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A Better Jersey / Re: "No Taxation without representation".
« Last post by boatyboy on February 24, 2018, 04:56:55 PM »
Some examples and two laws make Jersey justice questionable. I am not a lawyer but think I have this right ?

The case of John Le Breton invited to sit on the bench in court presiding over others.


He also claimed that the school's former deputy head, John Le Breton, who had left the school and become a Jurat, intervened in the investigation and tried to stop an arrest warrant being issued.

First there is no right of appeal against a Royal Court ruling unless you have the money to interest the privy council which is difficult.

Just one person the Attorney General makes a decision to carry out prosecution or not ? This may be the Jersey Law but is it not about time a committee decided like the UK who has the Crown Prosecution Service. This has caused much debate about as an example - after playing golf with a high ranking member of the judiciary a suspect of child abuse was not prosecuted it was revealed to the child abuse investigation.

Two police officers were taken to court for the illigal bugging of Warren's car.


While Jersey police were investigating Warren and his associates, they put bugging equipment into a hire car used in mainland Europe - even though French and Belgian authorities had refused permission to do so because they said it was a breach of the European Convention of Human Rights.
Jersey is not signed up to the convention so police bugged the car anyway, the court heard.

THREE police officers who have been cleared of any wrongdoing


It is highly unlikely the police would have acted illigally without the blessing of the law office.

It is highly unlikely ( on the probability of success ) that the AG did not give permission for the court case to proceed. The case failed but the AG at a later date said he did not bring the prosecution Doh ? This means that legal advice told the police to bug the car, then legal advice put them in court  for bugging the car - crazy.

The Secret Trial.

It is completely ridiculous to belive that the AG was not instrumental in advising the data protection boss Emma Martins for a trial to be staged against a severe critic of the judiciary Stuart Syvret.

To then involve five members of the public as witnesses two who were recorded petty criminals, and one refused, leaving four proxy witnesses. The trial was made secret so the public had no access to the proceedings which beggers belief. One of the witnesses was earlier prosecuted for making death threats against Stuart Syvrets landlord and fully recorded on an answerphone machine. MP John Hemmings brought this case up in the houses of Parliament naming all four proxy witnesses who suffered no financial burden. The tax payer as usual picked up the legal expenses.

Syvret who refused to attend the Kangaroo trial,  was found guilty of course and jailed. With the integrity of two of the dodgy witnesses this would have been grounds for a miss trial in the UK. Remember the fake sheik. all cases were reviewed as he to proved to be a dodgy witness. Obviously Emma Martins took almost anything she could get.

If you are one of the many Universities that studies small island politics and judiciary, I suggest this case is well worth academic research.

The examples I hope show that there is a lot wrong with a closed system that suffers little scrutiny but we are supposed to respect.

A Better Jersey / Re: The coming election
« Last post by boatyboy on February 24, 2018, 04:18:46 PM »

A group of computer savvy students are about to release a website that will be a joy to a few and I suggest a " slam dunk " as the yanks say to many elected to the States of Jersey.
A WEB site that will inform voters regarding the voting patterns and a lot more about sitting politicians. It would be wonderful but also unlikely to view how much of tax payers money has been spend on jolly's and extravagance,  however this is still an excellent piece of work in the accountability section. That is a long as it sees the light of day well before the next election in May.


‘They Work For You UK is an open-source [freely available] programme, so we took that, and the team used data from the States Assembly, which is already in the public domain,’ he said.

‘What this should do is make it easier for people to understand data from the States Assembly. It needs some more work to get a professional touch and we have a team working on that.’

He added: ‘We really wanted to ensure that it had the sensibility analysis functionality, which allows you to see how politicians tend to vote on certain issues. There’s extra work involved with that.

‘We are using data going back to the last election, so voters will be able to research the current States Members and we may go back further, if possible. We don’t have a launch date yet, but we are hoping for March – we want this to go live before the next election.’


A Better Jersey / Re: "No Taxation without representation".
« Last post by Fritz on February 24, 2018, 02:24:37 AM »
"We even give them the right to sit on our juries but when I asked for details of how many foreign criminal conviction checks are successfully carried out on non-British nationals who have been selected as potential jurors, they completely ignored me. "

Is this a personal issue ?
A Better Jersey / Re: "No Taxation without representation".
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on February 23, 2018, 04:54:51 AM »
If we're a "cosmopolitan society" then what are all those EU Member States across the sea - medieval backwaters still waiting to learn about the font of wisdom that is Reform Jersey? As far as I'm aware, British nationals cannot stand as candidates for any of their national parliaments nor for President, without obtaining citizenship. This is the rule all across the world. Neither can most foreign nationals stand for Parliament in the UK without British citizenship. Are you saying all these great democracies have got it wrong and a States Deputy who faces a very tough battle to retain his seat in St Brelade has somehow got it right?

And here we also allow all foreign nationals to vote for candidates to our national legislature - another privilege that is probably not extended to British nationals anywhere in the EU - at least not in the countries that matter and where everyone wants to live.

We even give them the right to sit on our juries but when I asked for details of how many foreign criminal conviction checks are successfully carried out on non-British nationals who have been selected as potential jurors, they completely ignored me. We are just supposed to take it on trust that they are properly vetting foreign nationals but I am not convinced. The UK has far more respect for the tradition of the jury than us so it would never allow people to serve who can't or won't obtain British citizenship. The reason Jersey broke ranks with the rest of Europe (and most of the World) and allowed foreign nationals into our justice system is because we don't value the jury as a system of justice, just as we don't value our democracy ... and with good reason because it is a total sham. I have already said elsewhere that our legislature is institutionally corrupt. It is worthless. It doesn't protect our interests whoever we vote for. No wonder so many islanders couldn't care less who can stand as a candidate. They have no respect for their own institutions.

As for Edyta Buard (Polish Cultural Centre) who was interviewed tonight in one of the most biased ITV News Channel TV reports I have ever witnessed, when she has learnt how to treat her own employees with the respect they deserve then I might be more willing to take her opinions into account:


Monet (Claimant) v Ms Edyta Buard t/a Polish & Education Association (Respondent)

31st January 2018

The Respondent shall pay to the Claimant the sum of £1,458.60 by way of unpaid wages.

A Better Jersey / "No Taxation without representation".
« Last post by Fritz on February 23, 2018, 12:14:24 AM »
Really disappointed that States have decided foreign nationals cannot stand for election.
We are supposed to be a cosmopolitan society, and the views and wishes of all permanent residents should be considered.
You cannot expect folk to live and pay their dues in any jurisdiction without having equal rights in government.
General Discussion / Re: Rumour is Murray Norton to Stand
« Last post by boatyboy on February 22, 2018, 12:30:10 AM »

The Diplomat:

" As well as working with the UK Government, engagement with the diplomatic corps is central to the work of the London Office. As I have mentioned, Jersey has in recent years taken on increasing responsibility for our own international relations, which has led to the establishment of two further overseas offices in Brussels and in Northern France "


Abu Dhabi

Our forward-thinking strategy led us to setting up a regional UAE office in 2011


Brussels Office

No costs allowed says FOI answer regarding London and Brussels.

Plus a brand new states external affairs department costing how much ?

Can anyone please show or give a report showing that all these tax payer funded offices are actually cost effective ?


General Discussion / Re: Rumour is Murray Norton to Stand
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on February 21, 2018, 08:38:00 AM »
Yet another costly event for the elites that took place earlier this month. This time we were hosting it apparently. So presumably we were giving them the gifts and hospitality rather than the other way around.

Re-tweeted by various untouchables including the Ambassadors of Latvia, Slovenia and Finland, Diplomat Magazine, a chap called Peter Hellyer whose location on Twitter is given as "Abu Dhabi and Jersey", the Lords Christian May and Maclean, etc...

How much?

General Discussion / Re: Rumour is Murray Norton to Stand
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on February 19, 2018, 10:03:55 PM »

Another simple example shown below, food costs at a reception was a mere £30 but what of the flight, hotel etc ? Was Senator Paul Routier accompanied by civil servants
What was the real financial cost to the Jersey tax payer. We are all tax payers with GST.

23/10/2017    Reception - The Gherkin - London    £30    Chief Ministers Department    Chief Minister - Gov of Gibralter - London    Assistant Minister senator Paul Routier(representing Chief Minster)


Yes, these are valid questions - and don't forget taxis too! If you look back up this thread to my earlier post of 27th July 2017, I mention Norton's apparent presence at 'Jersey Day' in London on 9th/10th July and then there's a photo of him feasting at Bad Wurzach, Germany, later that same week.

Now if you look at this latest register of gifts and hospitality for 2017, there appears to be only one single entry for 'Jersey Day' and that is for Deputy Scott Wickenden to have lunch worth £50 at the RAC Club, Pall Mall, courtesy of Digital Jersey (very worrying, by the way, as they are currently lobbying to set up an international academy to attract students here from all around the world, which will create even greater housing chaos for locals at the lower end of the rental market, not to mention stealing our jobs, getting treated for free at Accident & Emergency after drunken nights out, subsidised Doctors' appointments and free prescriptions after 6 months, etc.).

There are 2 other entries for Gorst dated 10th July (gifts of coins from Hinduja Group) but nothing to say that this took place in London. The only other similar entry in July that happened in London is Lord and Lady Maclean's invitation to a Bastille Day reception at the French Embassy (£50 declared, no doubt the Ambassador spoiled them rotten with Ferrero Rochers!).

So nothing at all in the register for Murray Norton's visits to London and Germany. We know he must have ate in Germany because there's a photo showing him at the table with other guests. Did he or did he not actually attend the Jersey Day event at Pall Mall and if so, did he dine with the other guests in the same way as Wicko did? I am confused as to how an event held in Germany, presumably at least partly at the expense of the local hosts, doesn't seem to qualify as gifts or hospitality, yet his visit to that Guernsey Awards bash last February does.

As you have pointed out, the flight and accommodation details are not included with any of these declarations. So in the same week in July, we had, at the very least, 2 Assistant Ministers in London (Wickenden and Norton) present for Jersey Day in some shape or form. It is surely inconceivable that there wouldn't have been at least 1 Minister in attendance too, but the register is apparently silent on this (unless Gorst's gifts from Hinduja were received while he was in London at the same event?). Yes- there must have been at least 1 top civil servant present too. Then 4 days later, the Macleans are lording it up too. How many Jersey Ministers and Assistant Ministers were in London that week and how much did this all cost when flights and accommodation are included?

And I presume that this is going to be an annual shindig in London so we will have to shell out all over again this July after they've got themselves re-elected...  >:(
General Discussion / Re: Rumour is Murray Norton to Stand
« Last post by boatyboy on February 18, 2018, 05:07:41 PM »

It may be your money that civil servants and politicians are spending on trips abroad and to the UK  [ some obviously necessary  ] to represent the islands interest.

This being the case, why should all expenses not be listed, why the big secret ?

The  States book of rules at this time state all trips on behalf of the island come under States business and do not need to be declared. I would argue that although this may be the case but a transparent and open Government with nothing to hide would include travel costs against each and every politician. Remember a politician is married to a partner living in London, and claimed to be working out of the Westminster Jersey office traveling almost each and every week to the island paid for by us.

Another simple example shown below, food costs at a reception was a mere £30 but what of the flight, hotel etc ? Was Senator Paul Routier accompanied by civil servants
What was the real financial cost to the Jersey tax payer. We are all tax payers with GST.

23/10/2017    Reception - The Gherkin - London    £30    Chief Ministers Department    Chief Minister - Gov of Gibralter - London    Assistant Minister senator Paul Routier(representing Chief Minster)

Back to the long-running Murray Norton saga.

Last week an FOI response revealed that during 2017 alone he received gifts and hospitality to the value of £512. Most notably, it included an invite to Guernsey's Awards for Achievement at Beau Sejour ("Gala, accomodation + flights") valued at an estimated £307. Even by the standards of serial hospitality blaggers Farnham and Bailhache, this amount stands out for its individual high cost (although Farnham got a £500 ticket to watch Take That).

As the revelations contained nothing that could cause embarrassment to Reform Jersey's 3 members, the BBC were able to report the details online:

Obvious question: why is Guernsey paying hundreds of pounds to invite a Jersey Assistant Minister to a Guernsey awards ceremony? Do we have to return the favour in some way to one of their government puppets? My next thought was whether he was compering the event and getting paid for it but this register supposedly lists only gifts and hospitality, which I take not to include any paid work that members of the government privately undertake. I also did a google search and I can't find any evidence that Norton compered the event. So it appears he was on official Jersey government business this time - not working. Yet we know that compering this type of event is Murray's bread and butter, so being able to wine and dine with the organisers will do his chances of being offered a paid compering role in the future absolutely no harm whatsoever.  ::) If he does turn up as a paid compere at this event some time in future, either while he remains as a member of Jersey's government or perhaps after he has been kicked out of the States (hopefully this May), I am unaware that he would have breached any anti-corruption laws or guidelines .... because there doesn't appear to be any that would cover this!  >:(

The link to this FOI response is here:

Another potentially significant piece of news, election-wise, is that on 16th October, Murray took up a part-time job as Sales Manager for Liberty Wharf Apartments located at Liberty Wharf, Esplanade. Why take up extra paid work so close to an election? Is he planning to step down like Routier? Or is he going to stand again but is getting a bit worried about the public reaction he might receive in May, hence the sudden urge to start hedging his bets? Well I really shouldn't get my hopes up like this!

He has immediately started replying to all comments posted by guests to that establishment on Trip Advisor, called himself "Director of Sales" (although he declared himself to be only an employee, not a Director, on his Statement of Interests). Luckily for Murray, most of the reviews since he took over the job have been positive, which is a relief for him because he is known to be a particularly sensitive soul who will block people who post anything about him on social media that he doesn't approve of. What happens when the inevitable rotten review gets posted on Trip Advisor - is there a way to get negative comments wiped? I'm sure he's been asking himself the very same question!

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