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A Better Jersey / Re: The Electoral Reform Commission
« Last post by Fritz on May 20, 2017, 10:03:09 PM »
In an Island as small as this, there should be no need for MORI polls, to gauge public opinion on any subject.
All, "The powers that be", should have to do is get out and about with their ears open for a week or so.
Then again, that would probably be too cheap and common for all our ,"Impotent", high flyers.

Guy from Barbados walking down street wearing top-hat and tails and carrying a cane is stopped by his mate and is asked, "Whats with the fancy threads brother?"
"I just been to see my docta,and he says I,m impotent so I,m goddamme gonna look impotent, "  ;)
A Better Jersey / Re: The Electoral Reform Commission
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on May 20, 2017, 05:03:43 AM »
You were lucky to get the call Fritz. As I pointed out in my previous post, it seems that people like me and thousands of others are probably automatically excluded from these phone surveys. Maybe they'll try to call you back if that many hung up the first time. It would be interesting to know whether they're asking the respondents for details of their occupation and perhaps the approximate household income. Without this information they can't even attempt to get a representative cross-section of the community so don't be surprised or offended if they ask. They should ask for your approximate age and gender as well.
A Better Jersey / Re: The Electoral Reform Commission
« Last post by Fritz on May 20, 2017, 12:34:50 AM »
I got a call last night, (On my JT mobile number), at 17:40HRS from, 0131-561-4532, claiming that they were carrying out a MORI poll on behalf of The States of Jersey.
I asked the guy which department and he said he didn,t know.
Like most folk would, I simply hung up thinking it was some sort of scam call.
How the heck was this supposed to gather any real information on public opinion?
A Better Jersey / Re: The Electoral Reform Commission
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on May 19, 2017, 07:50:05 PM »
Apparently there were no more than a dozen members of the public at the Town Hall on Wednesday for the Corporate Services Scrutiny Panel consultation.  :-[ I presume that number doesn't include the usual States Members who always attend these events religiously. Did the States Members outnumber the general public? I would have thought it likely that they did if you include the ones on the Scrutiny Panel itself.

There were apparently about 50 people at Tuesday night's meeting in St Saviour, of which nearly a third were States Members.

The whole thing is being rushed through as fast as possible to get something down in writing in time for the States meeting on 6th June. I heard from last night's JEP (very small thumb-size article) that the Panel will be interviewing Len Norman and Lord Bailhache (the latter being the brains behind the great sham referendum of 2013) this afternoon. So less than a day's notice to the public.

Now we hear today that MORI have been randomly calling members of the public to question them on the (already approved) reforms but because the Panel did not make this information widely known, some people who have been called have presumed, quite sensibly, that the caller was not genuine. More details here:

This is ironic because I have said for years that the most accurate indications of what the public really wanted was recorded in those MORI surveys carried out on different occasions during the last decade. However, the States Members themselves did not agree with some of the public's views expressed in those surveys which conflicted with policies they had already secretly decided to adopt (e.g. extending the term of office for Deputies and Constables from 3 years to 4 years) and so the results of those surveys have been quietly buried and no new surveys carried out, to avoid potential further embarrassment.

However, this new survey has been commissioned at lightning speed with obviously very little thought put in by the Scrutiny Panel as to what questions should be asked. If the questions you ask aren't good enough then the answers won't be good enough either. This survey should have been commissioned in 2013 rather than have that 26% zero credibility sham referendum. Such a survey would have had to give the public a proper chance to say that they didn't agree with any of the Bailhache reform options and to explain exactly why they didn't agree. In that way, a properly conducted MORI survey in 2013 would have included the views of the majority of the electorate who either failed to cast a vote or, like myself, spoiled their ballot papers. It would have been far more representative of public opinion than a 26% sham referendum which, even to this day, Mezec regards as the one and only poll that the States Assembly must obey.

Just one more thing: I presume that MORI must be contacting these interviews with owners of JT landlines and JT mobile numbers listed in the JT telephone directory. 15 years ago this would not have been so much of an issue as anyone in Jersey with a telephone number would have been listed unless they were ex-directory. Today it is very different and a very large number of islanders no longer have landlines and instead only have mobile numbers with networks which don't publish a directory. It would seem that all these people are automatically excluded from MORI's telephone survey and this is a concern. It could make it more difficult for MORI to obtain a representative cross section of public opnion if the survey mainly contacts landline numbers, for example. People with landlines might well be older, more traditionalist voters and in my opinion, the reason that many have given up landlines over the past decade in favour of mobiles is the cost. This is certainly the case with me. If it was just as cheap to have a landline than to have a mobile then I might never have given up my landline a decade ago. The concern is therefore that people on low incomes are not being adequately represented in these snap telephone surveys.

EU & UK News / Re: UK General Election 7th May 2015 and its consequences
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on May 18, 2017, 08:12:43 PM »
Another UK General Election and another Tory manifesto full of promises soon to be broken.

Please read the disclaimer at the bottom before voting!  ;D  ;)
General Discussion / Re: ozouf not guilty
« Last post by shortport on May 17, 2017, 03:34:54 AM »
I do quite a bit of work for a high net worth individual,while I obviously don't discuss his own tax affairs his opinion is that 0/10 is crazy and doesn't get the logic behind it.How can you run a society with companies not paying any tax at all.We sunk to the bottom of the barrel making it 0%,probably a kneejerk reaction to the financial crash,thinking finance will flee our shores.We need to look at it again,i'm sure if it was 1-5% tax we might have a few companies leave but the majority would stay.
A Better Jersey / Re: The Electoral Reform Commission
« Last post by Jerry Gosselin on May 16, 2017, 07:56:26 PM »
Expect a big turnout of Reform Jersey goons at the Town Hall tomorrow night to support the failed Powergate electoral reforms ahead of yet another States debate set for 6th June:

I can't imagine why a Scrutiny Panel has chosen now of all times to conduct a half-hearted attempt at a consultation when a definite decision has already been taken. Surely everyone in the island with any view on the subject has already contributed to the myriad of consultations, opinion polls and referenda that have taken place over the past decade or more. The vast majority, if not all, of the people attending one of these five public meetings will merely be re-stating their existing views and possibly a majority of them will be either present or past States Members who have participated in past debates. Nothing that we don't already know can possibly come out of it. Furthermore, if, as expected, supporters of the Powergate proposition are in the majority, what are States Members supposed to do? Change the way they voted only 3 months ago based on the views of a few dozen people shouting the loudest at these meetings?

The reforms, whether they be the Powergate or Farnham versions, will result in all parishes apart from St Helier having to share their own Deputies with neighbouring parishes, thereby diluting the representation of individual parishes in the States and making parishes more reliant on their own Constables to defend parish interests in the Assembly. However, these meetings are only being held in 5 out of 12 parishes. So the parishioners of Grouville will have their say at a meeting next Monday, yet the parishioners of St Clement, who will in future have to share their Deputies with Grouville (and possibly with St Martin too depending on which version becomes law), get no meeting of their own and presumably are expected to go to Grouville parish hall if they want to express their views.

Terrible waste of everyone's time.
General Discussion / lee henry
« Last post by Chevalier Blanc on May 16, 2017, 06:19:51 PM »
What the hell was he paid £185,000 for?
The states are not allowed to give bonuses because it is public money.  So i take it by setting up a standoff office like the JDC and you have directors then you can pay bonus. Now who are the directors???  I take it there are some states members getting their director fees.
The public really need to take to the streets in a very big way to get this CoM's out of the states and have an early election.
General Discussion / Re: ozouf not guilty
« Last post by Chevalier Blanc on May 16, 2017, 05:55:51 PM »
Collective accountability, so why didn't the whole of the CoM's resign?
They have to vote together unless you are bailhache so they should have resigned.
General Discussion / Re: ozouf not guilty
« Last post by boatyboy on May 16, 2017, 04:31:48 PM »

If you move to Jersey and qualify for residency you can leave all your wealth ( say for arguments sake £7 million in assets and cash ) to your family friends whoever. In the UK you will be hit with 40% inheritance tax after about £328,000.

Any way you get the drift, who wants to give the tax man around 40% of your lifes earnings or as per the example £2.8 million. There are immigrants far wealthier than just £7 mill.

Plus they may have kids and want a safe place for their family to grow up in especially after recent terrorist act's in cities. Would they pay more tax to live on Jersey ? Of course they would, when you are that wealthy you expect to pay some tax.

It is just the politicians who are miss guided and selling Jersey cheap so that the low and middle earners get the brunt but not the relief.

Senior Civil servants know the wealthy want to protect their wealth but their families are extremly important, it is just Ozouf and his tribe that put the very rich before their own islanders. Off the mark as usual in the distorted, golf playing, Africa visiting, living in London ivory tower grand all important imaginary world of Jerseys" small core of idiot politicians, mainly found amongest the minister benches.

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