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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #165 on: October 19, 2015, 08:21:34 PM »
SHOULD THE BAILIFF BE REPLACED BY AN ELECTED SPEAKER ?

According to Deputy Tadier even ministers support his view that the unelected Bailiff acting as speaker of the assembly should be replaced and an elected individual take his place. Off course if this were to be the case should he still receive around £305,000 pounds a year or should that be halved ?

Shoud the unelected Dean who is Governments number one lobbyist also be removed while they are at saving the taxpayer £26,000 a year plus invites to many grand and VIP cocktail parties. To be fair he does not have a vote but does have a say.

How can Jersey call itself a modern democracy when the head of the judiciary ( carrying out laws passed in the assembly ) also sit as speaker in the assembly deciding on which questions may be asked by a politician,  who may or may not speak and for how long. The latest twist is that you must not use the name  "Jesus Christ" in your narrative or be sent out of the assembly like a school boy or girl although you are democratically elected.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #166 on: October 19, 2015, 11:07:23 PM »
The bailiff,should not be ruler of the house .
 And if the taxpayer. Saved a£150,000 maybe. The public could have another orthopaedic surgeon.
The Dean  should not be there either, unless we see other religions represented in a fair and even manner.
Democracy,in jersey  the jersey way.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #167 on: October 20, 2015, 04:26:13 PM »
If the bailiff were to come out of the states then he should have a lower salary because he is losing part of his job. Or have a pay free for 5 years.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #168 on: October 20, 2015, 05:27:29 PM »
Just now in the states bailache is still asking for a public gallery. What the bloody planet is this fool on does he still not get it thsat the island has no money for such things. He just not gives a s**t about the people of this island only the rich and the circle that he lives within.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #169 on: October 21, 2015, 01:36:36 AM »
Philip Bailhache has got too much power and I believe its gone to his head.  What gives him the god given right to quieten Montford Tadier who is a representative of the voting public, not to bring up a very valid point about Jesus representing the common man, which is a darn site more that PB has ever done. 

What really saddens and annoys me is how much of the child abuse has cost the taxpayer and a huge amount of it has gone to PB and his cronies - and he was also responsible for giving bad advice to an abused victim, i.e. don't bother pressing charges, the consequence of that was tragic.

About time a vote of no confidence was brought again him - yeah, I know it will never happen, his too powerful, but  in a real democratic government it would. 

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #170 on: October 21, 2015, 04:24:22 AM »
Those who profit from the child abuse inquiry,should be ashamed .
Would feel that the money was tainted, cursed even.

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #171 on: October 28, 2015, 07:55:21 PM »
Thanks to citizens media, and people like Proff Tony who writes researched articles, we find that the role of Bailiff or in the States Assembly it is " he that should be obeyed "  becomes a subject for open discussion and the spreading on knowledge even in what some comentators refer to as a closed feudal system.

For foreign readers this is based on the Bailiff being unelected and given the job by letters patent from the Queen as are several other high offices,  thus Jersey is a Crown Dependency.

For instance I have learnt today, that there is no appeal to the speakers ( bailiffs ) decision.

Part of an interesting article, Quote:

"At present the Bailiff is responsible for approving requests from Members when lodging questions, both oral and written, propositions, amendments and making personal statements. If the Bailiff rejects the requests there is no ability to appeal against that decision. I have personal experience and the current arrangements should not continue."

Thanks and all credit to tonymusings. The rest can be read by clicking on link.

http://tonymusings.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/the-terminological-inexactitude-of-sir.html

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #172 on: December 01, 2016, 09:22:43 PM »
 As below put up twice.
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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #173 on: January 05, 2017, 12:45:58 AM »
Having a read through Hansard regarding the debate on removing the Bailiff as speaker of the assembly three short speeches caught my eye.

I thought they may be of interest, as they are just so full of common sense.

Deputy Higgins

Every time this Assembly has addressed this issue, there is always someone trying to sabotage the proposition: whether it be an amendment or a refer-back, or this, that and the other. 

I am amazed that the people who are the ones doing it today are some of those who, for the last few years, have been saying: “Oh, we believe that there should be a separation of the powers.  We believe that the Bailiff should not be in the Assembly.”  They always seem to be the same ones that keep on putting it off.  We have got the Constable of St. Helier; probably when he was a Deputy he was arguing the case for the separation of power, but it never comes to pass. 

We have got Senator Ozouf, another one who, again, is supposed to have had the view that there should be the separation of powers, but always there is something that is wrong with this. The Assembly has got until May 2018 if this Assembly is going to decide this issue.  To be perfectly honest, I think if we delay the debate today and give a steer, perhaps, to P.P.C., it will never be done in this Assembly by the Members that are here.  I believe that we should go ahead.  All I can say is I am just appalled.  It is just another wrecking attempt, and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Deputy Martin

 I love my Constable of St. Helier, but he has the gall to stand here today and tell me he does not know what his public wants.  Since this has been lodged, we have had 6 Parish Assemblies.  Did the Constable think to put it on? 

Did the Constable of any Parish think in their Assemblies:

“Oh, this is coming up.  It is a massive constitutional change that the Deputy of St. Brelade is proposing.”  Not one.  This is why I am told we keep the Constables: “Because
they have their ears very close to the ground. 

They meet their parishioners at their Parish Assemblies.  They come to the Rates Assemblies, they come and tell them when they are not happy about something.”  So if, from 24th May, you - sorry, they are all sitting to the right of me - had wanted any indication, why did you not put it to your Parish Assemblies?  But to come here today and say: “Oh, I have got no idea.  People are not really phoning up.”  No, because they are going down to food banks, or they cannot get on the housing list and they are really ...

Deputy Tadier

It would be nice if the Chief Minister, in particular, could use his great enthusiasm for this urgent democratic change that needs to happen to finally support this proposition rather than finding ways to stall it.


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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #174 on: March 28, 2017, 04:23:03 PM »

Democracy on Jersey the " Jersey Way "  The Queen should be ashamed that in this age, Jersey has to undergo this farce of democracy, by one of her appointed chosen ones.

Part of an article - Quote:

The Jersey Evening Post has highlighted a perennial problem with the role of the Bailiff. Despite protestations that the Bailiff has no vote and no power other than that of Speaker, in fact he has the power to veto questions and propositions from members.

Propositions should, as Deputy Higgins himself mentioned, meet three tests -to be lawful, to corresponds with Standing Orders and not to be detrimental to States business. What emerged was that the Standing Orders make it plain that a Member has no right to lodge a proposition or indeed ask a question without the leave of the Bailiff.

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http://tonymusings.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/time-to-remove-bailiffs-veto.html

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Re: The Bailiff of Jersey,
« Reply #175 on: Today at 04:39:03 PM »
How do you send out signals of desperation to save your £330,000 a year wage packet, your title of first Citizen and that large expense account ?You write a letter to the Chief Minister  agreeing with your brother and ex Bailiff Phil. Bailhache ( whom did not want a child abuse enquiry and spoke against ) that the care enquiry are wrong and so is Napier et al. The rolls of chief judge and speaker in the house are politically neutral and should remain.

To every thinking politician, I would suggest Bailhache the bailiff, has just lost the debate ( that he should not be taking part in ) and for those in the assembly it is clear that the rolls should be split.

Bailiwick Express.

But, in a letter to Senator Ian Gorst and the Council of Ministers, excerpts of which are included in a proposition which is expected to be lodged by the Privileges and Procedures Committee later today, the Bailiff explains why he believes it would be a bad idea to split his job in two.

He describes the inquiry’s recommendation 7 as ‘illogical and unnecessary’. And concludes by writing: “I should be grateful for your assurance that you will not take the line that the Care Enquiry’s Recommendation 7 is a reason for supporting the proposition of Deputy Tadier, or indeed for re-visiting the issue of the Bailiff’s role generally.”

One of the committee’s members, Deputy Sam Mezec, says the Bailiff’s intervention is totally unwarranted and goes to underline why the role should be split. He claims it shows that despite the Bailiff claiming to be apolitical, he is playing an active role in politics.

Deputy Mézec says: “The Speaker of a Parliament is meant to be politically impartial and it is totally inappropriate for an unelected judge to attempt to influence how an elected Chief Minister argues for the implementation of his political policies. The Chief Minister is perfectly entitled to choose to act upon the recommendations of a £23m inquiry, and it is not the place of a Speaker to try to influence him one way or another.

https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/news/bailiff-criticised-undermining-findings-abuse-inquiry/#.WZqiEkvGPLQ

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