Further to the JEP headline publishing the fact that the Bosdet Foudation are deserting the West Park Pool, Where does this leave the St Helier Rate Payers as the Constable has pledged £25,000 a year of rate payers money to be spent on maintenance ? The Short Report as written. The Tide tables are put in simply to confirm which days the pool is suitable for use. It is not complicated but may look confusing.
This is reply 24. If you want the further information please go to Reply 1 and also read about the views of others including politicians.
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April 10th 2014. By email.
Dear Mr Horsfall,
Thank you for your frank and open telephone call last evening, regarding the refurbishment of the West Park Pool which you wish to see rebuilt and updated with a view to opening up the use for St Helier residents’ and all to enjoy.
I understand that your good self and Constable Crowcroft have been very keen to promote this dream which is commendable but in reality is it viable and workable ?
I wrote over a year and a half ago warning of the implications and problems associated with this project and would hate to see Constable Crowcroft and yourself in the unenviable position of the naïve people behind the fantasy film, which was given a grant of taxpayers money which now appears lost.
When I spoke with Constable Crowcroft’s secretary it was interesting that she mentioned like yourself, that this refurbishment plan had gone through a panel of experts and professionals. This suggests that the questions asked below have all received satisfying answers and you are both comfortable in the position you now take.
The bottom line is not complicated at all. With such a large financial cost how many days will the pool be available for the public and organisations to make full use of ?
These are the essential questions regarding the feasibility of the project which it is hoped will have all be addressed. I strongly suggest that you seek the further advice of the harbour office and statistics department people to give you a professional evaluation of the subject and more accurate figures, if they have not done so already.
Questions that need clear answers.
1) How many months of the year will the pool be utilised ?
2) How many days of those months will activities be carried on ?
3) How many days are available for activities primarily in the summer months when the pool is “ not “ covered by the tide?
4) How reliant is the facility on good weather .
5) What other locations around Jersey could offer similar activity. If they do not, why not ?
For the pool to be used it is preferable that tide should be falling ( ebb ) and not coming in ( flooding ) . It would be use full to measure at what height of tide the walls flood for further analysis. I suggest that if the tide is low at say 1.00 pm on any given day this would be the ideal scenario to fully utilise the facility. It is a fact that the pool is built a reasonable way down the beach and has relatively low walls, and will therefore flood quicker than its sister pool at Havre des Pas. Further more high and low pressure will have an effect on the tide.
It is obvious that howling gales will not be beneficial therefore it follows that the outside pool is also weather reliant for some activities. .
It is envisaged that a selection of different groups interested in different water sports or activities will wish to use the facility. .
Jersey tide table for August 2014. Y= tide out, pool not flooded at convenient day time.
Date High Height (M) High Height (M) Low Height (M) Low Height (M)
1 10:13 9.8 22:23 9.8 04:33 2.3 16:47 2.5
2 10:43 9.4 22:56 9.3 05:04 2.7 17:20 3.0
3 11:18 8.9 23:36 8.8 05:37 3.1 17:58 3.4
4 12:04 8.5 ** ** 06:18 3.6 18:48 3.8
5 00:33 8.4 13:14 8.2 07:17 3.9 20:01 4.0
6 01:53 8.2 14:42 8.4 08:39 4.0 21:27 3.7
7 03:21 8.5 16:04 9.0 10:06 3.5 22:46 3.0
8 Y 04:39 9.2 17:12 9.8 11:21 2.8 23:55 2.2
9 Y 05:44 10.0 18:12 10.6 12:25 2.0 ** **
10 Y 06:42 10.7 19:06 11.3 00:57 1.5 13:24 1.4
11 Y 07:33 11.3 19:55 11.8 01:54 0.8 14:18 0.9
12 Y 08:21 11.7 20:42 12.0 02:45 0.4 15:06 0.6
13 09:06 11.7 21:26 11.9 03:33 0.3 15:51 0.6
14 09:48 11.5 22:07 11.5 04:15 0.5 16:33 0.9
15 10:27 11.0 22:47 10.7 04:55 0.9 17:12 1.5
16 11:05 10.2 23:26 9.8 05:33 1.7 17:50 2.3
17 11:44 9.4 ** ** 06:10 2.6 18:31 3.1
18 00:10 8.9 12:33 8.6 06:54 3.4 19:24 3.8
19 01:11 8.1 13:45 8.0 07:54 4.1 20:40 4.2
20 02:41 7.8 15:18 8.0 09:17 4.3 22:09 4.1
21 04:09 8.1 16:35 8.5 10:39 3.9 23:21 3.5
22 Y 05:12 8.7 17:30 9.2 11:42 3.4 ** **
05:59 9.3 18:13 9.7 00:13 3.0 12:30 2.8
24 Y 06:39 9.8 18:51 10.2 00:57 2.5 13:10 2.4
25 Y 07:15 10.1 19:26 10.5 01:35 2.1 13:47 2.1
26 Y 07:48 10.4 19:57 10.6 02:09 1.9 14:21 1.9
27 Y 08:18 10.5 20:28 10.7 02:42 1.8 14:53 1.8
28 08:48 10.6 20:58 10.7 03:12 1.7 15:23 1.8
29 09:18 10.5 21:28 10.5 03:41 1.8 15:53 1.9
30 09:46 10.2 21:57 10.2 04:09 2.0 16:23 2.2
31 10:15 9.8 22:28 9.7 04:38 2.4 16:54 2.7
 A Falling tide is no danger once the pool is free from the tide. A flooding tide is a liability depending on the time of day and whether it is a spring which can advance quickly ( using the twelfths rule ) on a flat beach like St Aubins.
It is possible with the input of the statistics department and a member of the harbour office to work an accurate chart telling the pool operators which days of optimum use and secondary use (pool open early morning, late afternoon for specific activities). It is noted that the tide hits the wall and there is no escape to evacuate higher up the beach.
 Weather cannot be controlled but the best that can be achieved is to mathematically work out averages. Take Jersey weather spanning at least a hundred years, ( our lives are just less than a micro dot in time ) and work out average rain fall, hours of sunshine, storms etc in the summer months. This will give a very basic ( but not guaranteed snapshot)
 Small sailing craft for beginners require wind at or around 1 to 10 knots force or 1 to 3 on the Beaufort scale. Paddle canoes require a reasonably flat sea, wind is obviously not required. Scuba classes that may wish to use the pool are more interested in a warm place to change and clear water as apposed to rain, sunshine or wind.
Summary and personal opinion.
The tidal chart shows that there are roughly thirteen suitable tide days in August when the pool is usable all day. This is not the truth, on those days there is no guarantee that Jersey will have good weather there may in fact be a wet and windy gale coming through. There are many other factors like safe storage of safety equipment, damage to craft against hard walls, parking, etc. not explored here.
The pool could be used later or earlier by an organised group say a children’s sailing club who may use kids Optimist’s dinghies on an early pleasant summer evening. However - why - would they go to all the trouble to trailer to the pool to rig their boats and pack away when the cadets section of St Catherines’ sailing club and the two larger SHYC and Royal C.I. Yacht Club provide excellent and convenient facilities for young sailors. The out door activity department at education run by Steven Pearl also has sailing dinghies.
In my personal experience an advancing high spring tide is not to be underestimated especially with dealing with novice windsurfers and dinghy sailors who can be alarmed at the speed of the approaching tide. It makes little difference regarding the planned activities for this pool. Nature will dictate when this pool may or may not be used, however good or honourable individual human intentions or plans are.
Hoping the pool will be as popular as the sixties or seventies when Jersey had tens of thousands of tourists is just not going to happen, the world has moved on and so have the tourists, there is no reasonable income to be earned from this project from any area, given that Jersey’s climate and tides are in full control and what is left is not enough.
Given that this project is publicised in the public domain and may be funded by the tax and rate payers, you no doubt sir want as wider debate as possible. I feel it reasonable to copy in those that have expressed an interest.
Started Longbeach Windsurfing and Boating Centre 1984 ran through to 1997
Initiated Funboats on Havre des Pas Pool with permission of JSC operated for thirteen years.
Had permission from Tourism to operate fun boats from West Park ( forgotten which years as only serviced the pool for four days one season )
Raced as crew with Hobie Cat fleet 386 over two seasons. Own two Hobie Cats now.
St Helier Yacht Club and Royal Channel Island Yacht Club member for over thirty five years
On the St Helier Yacht club executive - six years
Treasury Minister Phillip Ozouf.
Senator Ferguson. Corporate scrutiny
Constable Philip Rondel ( Senior Member St Helier Yacht club )
Economics Minister Alan Maclean
Deputy Tracy Vallois. public scrutiny committee
Jersey Evening Post.
Obviously there are only 13 to 14 days each month when the pool can be used all day.
More facts including statements from Mr Horsfall and others tomorrow.