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Offline Fritz

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2017, 06:01:12 PM »
once again,"External Advisers", get the biggest slice of the Jersey pie. >:(

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 05:52:43 PM »
How much do the special advisers give to the states members as a thank you?

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2017, 01:37:25 PM »
Borrowed from Tom De Gruchy's Blog.

Not that old red herring again. Banks are queuing up to lend Governments money being the safest borrowers in the world, they just raise taxes to meet capital and other spending when running short. Stand alone business can go bust remember Woolworths.

¨No doubt the council of ministers are staying well away from the discredited PFI method of borrowing ( now having such a bad reputation it is relabeled PPP ).

The truth is as Mike Dunn and others have written in their submission's to the independent planning inspectorate, what is the island actually getting for it's hard earned money ?

The fine details are missing as is a professional business plan. Not quite sure what the internal design will be or the equipment provided ? A complete shambles. No person or family would invest in a new house or building with such a sketchy fog of a idea ?

Why are other hospitals being built that are enormous,  complete with videos and plans showing exactly what is being built compared to Jersey they are costing far less  even though they are much larger and for a extended population ?

Deputy Renouf was absolutely right when confronting the CM Gorst and his ministers in the states who did not feel scrutiny ( or anyone else ) should become involved in the borrowing of £466 million two weeks after the Innovation fund fiasco that involved just over £1 million and they had trouble controlling that relatively small amount.

Jersey clearly needs to go forward, so far the States have spent over £17 million without a brick being laid.
An example to support the many claims that for a population of just over 100,000 on an island this is a ridiculous amount of money please see the example.

The New Royal Liverpool Hospital for a cost of £335 Million:

646 beds, including a 40-bed Intensive Therapy Unit.

18 state-of-the-art theatres 23 wards and units, including a large clinical research facility.

The Emergency Department which treats 172.000 patients will be one of the biggest in the north-west with a CT scanner and special lifts for major trauma patients, which go straight to theatres.

http://www.rlbuht.nhs.uk/news/nhs-staff-preparing-for-the-biggest-move-of-their-career/

All credit to the Tom De Gruchy blog well worth a look.

http://tomgruchy.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/submission-of-michael-dun-to-planning.html#comment-form

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2018, 05:35:25 AM »
Last week the preparation cost for the new hospital was reported at £17 million,

This week scrutiny were told the spend so far stands at £24 million and rising with one flat purchased.

Nothing built - nothing past by planning - hospital staff sworn to secrecy - a room of money to spend £466 million - trying to purchase hotels when a complete new site may be required to get through planning - The chief Minister hopes to get it passed before the elections in May.

" The Jersey Way "

http://tomgruchy.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/another-hearing-before-scrutiny-with-cm.html

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2018, 03:36:57 PM »
You have to understand that with a hospital at £336M will not have much to put into the back pocket but at £446M plenty to go into the back pocket.
Just watch TV on the Saudi Royal Family and all the bribes they get!
You cannot tell me that if you have so much crap thrown at you that you would carry on being a minister unless there is more in it than £44,500 per year.
How much will a Russian give to live and be based in Jersey?  They will have the ministers etc in their pocket in no time at all. We all know how they operate to get what they want.

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2018, 02:53:19 AM »
Quite a few of our previous leaders were bought for less than a couple of pints and an occasional lunch, (With the odd new car thrown in on certain lucrative projects by private developers). These were unpaid, already well off, hobby politicians who buzzed on their own egos. How corruptible are our current crop who rely, solely, on their position in government for income?
All the quiet ones come to mind.
How many paid States Members do we have now who do, or say, the square root of nothing but still draw a salary?
Old cliche, "Its the quiet ones you should be wary of".

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 05:41:02 PM »

Yes I spoke with a politician that knows all about the delivery of a new Mercedes years ago.

However the politician involved has long gone. Besides this story which appears very well known, needs proof from someone of standing employed by the States or a member of Government. Not going to happen is it ?

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 10:52:08 PM »
I know exactly the episode you are talking about and got my information directly, "From the horse,s mouth", (Developer involved). I cannot prove, (And have no intention of trying to because it doesn,t really bother me), this as fact. Its just the way things happened and corruption in politics was common knowledge.
Difference then was that politicians were less corruptible because they were independently wealthy.
Nowadays, being on fixed salaries, "career politicians", are more vulnerable to external sources boosting their income.