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A Better Jersey / Re: The Electoral Reform Commission
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on Today at 08:32:39 AM »
The States will today rubber stamp another future car crash of a law - the Draft Referendum (Jersey) Law 201- (P.4/2017) - link below:

This pandora's box of a law will cause us all no end of anguish in years to come because it creates the ideal environment that will encourage even more public referenda to be held in future than have ever been held in the past. As if the great Jersey sham referendum of 2013 and the disaster that was the UK's Brexit referendum last year hadn't already taught us of the huge dangers of trusting white van man to sort out complicated and far-reaching constitutional questions - now they want him to sort out loads more controversial issues in the future!  ::)

Mark my words- we will see at least one referendum - possibly several - happening every year or so once it becomes law, because they are creating - yes, wait for it - another Commission (with 5 suitably suited and booted members who will obviously be the best pals of States Members, Julian Rogers where are you?) to oversee the holding of future referenda. Obviously if you are going to go to the lengths of creating a fully-fledged Commission for this purpose then the natural result is that you will end up holding regular referenda in order to justify the expense of creating and running the Commission - in other words it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The Commission will operate as all other States-appointed Commissions operate - designed to give the external appearance of being independent and impartial while really being just an obedient political organ of the politicians who created it. The Commission will then have the power to designate a "lead campaign group" to fight the arguments on behalf of each side in a referendum. My first thought, given that Commission members will just be enforcing the will of existing States Members, is what types of people will be fronting these campaign groups that the Commission will end up giving approval to? Without doubt, it will mostly be States Members and their supporters, just as it always has been in the past. What we will end up with is the public having to go to the polls regularly to sort out arguments between different factions of States Members who can't sort out the issues amongst themselves in the States Chamber. Every time a States Member realises that he hasn't got enough support within the House to get his proposition adopted, he/she will try to get it put to the electors in a referendum. This could have harmful consequences.

For example, I can foresee someone like Deputy Jacqueline Hilton trying to put 'populist' issues to a referendum which are just too extreme to gain majority support in the House but might possibly get over the line in a public referendum where many voters are not sophisticated enough to weigh up the pros and cons and don't realise when supposed facts are actually lies. Take the issue of alcoholics on income support; she has repeatedly made clear her views about this to successive Social Security Ministers - that is the type of emotive subject that would struggle to get majority support in the Chamber but might possibly win a typically one-sided, unbalanced referendum where there is no effective or credible opposing voices.

We could end up with all types of dangerously xenophobic and divisive minority issues being put directly to the voters that at the very least will help to marginalise certain groups and create added tension within the community. I truly fear for where this Referendum law might lead us. We have already seen how the Brexit referendum resulted in a spike in all sorts of racist incidents as well as the murder of a serving MP. Just by raising the issues associated with Brexit, some people felt they were finally free to say things in the street that they wouldn't have said before Brexit. If we get a similar situation occurring here, the atmosphere could be even more toxic given how many different ethnic groups have to share a very congested little island. The last thing we need is a sh*t-stirrer sticking her oar in.

I notice that the proposition says nothing about whether referenda held under the new law will continue to be merely advisory, which I presume they will be. If so, that would mean that we could still end up with the same situation of the Assembly refusing to enact the result of a referendum, as (thankfully) happened after the great sham referendum. If it was not advisory, I would argue that this would create a constitutional dilemma which would threaten the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy. That is why I presume they intend to keep future referenda as merely advisory rather than binding ... but do they? 

There is also not a word about any minimum voter turnout below which the result of the referendum would automatically be void. So we would still have the ridiculous possibility of States Members trying to enact into law the result of a referendum which had an unacceptably low turnout, as was the case with the great sham referendum of 2013 (turnout = 26%).

Finally, I also notice that the draft law prevents States Members and persons holding "any paid office or employment in the service of the States or of any administration of the States" (or a Parish) from being Commissioners. However, that would still appear to allow employees/ Directors of any outsourced States entitities (such as Andium, the JDC, etc.) to take up Commission posts as second jobs while still continuing with their main Quango jobs. That is no surprise to me as many of the biggest government cronies are sitting on these Quango boards and States Members will want to see the same individuals sitting on the future Referendum Commission as well.
Child Abuse Enquiry / Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Last post by GeeGee on Yesterday at 08:44:45 PM »
I have managed to access the relevant pages by typing 'Secrecy, Law and Society book Stuart Syvret' You are then able to read all pages relating to this part of the book.

I agree that morally we perhaps should be buying the book, but it is quite expensive and something I can't afford at the moment, but happy to chip in with any who would also wish to have a read. At least it will be available to see as a hard copy and in black and white.

I have briefly glanced through until I have more time and agree it will not make happy reading for the powers that be. Not before time either.

Thank you Gladiator for finding this.

Child Abuse Enquiry / Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Last post by boatyboy on Yesterday at 04:19:46 PM »

Yes indeed it is well hidden in Google,

Type Stuart Syvret into Google.

I found the  " Secrecy, Law and Society " book review / preview on page 5 of Google  you may find it on page 6 or 7. Most people me included, only ever use page 1 or 2 of the search engine.

Jersey has its own section, and they want you to buy the book so some pages maybe not be available but much is and remember this is researched work by professionals with reference tabs right the way through.

All credit to " gladiator " they must be some researcher to have pulled this one out of the woods.

Child Abuse Enquiry / Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Last post by shortport on Yesterday at 04:49:56 AM »
I don't seem to be able to read the pages relating to Jersey on that link.?Maybe someone can copy and post them.
Child Abuse Enquiry / Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Last post by boatyboy on Yesterday at 03:20:23 AM »


The Book is an academic work called

 " Secrecy, Law and Society "

It has a section about Jersey warts and all, go to Gladiators post above he / she provides a link: An excellent read profiling many well known names.

Child Abuse Enquiry / Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Last post by shortport on Yesterday at 12:48:34 AM »
Where can I read this article?
Child Abuse Enquiry / Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Last post by boatyboy on Yesterday at 12:36:56 AM »
Probably the strongest and most damaging post on planetjersey so far this year, to those so called spivs, suits and incompetents'.

If Australian scholars have taken an interest on secret trials, the islands justice system, child abuse the stealing of Graham Powers ( expolice chiefs ) work contract from his locked office security cabinet ( which contained a clause ordering the states to pay for legal representation should it be needed ) plus the only copy went missing from the states HR department, I should mention this is not actually mentioned in the book chapter that is open to read.

The powers on Jersey would be stupid to think that no other academics are taking an interest in an introvert islands double faced dealing and smoke and mirrors Government.

Knowledge is as they say power, will Emma Martin from data protection be taking these Australians to a ( secret ) court ?  ;)

Child Abuse Enquiry / Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Last post by HG on March 26, 2017, 02:46:08 PM »
The former Dean, Reverend Bob Key, who was paid off to leave Jersey and who has a safeguarding complaint against him at Bath and Wells went even further and instructed his Deanery to avoid contact with alleged abuse victims.
it is funny how quietly he 'resigned' to take other positions, and how vague it all was. The massive whitewash he was involved in remains unquestioned.
Except by me, I go on questioning why I was destroyed publicly on his behalf for three years.
Child Abuse Enquiry / Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Last post by gladiator on March 26, 2017, 07:48:45 AM »
Published British book scrutinised  The Jersey Child Abuse  inquiry by practising Australian barristers, researchers and Senior lecturers  of Socio-legal studies and in the faculty of law at the University of Sydney.

Secrecy, Law and Society – 2 June 2015
edited by Greg Martin, Rebecca Scott Bray, Miiko Kumar

Secret isle? Making Sense of the Jersey child abuse scandal. (pp 251 – 272 )

This book chapter about Jersey’s secrecy culture is not light reading for the judiciary, civil servants, politicians , the news media, the finance centre and church leaders of Jersey but supports the information published by the blogs of Rico Sorda, Voiceforchildren, Stuart Syvret, Leah Mcgrath Goodman.

Ex Senator Stuart Syvret’s role as a whistleblower and victim of Jersey’s unusual data protection law interpretation, Mr Power’s suspension,  the Jersey States Members voting to keep the tape secret regarding the debate about Mr Power’s suspension, the  conflicted roles of the Bailhache brothers, Victoria College abuse, Jimmy Savile at Haut de la Garenne, the Jersey’s Nazi past and link to London city are just a few of the interesting issues the authors have researched and put into context. They have not shied away to link Jersey’s “secrecy culture”to other international institutional child sexual abuse scandals and writing about corruption and cover-ups. They even quote the Dean of Jersey, Very Rev Robert Key who warned of “ over-inquisitiveness, false sensationalism and prurient curiosity” in his prayer.

One of their conclusions was the need of the news media to play the critical public interest role in scrutinising the police and political authority which the State’s media has clearly failed to do.

In my humble opinion this book of law professionals underlies that there is substance to the concern of a white wash of the Jersey Child Abuse inquiry.


"Lawyers, scholars and most certainly journalists and feature writers doing research in any of these areas will find this book, with its extensive and meticulous footnoting, a treasure trove of references to follow up as interesting and authoritative avenues for further enquiry. What is especially refreshing about the book is its plain-speaking and quite often hard-hitting approach to the various aspects of this topic about which the individual contributors have strong views. As a contribution to the ongoing debate on the often insoluble problems inherent in issues of secrecy, security, free speech and the law, this book with its diversity of opinion is first class." - Phillip Taylor MBE, Richmond Green Chambers
A Better Jersey / Re: Le Pen meets her Russian sugar daddy
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on March 25, 2017, 07:31:26 AM »
This photo opportunity in Moscow with her string puller Vlad will surely sink her election boat for good:

There can be no doubt now that the Russians are trying to influence the French presidential election in her favour and my personal opinion is that this will not go down well with undecided French voters... but what do I know!
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