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Offline Chevalier Blanc

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New hospital
« on: April 11, 2015, 05:52:23 PM »
The new hospital is going to cost another £50m they think. Well don't build the glass box ( finance centre ) that nobody wants which is going to cost £50m and there is your answer.
The establishment are so determined to build this box that you just have to ask yourself what is in it for them personally and using our money to do it.
Will they retire from the states if it all goes pear shaped.
The public need to do a Guernsey and protest on the streets!

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 02:36:48 AM »
So the council of dictators  have told the parishioners of st helier.
 We. Will compulsory purchase your asset. And give you. The old gas works site. .
After we have. Paid the share holders.  With your taxes. . There was a very good comment on Facebook .
About the squander of cash so far to find a site in a area. 9 by 5.
A shocking disregard ,for the people of this island .
 Flatten st saviours. And. Build it there.

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2016, 11:19:14 PM »
Some information already written on PJ. by Gladiator.

http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2281.msg59508#msg59508

JEP.

http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2014/09/24/stroke-patients-suffering-from-neglect-at-overdale/

And why  so expensive ? Another new hospital - " It offers 350 beds, 1,000 parking spaces and 104 staff residencies. All for around £200 million.

" As of today this has now risen to £270 million but serves  a population of 170,000 people. Jersey 100,000 cost over £450 million and rising - what is going on ?

In Dunfries cost per person £1,588.00 cost for the new hospital on Jersey - population per head cost £4,500 does that concern you ? Total cost divided by population size.

http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=451.msg60163#msg60163

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2016, 09:38:42 PM »

Now that is what you call inflation - only on Jersey.

Hospital cost started at £300 million then we were told it was £400 million

Today

Doctors and nurses cannot go on working in an increasingly out-of-date, and badly-maintained hospital building, Health Minister Andrew Green has said as he tries to make the case for an investment of up to £600 million in a new building.

http://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/trying-provide-modern-service-victorian-setting-minister-makes-case-new-hospital/?t=i#.VrIe5Etk_wI

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Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2016, 05:16:22 PM »
Back handers all round i think.
Green was one of the people but now just another minister going along with the power makers.
Just look at the designs they are out of this world, we do not need a building that looks like a spaceship and all that waste of space in the design. What you need is a block soi that space is not wasted. Are they trying to make the hospital look like people's park with all the green on it?
Roll on the elections and the island needs to gear up now to get the idiots out and get people in who will look after us and our money.

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2016, 02:27:11 AM »
Did anyone see the programme recently on the tax haven of the Cayman Islands?There they are going downhill like we are (rich getting richer,poor getting poorer).They also have built a big new shiny hospital,not so much for the local population but more for wealthy health tourists from America.
Is this the secret agenda of our States?
Will the hospital be privatised (as we can't afford to build it),then used by wealthy UK and Euro health tourists,while locals face longer and longer waiting times.
Have you ever wondered why 3 of the 4 shortlisted sites have a nice sea view?Overdale,Peoples Park the Waterfront.
Whats the real agenda?

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2016, 07:10:44 PM »
The more I read and hear about this new hospital debacle, the more I think of ,"The Simpsons/Monorail".

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2016, 02:42:59 AM »
Just read in the JEP the states are thinking of moving from Cyril Le marquand house to near social security and selling Cyril le Marquand for housing.
Why don't they use it for part of the hospital,redevelop the current site and extend into parade gardens in a phased development.This could be our healthcare district

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2016, 05:42:39 AM »
Actually Cyril Le Marquand house is an immense building and as it has all the gold plated services, as the states normally do including computer cabling that is an excellent idea shortport.

Except the case for a new hospital has still not been made yet. They could modernise the old one as they appear to be spending big bucks on it, have a look next time you drive past.

Just a rumour became a fact thanks to the The JEP. BBC and Channel Tv. One week it was they are talking about a new Hospital two months later it was before the states and official. Of course, once all the ministers are told the direction it is mathematically impossible to change direction as Jersey is finding out.

Collective dead brain muppetry in a system that votes in so called independent thinkers.

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Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2016, 03:55:16 PM »
Le Marquand building was meant to be where all the states departments had a office. One stop shop.  Now they want to build where La Mottee School  is. This tells you just how many civil servants there are within the states that do not have an office. Get rid of the under under under managers and all the departments that are not needed and you will have enough space in Le Marquand building.
Just a little history, Senator Le Marquand fought not to have this building there and what do you know after he died what did they call it.

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2016, 03:57:47 PM »
I emailes every states member on the subject of the new hospital and so far all the replies do not want it on People's Park.

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2017, 12:37:57 AM »
Jersey’s planned costs for a new hospital are £466m with estimated total costs incl. interest payments of £900m  for a catchment area of 103000  people VERSUS the costs of the planned new Liverpool Royal Hospital of £429m for 750000 people needing the specialist services for a catchment area of 2 million people!

Just compare!

How on earth did Jersey’s Department of Health and its Minister Andrew Green get their sums together???? Their money wasting incompetency with serious consequences for the Jersey people is just so in your face. To top that their elected Treasury Minister Senator Alan Maclean snubbed the request by Deputy John Le Fondre, Chairman of the Corporate Services Scrutiny Panel for more time to investigate how Jersey’s new multi-million pound hospital build is going to be funded!

But that must be The Jersey Way again! Arrogance par excellence!

http://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/treasury-snubs-scrutiny-hospital-proposals/?t=i#.WHu0TMd2hqg

The New Royal Liverpool Hospital will get for their money:

•   646 beds, including a 40-bed Intensive Therapy Unit.
•   18 state-of-the-art theatres
•   23 wards and units, including a large clinical research facility.
•   The Emergency Department  which treats 172.000 patients will be one of
   the biggest in the north-west with a CT scanner and special lifts for major
   trauma patients, which go straight to theatres.

http://www.rlbuht.nhs.uk/The%20New%20Royal/Documents/New-Royal-Carillion-Newsletter.pdf

http://www.rlbuht.nhs.uk/The%20New%20Royal/Pages/New-Royal-overview.aspx


What will Jersey’s people get for their borrowed and tax paid money?

Will the General Hospital or the Department of Health or the Treasury put on line the finance plans and up dates like the New Royal Liverpool Hospital?

http://www.rlbuht.nhs.uk/The%20New%20Royal/Pages/Financing-New-Royal.aspx

As the Jersey Way does not allow transparency and accountability we all know the answers. Will Deputy Le Fondre challenge the CoM next week, I hope he will and that the cameras are all on Treasury Minister Maclean!
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Re: New hospital
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2017, 03:55:43 PM »

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Re: New hospital
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2017, 05:16:44 AM »
The Royal Sussex County Hospital is undergoing a £486 million programme since 2016 to revamp their hospital by replacing all the buildings on the front of the main hospital site.

Similar amount of money the Jersey Government wants to borrow and spend for the new Jersey General. But again compare what you can get for that money for a much bigger population and more specialised services:

The Royal Sussex County Hospital is an acute teaching hospital in Brighton and is administered by the Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals NHS Trust. The work will happen in three stages and will take nine years to complete.The TRUST provides local acute services to a population of 484,000 but the catchment population for specialist services such as cancer and brain surgery , etc is much wider between 1.2 – 1.4 million people!

The £486 million project to modernise Brighton and Hove’s biggest and busiest hospital will be funded directly by the government by paid taxes and not by “Private Finance Initiative” PFI deals which are well known now to be too high financial risk.

https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/09/Economic-case.pdf.

This information  and more is all in public domain and easy to access through the internet thanks to their great hospital website where the outline of the business case is clearly defined and accessible.

https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/about-us/hospital-redevelopment/technical-documents-and-drawings/#6

https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/09/Chapter-2-Introduction-to-the-Trust.pdf

Senator Andrew Green, Senator Alan Maclean and the Hospital's senior management should be ashamed to demand such a serious amount of money of £466m which is expected to rise to £900 million which needs to be borrowed,   WHY?  Jersey's population is much smaller, the hospital offers less specialised services but has no provision for the increasing aging population. I can only think of self-interest or massive incompetency by being ripped off for ridiculous unrealistic planning and wages?
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Re: New hospital
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2017, 04:25:25 AM »
New Hospital - £17m spent already and still no final decisions
Thursday 12 October 2017


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Obtaining external advice was the largest cost by a significant margin at £9,052,420.65 as of August 2017. That advice spanned the areas of technical, legal, financial and procurement issues - it's not clear whether some of that money has been spent putting together plans for the proposed 'bond' which may form part of the hospital funding package.

https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/17million-spent-and-still-no-decisions-future-hospital/#.Wd_avMegdqg

Scandalous and the Jersey way!

Here is the full version of the FOI request regarding the future hospital costs and the response by the States of Jersey :

​Request

The P.110/2016 report said that the costs incurred prior to detailed proposals being lodged on the Future Hospital are expected to be £27million, involving "the full 2016 costs and approximately half of the 2017 costs”.

Please kindly confirm if this figure is indeed accurate as of September 2017 and provide a breakdown of how this has been spent.

Response
The extract included in the question is within paragraph 6.3 of the report accompanying P.110/2016. The full paragraph is set out below:

6.3 It is proposed that the outcome of the detailed development and design work should be brought back to the States Assembly before the summer recess in 2017. The costs advised as requiring to be incurred prior to the detailed proposals being lodged are approximately £27 million, and involve the full 2016 costs and approximately half of the 2017 costs. The detail will be set out within the project brief and execution plan. These costs involve funding the development of the project brief for the new approach, undertaking the necessary further site assessment studies to inform project costing, completing the activity assessments and plans, developing the concept design, proposed procurement strategy and outline planning submission, tendering for a construction partner, completing the concept design and commencing the construction of relocation works, as well as producing the overall project execution plan.

The project has progressed broadly in accordance with the anticipated actions set out in the above paragraph, as detailed in the points below:

• The project brief and execution plan are complete
• Site assessment works for the preferred site are in train
• Activity assessments have concluded and inform the completed Outline Business Case
• The concept design to RIBA Stage 2 for the main hospital is complete
• The procurement strategy is complete
• An outline planning application has been submitted
• The tendering process for a construction partner is in train
• The various relocation works packages are in train.

As of 31 August 2017, costs totalling £17,392,250.97 have been incurred on the Future Hospital Project. These costs can be summarised as follows:

​Summary costs   £​
​Pre-feasibility and feasibility work   ​576,525.33
​Internal client costs   ​                     1,380,356.35
​External advisors                        ​9,052,420.65
​Stakeholder engagement   ​                132,430.36
​Property   ​                                        216,765.17
​Offsite preliminary works   ​              5,445,987.67
​Relocation works                            ​375,515.44
​Planning fees   ​                                 212,250.00

Total expenditure to 31/8/2017   ​17,392,250.97

The forecast costs to be incurred by the end of 2017 are within the currently allocated budget.


https://www.gov.je/Government/Pages/StatesReports.aspx?ReportID=3173


Just bonkers!




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