Minister; and

(ii) by the Bailiff’s Chambers?

Chief Ministers

2010

£86,481

includes hosting of Developing Countries Conference

Bailiff's Chambers

2010

£84,525

Includes Liberation Day celebrations and distinguished visitors

Chief Ministers

2012

£15,262

Bailiff's Chambers

2012

£362,741

includes Liberation Day, HM Diamond Jubilee celebrations and distinguished visitors

Chief Ministers

2013

£75,546

includes hosting of British Irish Council

Bailiff's Chambers

2013

£165,088

includes Liberation Day , 350th Anniversary Mace celebrations and distinguished visitors

http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/Pages/Hansard.aspx?docid=ab8634a49ff16b6be937e114733a68d4_StatesAssembly



On a different subject the states now charge extra for music lessons out of school time, for youngsters learning music teaches discipline and is hard work for most to become accomplished a worth while extra educational expense in my humble opinion. Maybe fewer less extravagant spending on parties and entertaining would have funded extra lessons for children ?

Part of.

2.7 THE CONNÉTABLE OF ST. JOHN OF THE MINISTER FOR EDUCATION, SPORT AND CULTURE REGARDING CHARGING FOR MUSIC LESSONS:

Question

Further to the lack of reply to date from the Minister to an e-mail sent on 16th March 2014 would the Minister now respond to the questions raised in that e mail, namely -

1.  Why is Jersey following the United Kingdom in deciding to charge for music lessons?

Answer

1.   The rationale for this change was set out in P36/2013 Jersey Music Service: Introduction of ‘user pays’ charges, which was approved by the States on 30 April 2013. States Members voted 31 to 9 in favour of the proposition, with one abstention. A copy of the proposition is attached for information. I would also refer the Connétable to the Hansard record of the debate and the comments of the Scrutiny Panel that reviewed the proposal.
 
This matter had also been considered previously as part of the Comprehensive Spending Review and Medium Term Financial Plan so it has been in the public domain for some time.


http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/Pages/Hansard.aspx?docid=ab8634a49ff16b6be937e114733a68d4_StatesAssembly

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #152 on: June 13, 2014, 03:56:53 PM »

An Advocate of the Jersey Royal Court
talks openly about the two policeman taken to court, accused of bugging a vehicle illegally. The UK Judge found the two police officers innocent.

What is clearly more disturbing is that the defending lawyer Adcocate Sinel says orders obviously came from much higher up the food chain, and no one would admit to ordering the polices prosecution and subsequent trial ? Is this not the prerogative of the AG deciding who appears in court and which cases are dropped ?

Since Advocate Sinel  won the case the Deputy Bailiff attitude has  ……………….. well hear it all yourself in this truly stunning and open interview by a a working and highly successful lawyer and Advocate of the Jersey Royal Court, as Advocate Sinel discusses problems he sees with indiiduals in Jersey's  judiciary, and the duel rolls of the Bailiff.

Is Jersey's democracy really lacking behind Sark ? Probably the most candid and powerful interview by VFC so far this year.

Part two:

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/advocate-philip-sinel-interview-part-2.html

Part one:

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/advocate-philip-sinel-interview-part-1.html

Lord Carswell submssion. Lord Carswell and his committee were in favour of the Bailiff rolls being split, as does Chief Minister Gorst who recently lost against a amendment placed by the deputy Bailiffs Brother Phillip Bailhache, who now sits as an elected Senator in the Jersey Government.

Advocate Sinels submission laying out why he thinks Jersey needs change.

REVIEW OF THE ROLES OF THE CROWN OFFICERS

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/advocate-philip-sinel-submission-to.html

All credit for this reporting and interview is due to the VFC Blog.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #153 on: June 14, 2014, 04:34:02 AM »
At last someone from the establishment speak up and well said Adv. Sinel.  Lets hope they don't start putting him out as a bit of crackpot with psychological problems.  Watch this space

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #154 on: June 14, 2014, 06:14:24 PM »
Yes this is interesting having ones own so to speak attacking the bailhache etc.
Should be interesting to see how or what will be said if anything.
When someone from the legal profession speaks out against the royal court officials you then know that there is something really wrong.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #155 on: June 15, 2014, 04:11:50 AM »
Sinel has never been, "Backward when coming forward". If he,s bringing something to light, you can be sure that there is,"Plenty of meat still on the bones".
Very clever fella who knows how to do his homework. He wont be swept aside as easily as Syvret.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #156 on: August 13, 2014, 03:43:01 PM »

Jersey lawyers question ( in a very, very nice way ) why Jersey is out of step in having a judge as a Bailiff who is also speaker. Of course you may be aware that several senior ministers including the chief minister are now against  " The Jersey Way " set up, and has anyone heard of a complaint against the greff when he acts as speaker in the assembly.

In their blog, linked below there are some interesting points but the focus on what is - and - what is not acceptable in the UK should shout loud and clear about which way this small Crown dependancy should jump - or should that be shuffle.

Quote: from Hanson Renouf

Isn’t it time now for the recommendations of the Carswell Review to be followed so that our top two local judges cease to be involved in our legislature, acting as speaker, reviewing written questions and propositions submitted by politicians? 

The Bailiff, in addition, as top local judge and “chief citizen” and therefore ambassador for the Island, feels in itself to be a rather uncomfortable pairing of roles.

And:


The appointment process for Deputy Bailiff, Attorney General and Solicitor General for Jersey has developed in recent years and is chaired by the Bailiff, with the addition of the most senior Jurat and chairman of the Jersey Appointments Commission.

There is also a process of consultation. However, the detailed selection criteria that is circulated as part of the consultation is not publicly available.

End.

http://www.hansonrenouf.com/blog/changing-attitudes-the-roles-of-lord-chancellor-and-bailiff/

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #157 on: March 18, 2015, 02:49:30 PM »
Is this another case of the Bailiff and his supporters carrying on as they so wish, without heeding or discussing the views of the people they actually work for - the islanders ?

To be more specific the veterans and survivors that were liberated. This post highlights the arrogance, the mightier than thou attitude, for all to see. To be fair to the JEP they have done a good covering article explaining the full story including the lack of communication with the people, and the pressing ahead of unpopular changes to the Liberation day celebrations.

The article and the threat of boycott can be read by hitting the link. The claim by critics that Jersey was not as controlled when the Germans were here, when faced with non communication by the Bailiffs office, the advent of secret trials against ex politicians, and ever increasing taxes and ex civil servants, and politicians controlling arms length quango's with codes of commercial secrecy does not look at all healthy on an island that calls itself a law abiding democratic crown dependency.

Still with all the minor Royals constantly visiting Jersey and being wined and dined at the tax payers expense, her majesty will be pleased that her kids are being well entertained and engaged by her appointees the Bailiff and the those in the judiciary, all at the tax payers expense of course. Another Mace party or oil painting anyone ?

http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2015/03/17/threat-of-liberation-day-boycott-bailiff-calls-emergency-meeting/

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #158 on: October 07, 2015, 09:25:39 PM »
The Bailiwick Express actually puts more meat on the bone regarding what was said, when a speaker  ( not democratically elected ) insisted a democratically elected politician leave Jersey's Parliament assembly.

Of course the speaker the Bailiff W. Bailhache, felt that the politician Monfort Tadier had taken a step to far by using Jesus Christ as an example in order to give meaning to his thoughts on the Tory Congress as part of a debate.

The chief minister and other elected politicians took no offence. Now to be fair, any speaker elected or not may have done the same. The critical difference is that if the speaker  is thought to be misguided in his beliefs, and puts there own personal slants on decisions to expel politicians from the states chamber they would be kicked out at the next election or voted out as being unsuitable by the very house of politicians themselves.

What we have in Jersey is a feudal system of right,  in that there is no such way to get rid of the speaker who gets their position through the old boys network and job placement by the the queen. The Bailiff as speaker also decides which questions to allow or not, and who may speak and for how long.

How utterly ridiculous in this modern age.

Bailiwick Express

The Bailiff, William Bailhache, instructed Deputy Montfort Tadier to leave the Chamber after he refused to take back a comment he made during his speech about Jesus not attending a Tory Party conference.

It's the first time in years that an elected politician has been expelled from the Assembly, and is likely to reopen the debate about whether the Bailiff, as the Island's Chief Judge, should really be presiding over the States Chamber at all.

During a debate on whether higher tax rates on top earners should be used to fill the £145 million black hole instead of benefit cuts that affected the most vulnerable, Deputy Tadier had said that there was some hypocrisy in the States Chamber. He said that if Jesus were alive today he would not be at the Conservative Party conference - he would be standing up for the little guy.

http://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/states-suspended-after-argument-over-jesus/?t=i

LATEST

Deputy Tadier makes a statement:

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/press-release-on-behalf-of-deputy.html

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #159 on: October 08, 2015, 02:47:31 AM »
Going to make Jersey look more backward than it already does when the national media gets a hold of this debacle.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #160 on: October 08, 2015, 03:46:19 AM »
Make sure the media do get hold of this debacle, before Deputy Tadier goes the same way as Shona and Trevor and Stuart.
What would Jesus do? Well He would anger the Pharisees by speaking plainly, and they drove Him out and tried to stone Him.
And the people who have ejected Tadier for their 'Christian' beliefs, are the same ones who showed that they never knew anything about Jesus and His teachings when they publicly destroyed me and lied about me to protect wrongdoers.
Boatyboy, shhh, no foot in mouth!


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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #161 on: October 08, 2015, 06:24:00 AM »
Another very poor day at the office for Tadier. You know you've lost the argument when you have to start making stupid references to Christ. The headlines should have been about the people who are set to be worse off as a result of these cuts. Instead, it's like we just stepped back two decades into a pointless Syvret v Bailhache verbal spat. Tadier should quietly start preparing a Curriculum Vitae - Back to Work will help him do it for free - because he is simply not good enough to make a real difference for the people of Jersey. He has only stayed in the House this long because the candidates who have stood against him in St. Brelade are generally even more incompetent than he is. Why is it that we just can't find competent people to put their names forward to start a real opposition movement in this island?

They're now talking about a pension age of 70 and a completely unregulated housing market where locals have to fight it out on an equal basis with new arrivals for what little affordable housing there is... and this tw*t is going on about Jesus!  >:(

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #162 on: October 08, 2015, 08:37:31 PM »
The wonders of modern technology. Well done to Montfort Tadier for standing his ground, and also credit to Chief Minister Gorst who on deciding to leave the chamber was followed out by his sheep.

It would have been even better to have heard our Bill Bailiff give out the marching orders but close enough.

Below the verbal exchange in Jerseys' Parliament, thanks to Ryan Morrison.

http://upyourego.com/2015/10/transcript-montfort-tadier-v-the-bailiff/http://upyourego.com/2015/10/transcript-montfort-tadier-v-the-bailiff/http://upyourego.com/2015/10/transcript-montfort-tadier-v-the-bailiff/

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #163 on: October 09, 2015, 02:47:07 AM »

The houses of parliment often use references to Jesus when trying to make a point, what Tadier was trying to say was perfectly ligit,especially as most with power hide behind a cloak of respectability so called christianity.  Fair play to the man - I think had PB not thrown his toys out the pram Montford would have got to the point.


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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #164 on: October 09, 2015, 10:51:37 PM »
I wish monty was in my parish  would vote for him.
Hope he stands for senator,then I can.
Totally,agree age of Aquarius.