Author Topic: Article in JEP 15/12/08 on Ramsar Site/ Incinerator  (Read 16936 times)

Offline White Knight

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Re: Article in JEP 15/12/08 on Ramsar Site/ Incinerator
« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2009, 04:10:36 PM »
They have known for years that the harbour etc were going to go down to La Collette area. That will become the industrial site for Jersey. The great majority of islanders will not be able to see the site,so all the dirt,rubbish etc.etc. won't be seen. Do you see that? All done for the good of the island and it's majority. Can't argue with that can you. They are there for the good of the majority.


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Re: Article in JEP 15/12/08 on Ramsar Site/ Incinerator
« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2009, 04:12:28 PM »
I just wish someone had put it in such simple terms earlier ! YEssir Got it!

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Re: Article in JEP 15/12/08 on Ramsar Site/ Incinerator
« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2016, 09:50:19 PM »
TTS stocked with scientists, executives and the awful Minister Eddie Noel could not even get a simple nitrate test correct but were quick to reassure islanders that their tax money was being spent wisely and that Jersey's well funded  " TTS Department " new best as professionals in charge of discharges into the sea.


The group issued a report following tests which were carried out this summer and questioned whether the States should warn bathers of the high levels of ammonia and nitrates that were present.

Now, the Environment Department have moved to reassure Islanders that the sea water in the area remains safe.

Eddie Noel was cornered into agreeing with SoS ( Save our shoreline ) and their self funded factual independent report.  How can Jersey have confidence in this disjointed department ? Well done to Senator Ferguson for asking the Minister to prove his department had it right on the floor of the States.

Minister of TTS Eddie Noel. said,

Bailiwick Express

“On average it is four times higher than the limit of 10mg of nitrates per litre that was imposed by the regulator, however it can be over six times higher at certain periods. This stringent standard was introduced in the 1990s and was based on compliance with the European Waste Water Treatment Directive. We have not met those limits,


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Re: Article in JEP 15/12/08 on Ramsar Site/ Incinerator
« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2016, 02:12:37 AM »
Its incredible that the government of this island has now become the enemy.If it is not bad enough that they shaft the local population with taxes so big business doesn't pay,we also have an environment dept that fails in its duty and lies to the populace,we are letting our island be poisoned on all fronts and the pathetic Noel just lies about it.Is this all part of the Council of Ministers masterplan to avoid any negative press at all cost so as to maintain our 'reputation' whether it be for tourism or finance.The thin veneer of respectability of this island is wearing very thin.

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Re: Article in JEP 15/12/08 on Ramsar Site/ Incinerator
« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2016, 03:48:20 PM »
SOS Jersey

October 4, 2016 10:37 am

We have certainly been misquoted!

The article reports the Environment Department were very critical of the figures SOS Jersey used to come to their conclusions on conditions in the Bay. We would like it noted the figures in question were in fact the ones supplied to us by the Environment Department themselves following a Freedom of Information request.

Environment’s own figures confirmed that the DfI are daily exceeding their discharge permit levels by up to six times and have been doing so since 2011, when a caution was issued by the Regulator and then a case file was prepared for the Attorney General, but not pursued. These are simply the facts.

Whilst the discharges of nitrates are way too high (and illegal) we were indeed shocked at the ammonia levels which make up the Total Nitrogen (TN) load. All discharged substances including suspend solids are diluted at high tide and it should be safe to swim in the bay. Whether one would want to, however, is a personal matter.

The main effect of the excess nitrogen being poured into the Bay is that on sea lettuce growth. This problem is something that we would like to work on with both Environment and the DfI to reduce.

You can see the link to our report at the end of this rebuttal.

At no point in the report did we mention the Bay is not suitable for swimming; nor did we mention it was not safe for dog walking, as the Department have also claimed we said. Neither have we ever put up posters saying the beach is not safe for dogs.

During a radio interview, however, one of the team was asked the question about dog walking and swimming in St Aubin’s Bay: she replied one should exercise caution around the outflow itself (which has high nitrates and sometimes high bacterial levels) and also avoid the stacked up, dead sea lettuce (which can release toxic gases if disturbed).

How this was translated by the Department into ‘alarmist’ and ‘SOS Jersey claim the beach is not safe for swimmers and dogs’ escapes us.

We did, however:

1.   Ask why the States are blaming the sea lettuce problem on sea-borne nitrates coming from France

2.   Quote States’ own data showing the excessive levels of nitrogen being discharged into the sea via the Bellozanne outflow at First Tower

3.   Acknowledge a new sewage treatment works is to be built (though this will not be ready for a few years) and that this will assuredly help the matter

4.   Comment that without a population policy, population will continue to grow, meaning the new sewage facility will reach capacity 20-30 years down the line

We are delighted the States are talking with Tony Legg of Jersey Sea Farms, looking at ways to help prevent the sea lettuce blooms, including both the interim measure of using specially ploughed furrows which would help sea lettuce taking hold and trials on the use of Jersey native oysters to bring down nitrate levels enough to avoid the tipping point at which blooms occur.

You can see our reports and posts on our site


SOS Jersey (SOSJ) has spent the summer on the beaches testing outflows on the south and south east coasts and out to sea. We have come across high levels of nitrates, nitrites and ammonia, nearly all coming from the Bellozanne outflow at First Tower, which discharges 18 million gallons of effluent daily on to the shallow, sloping, south-facing beach.


Thanks to SoS members and their efforts to educate the untrustworthy Minister Eddie Noel and his evasive untruthfull department.  The AG decided not to prosecute as not being in the public interest. If the Attorney General feels that prosecuting a department responsible for breaking the law by dumping a cocktail of chemicals into the sea and on to a beach used by the public is of  such little importance, then this clearly begs the question, what is in the public interest ?

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