Author Topic: 2 more civil servants for Terry at £200.000 each, That's what you call growth !  (Read 11607 times)

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In the event that you believe there is no one person in the states who is fit to govern,that there is no one person who has a clue about the economy or how the real world works, I would have thought you might be quite excited about the employment of superb people at £200,000. or more.Surely their opinions might be of benefit given your belief that the current incumbents are ,,,Clueless?

In the real world, there is no shortage of highly paid experts full of expert advice.  Now take a look at the resulting mess they have created.

Why do we need more of these idiots?

Strong economies are not created by £200K consultants, they are created by the blood and sweat of people who do real work all day.

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WE ONLY NEED HALF OUR CIVIL SERVANTS. says Ex trade Minister Lord Digby.

Many civil servants deserve the sack, a former government minister has said.
As many as half could be axed, delivering better value for taxpayers, ex-trade minister Lord Digby Jones suggested to MPs.

He admitted the civil service was ' honest, stuffed full of decent people who work hard' but added: 'Frankly the job could be done with half as many, it could be more productive, more efficient, it could deliver a lot more value for money for the taxpayer.

'I was amazed, quite frankly, at how many people deserved the sack and yet that was the one threat they never ever worked under, because it doesn't exist.'

The comments from the one-time head of the Confederation of British Industry were seized on by anti-waste campaigners who said his suggestion would slash the cost to the public purse of pay, perks and gold-plated pensions.

General secretary Mark Serwotka said: 'These are narrow minded and naive comments which show a complete lack of understanding of what the civil service does. It has already suffered 80,000 job cuts, which has damaged service levels.'
A spokesman for the Cabinet Office, which oversees the civil service, said staff numbers had fallen while 'efficiency gains' had topped £26.5billion.

But Matthew Elliott, of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: 'Lord Jones is right - there is serious overstaffing and woeful mismanagement in large tracts of the civil service. There is plenty of fat that could be trimmed.'

Just about says it all. The quotes are selective and as written  please click on hyperlink for full article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1117664/Half-civil-servants-deserve-sack-ex-trade-minister-Lord-Digby-Jones-tells-MPs.html

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WE ONLY NEED HALF OUR CIVIL SERVANTS. says Ex trade Minister Lord Digby.

Many civil servants deserve the sack, a former government minister has said.
As many as half could be axed, delivering better value for taxpayers, ex-trade minister Lord Digby Jones suggested to MPs.

Perhaps send the redundant half to one of these http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7891132.stm
Also mention this to Dandara and Harourt as there might be opportunities for development
Perhaps Guy de Faye could build some roads there
Is this where Frank Walker went ?

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Chief Minister Terry Le Suer had to offer an answer to a question asked in the Assembly regarding Steven Izatt, chief executive of WEBs bonus. The question was simple enough and is on record. It went something like ( not the exact quote ). Would the Chief Minister confirm that Mr Izatts £30,000 bonus is based on productivity ? The answer was, it is not based on productivity.

On BBC radio this morning, the subject was the States pay freeze, well done CM le Suer, its a start, I thought, until a gentleman phoned in and claimed that our CM Terry, had a couple of weeks ago upgraded a civil servant on £150,000 a year now giving him £175,000 pounds not  bad a £25,000 increase. I do wonder though, if Mr Izatt who is basically a civil servant by any other name can get a nice juicy taxpayer funded bonus for no reason, it seems reasonable that other senior states employees are awarding themselves bonuses ? Whats good for one is good for all !!

On the subject of thrift, and good Government, maybe CM Terry and the CoM could study some of David Camerons policy ideas. He will probably be the next PM, and he will be doing the same job as Terry but on a different scale. The formula for success should not be that different. Speech delivered a couple of weeks ago, so not outdated.

Quotes are selective please click hyper link below.

RESPONSIBLE POLITICS

First, the age of austerity demands responsible politics.

Over the next few years, we will have to take some incredibly tough decisions on taxation, spending, borrowing – things that really affect people’s lives.

Getting through those difficult decisions will mean sticking together as a country – government and people.

Let me make it clear to everyone who works in the public sector: we will honour existing pay deals, including any three year pay deals.

But many of them end next year.

And this is the deal we’ll be offering you then:

We will help you by getting rid of the central direction and bureaucracy that undermines your professional autonomy and morale.
And in exchange we will ask for your help in solving Labour’s Debt Crisis by keeping the cost of public sector pay only as high as the country can responsibly afford.

A GOVERNMENT OF THRIFT

But cutting spending the country can do without is not going to deliver the scale of change we need.

Delivering more for less can’t just be about top-down cuts imposed by ministers.
We need a massive culture change at every level of government, to make the state careful, not casual, with public money.

Every pound of public spending has been earned on the shop floor, the factory floor, in the office.
It’s not government money, as Labour like to say.

It’s your money.

Where spending money is a good in itself, regardless of what it gets you.

Where Ministers brag about getting a bigger budget than the next guy.
Only in government do people automatically think that the way to get things done is to spend more money.

But this culture of thrift must apply to the civil service too.

So we’ll impose a new fiduciary responsibility on senior civil servants – a contractual obligation to save the taxpayer money.

And every government department needs a proper finance director.

Some of them today aren’t proper accountants – flint-faced or not.

With such huge sums of public money at stake a Conservative government will make sure we have the professional financial controls the taxpayer has a right to expect.

TRANSPARENCY

And in an age when we’re asking people to put up with tax rises and spending cuts to pay for Labour’s Debt Crisis

we can use technology to give people even more power – through transparency.

If a company is failing and new management comes in, transparency is the first thing they demand - opening up the books and seeing how every penny is spent.
It’s going to be the same with us.

So today I can announce our ‘People’s Right to Know’ plan – a democratic check on wasteful spending.
Every item of government spending over £25,000, nationally and locally, will have to be published online.

If you want to see how it could work, look at the Missouri Accountability Portal.

It will show you why transparency is such a powerful tool in controlling public spending.
And it can have an especially powerful effect when it comes to salaries.

Spending on public sector salaries has soared under Labour.

Where this has gone to nurses, doctors, teachers, police and other frontline stars, that is money well spent.

But it’s certainly not true of the wage bill for the swarm of unaccountable quangos that has infested our country under Labour.

In the age of austerity, where we’ll be asking frontline public sector workers to help us keep pay levels down we cannot leave the pay of public sector bureaucrats untouched.

People have a right to know exactly how much they’re getting.

So we’ll publish online all public sector salaries over £150,000.

Let’s see which officials have been getting rich at the taxpayer’s expense - and whether they’re worth the money.

Today we’re publishing a list of some we already know about.
Ed Richards at OfCom – he earns over £400,000 a year.

In fact, if you took the top thirty salaries at Ofcom, the communications watchdog, you could provide the whole of Cheltenham with free broadband access.

And then there’s the British Waterways Board.

The salaries of their top four employees – Robin Evans, Nigel Johnson, James Froomberg and Phillip Ridal – add up to £900,000.

That’s thirty nurses.

In the age of austerity we’ve got to ask ourselves what we really value in the public sector: and I know what the answer is.

It’s not the fat cats but the frontline workers.

http://www.conservatives.com/News/Speeches/2009/04/The_age_of_austerity_speech_to_the_2009_Spring_Forum.aspx

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Boatyboy and  Moot.Fully Agree with both your imput. Ministers mostly Chief minister.
  Will they ever seriously start looking where their heading us all in near future'   
    There is enough of us on P.J.alone with intelligence, forward thinking,and continually seeing the enormous risks of continual states spending.So much spent on two civil servants so recently while the recession is on. along with Tresury blunders on the euros. Surely if civil servants are not up to the job or can't think for themselves to get the nesassary advice.Yet can't be sacked.Downloading them into lower, less responsible jobs on a lot  less pay Must surely be the answer. I'd admire any States member who would take on this challege to halt the incompedence of those responsible admin e.c.t. by trying to get changes to these  laws.Apply only as in  private sector for all jobs in the island.
 Also how can one justify allowing companies into not paying tax next year' or allowing those, instance, arriving with  vans, e.c.t. working without social security or paying tax. Who is checking up on those people.
   With restrictions now taking place on Finance, probably more to come. Where does T.L.S. and all Departments think future taxes will come to pay their salaries,Or Our Public Services?. If they believe that taxpayers continuelly will go on paying higher taxes than other countries indefinately where cost of living being great deal less.Many will probably either go
home to their original countries and families.Or will seek work in other places.Leaving    A third rate island,bankcrupt owing millions thanks to euros,costly Incinerator,raiding funds on dodgy financial projects.Those responsible, having used greed for so long, proved to be unable to govern but fools not fit for purpose.

              bankcrupt owing millions. Example Incinerator e.c.t.

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It is simple enough to get the States spending back on track but I don't think the WILL to do so is there even now in this current financial climate. 

Any household in Jersey can tell the States how to cutback.  The first thing they should do is put an embargo on ANY spending, other than Utilities, for the forseeable future.

Or will such a stance mean that cosy relationships with some firms will be damaged.



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What firms ? What cosy relationships? conjecture once again, envy and lack of knowledge seem to make up huge tracts of the discussions on here.

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The Uk is waking up, when will Jersey ? quotes are selective full article available click on link please.

Nearly half a million civil servants will see an end to bumper pay-offs worth an average of £60,000 under a massive shake-up of their pay and perks.

Proposals issued today by the Cabinet Office will call for a cap on 'golden goodbyes' which cost the taxpayer almost £1billion over the past three years.

Plans for the reforms come just two weeks after Britain's top mandarin, Sir Gus O'Donnell, warned that public services faced sweeping cuts as the Government tries to rebalance the country's finances.

Golden goodbye: The Department for Work and Pensions racked up the highest bill, paying out £401million after making 8,500 redundant

This would mean a huge number of redundancies - so a reduction in severance terms could save Britain hundreds of millions of pounds.

Whitehall mandarins currently enjoy generous early retirement and redundancy packages which are the envy of the private sector. The average payout is £60,000, but some public servants receive as much as £100,000.
 
All civil servants who have worked in Whitehall for 20 years are entitled to two years' pay in a lump sum if they take voluntary redundancy and three years' pay if the redundancy is compulsory.

But under the plans, packages will be cut to as little as 24 weeks' pay to mirror the private sector.
Most of those taking voluntary redundancy are high earners, hence the size of the payouts.

Critics also say that the rules make it almost impossible to dismiss incompetent bureaucrats - so it is sometimes easier to pay them off. One Whitehall source said: 'Generous exit packages will not be available as an alternative for those who don't want to do a good day's work. We will not reward failure.'

The sweeping changes would come into force by the end of the Parliamentary summer recess in September following a 12-week consultation.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has ordered the crackdown amid mounting public anger over the pay and perks enjoyed by public servants.

While many workers fear losing their jobs in a recession, civil servants continue to enjoy gold-plated final-salary pension schemes, long holidays and enormous bonuses.

The proposals, which will also look at reforming pensions, are part of a drive to cut civil service running costs by £500million in three years.
 
Some 15,000 bureaucrats have been axed under voluntary and compulsory schemes since 2005.
The cost of cushioning the redundancies was just under £900million but this does not include the cost of gold-plated public sector pensions.

The Department for Work and Pensions racked up the highest bill, paying out £401million after making 8,500 redundant.

The Ministry of Defence, meanwhile, spent £180million getting rid of 2,300 civil servants.
The Home Office handed out average £114,000 payouts to 348 staff who took redundancy. And the Department for Communities and Local Government typically handed out £100,000 packages.

Matthew Sinclair, of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: 'Civil servants have been enjoying bumper packages at taxpayers' expense for too long.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203378/Blitz-1bn-golden-goodbyes-civil-servants.html#ixzz0N3K6m6Qs

If Gordon Brown head of the English Government can do this why can,t our head Chief Minister Terry Le Suer ?

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Calimachon you said

It is simple enough to get the States spending back on track but I don't think the WILL to do so is there even now in this current financial climate

I hope you are wrong. Firstly banking will never be the same again, and offshore finance centres will be squeezed even harder. The reason being that it is going to take England at least 35 years to get back financially into shape. This means cutbacks and not letting even small places like us, getting any money they could find very usefull. Two years ago the amounts were small to a country like England they matter now.

Jersey will always have some sort of finance industry. The tax take will be less (100 million less at least on the cards already ).

So a lovely island, what is to be done. The mindset of the old school has to change. How is Jersey going to be a diverse and well run island.

For me it is to accept that 46,000 working people, as the balance changes will not be able to support a ridiculous budget as large as we now have. If you try over taxing  those that are working, you will just hasten the economic collapse and cause unhappines and resentment as you smash up the economy.

Difficult and hard work as it may well be, accountability, value for money and good management in Jerseys administration and services are the way forward. As Heritage have found out, this is just the start.

The golden era of open chequebooks has long gone in the new world order.

Boatyboy.
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Mike Pollard guitar playing and extremely well paid ex Chief Executive of Health and Social services left under a cloud when both the Verita and serious case review reports ( see under hospital on Planetjersey)  blamed top management for a catalogue of failures he was the boss. A golden hand shake, good pension pot, and professional reputation in tatters was his reward.

Now his wife is in the firing line as she works again for the States in Human Resources.  The Chief Minister Terry Le Suer has told States members that the large amount of money shoved into the hands of Mr Pollard, after his dismal performance at health is a secret. Deputy Higgins has asked questions in the States assembly and found out CM Ler Suer is playing the same old game.

Quote from the Vile blog.

[This question about the Pollards "special treatment", was asked by Deputy Higgins, but he was told by Terry Le Sueur that it was not in the publics interest.]

What on earth does TLS think he is playing at!!

I want to know that the regulations are administered correctly to ensure that a local person could not have done the job. Public interest, I am interested.

Unquote.

Now I can hear you asking what happened to the freedom of information act, the States agreed to adopt in 2005. Firstly it takes time for Jersey to put it to law. Secondly a voluntary code was agreed upon for states members to follow. It would seem the Chief Minister for Jersey takes a different view from the modern civilised western world. In the case of  CM  Le Suer it should be explained to him quietly over a cup of tea and a biscuit, that if the public, through GST and other taxes have paid for a golden goodbye handshake deal, or if a civil servants is perceived as receiving special treatment by an elected politician who then asks questions in Government, it is clearly in the public interest.

On the other hand, should the Chief Minister employ the person privately and have paid out of his own pocket, then the issue is nothing to do with anyone except his own employee and himself.

In my opinion it is that simple. Deputy Higgins and good States members should strive to get answers to their very relevant questions, and keep repeating them until a forthcoming answer is given. Everytime a minister refuses the minister looses more votes, come the next election.

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The problem is that he is not standing in the next elections he is retiring.

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ThisisGuernsey,

But the Guernsey Press’s sister paper, the Jersey Evening Post, has learnt that offices in the Regus building in Brussels, where the new team is based, cost from 2,500 euros for a two-person office to around 2,900 euros monthly for a three-person one

Read more: http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2011/02/03/brussels-office-bill-doubles-to-400000/#ixzz1D1Nib5Ft

Which part of ‘we haven’t got the money’ is unclear?
This is absolute madness.
Yes, we need representation in Brussels, but not at ‘any cost’.
The rental costs are ~£30,000/year if the JEP is right….so where’s the other £770,000 gone?

Read more: http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2011/02/03/brussels-office-bill-doubles-to-400000/#ixzz1D1NXujdw

Senator Terry Le Sueur said that the joint EU office funded by Jersey and Guernsey was costing each government £400,000, and that Jersey’s share was being provided from his budget.
His department said that it was unable to give a breakdown of how the money will be spent, including how much each of the three officials will be paid.
Article posted on 4th February, 2011 - 2.59pm
Read more: http://www.thisisjersey.com/2011/02/04/brussels-office-costs-800000-a-year/#ixzz1D1PLZdRY

Sorry did you all get that,

His department said that it was unable to give a breakdown of how the money will be spent, including how much each of the three officials will be paid.


To quote  Moot who started this post ( worth reading ) and reminds us we have an international presence all paid for already.

The two new people will have the titles of "director of international tax" and "director of international affairs / deputy director of international finance"


Words simply fail me !
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Not for the first time!