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Offline Dylan

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The Club
« on: March 19, 2010, 04:22:10 PM »
Imagine a dusty file in a drawer.

What does it contain and who compiled it? Who's drawer is it in? More important, what does it contain?

The answer could be  report of a senior, popular, high profile member of the ministry who is currently in retirement, possibly dead.
It contains a sordid story of a life of depravity which out of control came to the attention of the authorities. Following an incident, the man was visited and after extensive questioning, charges were possibly witheld and the man was warned but let go to continue his life.

The arresting officer was told by his superior that the Minister would not be charged as it was in the interest of the Force to have another lever of control. Sort of "vote collecting" in the House. Since that dark period, the Officer has retired and left the Island.

The Superior officer however had other motives. He was possibly told "make this public and see if you are in a job next week". Big words from a man who has been caught with his trousers literally down. How did the minister do this? perhaps he offered to bring the better part of the government down which would have had a far worse international effect on the then thriving Tourism industry that recent events have. Why? because of what John Grisham would have entitled "The Club".

"The Club"

A collective of Ministers, government employees, Overseas dignatories with peccadillos, Influential people and others in the Private sector with similar "Interests".

Their activities: monetary: expense fiddles, backhanders, freebies, trips; alchoholism, drugs. Power: directorships, chosen positions, control of people. Sex activities such as extra-maritals, whoring, gay, predatory and minors.

The motivation? Inclusion, betterment and accessability.

You couldn't make it up could you!
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Re: The Club
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2010, 05:13:15 PM »
Living in such a tiny Island we all at certain times in our lives must have rubbed up against 'The Club'? If you've ever been elevated to a position of respectability, either through your parents choice of school or simply through good old fashioned hard work you will have heard and indeed seen "The Club" in action to varying degrees. In fact it might even be fair to argue that "clubs" exist the world over to serve the voracious appetites of the successful. And it’s tempting to join isn't it? Given the chance. I mean you might not want to satisfy your darkest sexual urges in 'The Club' but you might be quite partial to an extended network of influence, money and dynamic social mobility. Who wouldn't?

The moral question here would seem to be that once you become a fully paid up member what pressures are exerted upon you in order to protect fellow members should they transgress? And yes, rather like a John Grisham novel it is easy to see the moral decline induced by membership and how good people can so easily turn to bad in the blink of an eye.

To what extent is it relevant today in Jersey? This fascinating concept could indeed throw up all sorts of interesting commentary on the nature of our contemporary society at the upper echelons. Indeed the past will also hold a wealth of stories that could go some considerable way to explaining why so many feel disenfranchised with the way our government, and its administration run things.

Excellent thread Dylan. I wonder who (without naming names and becoming libellous) is able to reminisce about their experiences either in or at the mercy of 'The Club'?


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Re: The Club
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2010, 05:23:16 PM »
Very Interesting thread Dylan.

What is operation Blast all about ? files being kept on politicions ,Hoover FBI style maybe ?

Quote from the vile blog.

What distinguishes the Jersey establishment is the fact there is no separation of powers - thus all arms of the states are combined into one, de facto, entity and are not subject to any functioning checks and balances.

Rampant corruption - to the extent it is openly practised - with impunity. Spivs-gangsters-criminals.

End of Quote.

Have you noticed that more people are looking at the possibilities you have offered in your post. They are also starting to ask questions including, if we cannot trust those at the top who can we trust. This view has been mentioned on the BBC talk back programme several times over the last couple of months.

Strange how  "SOME"  of Stuart Syvrets unspeakable views just keep flowing back into the public arena and are seen as relevant in today's Jersey.

I think the fact that we have been getting millions of pounds worth of independent expert advice  from lawyers in London was a good thing. Impartial so to speak.

Until it was disclosed that Jersey seems to be joined at the hip for years with 7 Bedford Row, who have been charging Jersey a fortune. Would you want to loose an account that is so lucrative. Who actually decides which legal firm is to be engaged by Jersey ? Is this system open to rigorous checks and balances ?

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Re: The Club
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2010, 07:58:09 PM »
Every effort you have to keep fellow club members looked after. Establishment springs to mind.

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Re: The Club
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2010, 08:21:04 PM »
Is not the forming of groups the way to get things done?

If you do not like the "Establishment" then form a group to counter act it.

I think what the really is concerning is the power that certain individuals have especially as many of them in Jersey are not experienced  to do so, most if not all the errors of our government are due to inexperience and poor management.

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Re: The Club
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2010, 12:25:32 AM »
Imagine a dusty file in a drawer.

And Jersey is not unique in this. It happens EVERYWHERE and has happened since time began. It is human behaviour. I don't defend it but please don't think that Jersey is special in that respect.

I am not sure that the "separation of powers" wholly protects against this either. Since Juvenal it has been a problem, and I suspect always will be.

A free media helps to protect against it, BUT they too have their "dusty files" which they dust down when they want to level the score.

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Re: The Club
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 02:27:18 PM »
It does provide a thought provoking initiative to save money on States Expenditure though, we could move the States Chamber and Royal court to the Temple in Stopford rd! We could then return the library to the centre of town and have a sandwich shop just up the steps on the main entrance.I would bid £20k for the concession.

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Re: The Club
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 03:54:12 PM »
Designer Designed for the Wealthy by the Wealthy,         ( The DDWW secret plan )

Many leading members of this Government are very intelligent and very wealthy. The question needs to asked, has a secret lifestyle plan for Jersey been formulated by those in high office?

To start the debate let us focus on human nature. We all want like minded, people to share our time with in a beautiful, safe secure setting. We want relatively easy links to Europe and the UK. We need stimulation, mostly from our like minded friends but also from society at large the arts and entertainment .Those leaders in the judiciary and government seem to be part of an elite wealthy group, Jersey has the landscape and infrastructure described.

After an economic boom period over the last few decades Jersey has an excellent infrastructure. Taxpaying companies and islanders have paid cash for the airport, schools, libraries, marinas etc.

Society has changed drastically. It used to be the not so well off paid little tax but Jersey has developed into a two tier society. The cost of servicing Jersey is being addressed by continually charging the low and middle earners more and charging those that have great wealth less. In a fair society all should pay their fair share.

So it may take years, but here is the plan and we (they) are well on the road to paradise. Let us have no more than thirty thousand very wealthy people living on Jersey, very much like some of the leaders of the judiciary, civil service and powerful political elite. They will feel amongst their own.

Problems and solutions to make Jersey a paradise for the very wealthy.

Transport,

Close down the centre of St. Helier to cars (even for the majority of town residents) and offer a bus service that all but closes down during the winter evenings and allow taxis to be very expensive. When the chance presents itself to destroy a useful busy car park in St Helier, show no mercy. By reducing parking and decent facilities for the transportation of the non wealthy their quality of life will be affected, and again this will encourage them to leave. Close down services like patient travel and senior citizen services. When questioned the stock answer is get a bike, always use the green answer and excuse.

Jersey’s future plan will include having hundreds of private jets paying landing fees. The more expensive travel becomes for the none wealthy the better. A ship for Freight is important but the wealthy will not accept several hours to get to the UK so if we lose fast passenger ships, less choice makes travel more expensive. This will only inconvenience the non wealthy we are trying to relocate away from the island encouraging them to leave sooner.

Medical.

Emergencies must be dealt with, but also increase waiting times for non essential operations further. Even though a patient may have trouble walking and be in pain make them wait at least a year for a hip replacement ( the time quoted at the present time). Have all and any reciprocal agreements with any other country terminated by any means. This again will not affect the wealthy able to secure a hip operation in two weeks if they pay.

Marinas.

The wealthy love their toys and marinas come into this plan. Have a policy of inviting big super-yachts into Jersey and this will catch on. Pay no attention to islander’s complaints, just keep giving them less and charging them more for their little boats. The best plan is to take away simple facilities like mud berths to make way for the more expensive luxury yachts. This fits in nicely with the major overall plan.

Planning and building.

Allow and encourage wealthy lavish properties to be built, however it’s important to make it as difficult ( and as expensive ) as possible for the not wealthy. Give permission ( and encouragement ) to build luxury property (apartments esspecially) by developers that are unaffordable for the average islander. To accelerate the process, form a company, put all the public’s billions of pounds worth of land and buildings into its portfolio. Then develop (or sell of land to developers) as per the main plan to develop expensive upmarket projects.

The auditor general is on a contract if he makes too much noise, have a word or offer him more money. Should that not work make sure his three year contract is not extended.

The administration of Jersey and immigration and costs.

As the number of islanders dwindles, immigration must be tightened. No inheritance tax and a society expressly designer designed for the wealthy by the wealthy will have no problems attracting the well heeled from overcrowded violent multinational countries like the UK as is the present policy.Wealthy applicants seeking to become residents at the present time, need to contact Mr Nigel Phillpot ex executive from tourism. His full time position over several years, is that of facilitator (Mr fix all for the wealthy applicant). To contact him just contact the Jersey Government.

The sum of an applicants wealth required for residency will be reviewed annually. A figure of twelve million Euro's or Pounds sterling is suggested as a possible minimum benchmark for the future.

The public sector has been far too large for years, so as the population gets smaller so will the administration base. This will not apply to the two top levels of management because without their enthusiastic help in a team effort, this paradise for the rich would never have been possible. The unions will be fought from within these mini empires until perfect efficiencies’ of department is achieved.

Make no mistake and be clear any visionary politician or high ranking public employee who lets the side down will be attacked by the masters with full weight of the various departments and resources available.

Sorry if you read the article above first offered October 2009 on PJ.

More from the JEP.

MINISTERS must prepare for independence from the UK as the constitutional relationship between the two jurisdictions worsens, according to former Bailiff Sir Philip Bailhache.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2010/01/21/ministers-must-prepare-for-jersey-independence/

Final questions who paid for the two year report,how much did it cost ( two years work ). Where can it be found in the public domain and who authorised it?

Boatyboy.
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Re: The Club
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 09:03:09 PM »
And Jersey is not unique in this. It happens EVERYWHERE and has happened since time began. It is human behaviour. I don't defend it but please don't think that Jersey is special in that respect.

I am not sure that the "separation of powers" wholly protects against this either. Since Juvenal it has been a problem, and I suspect always will be.

A free media helps to protect against it, BUT they too have their "dusty files" which they dust down when they want to level the score.

Hi Iruka,
I don't ever assume that Jersey is unique. I Posted this thread as I have had access to information which for genuine reasons can only be put up in a certain way. My point being that if you just accept the story as "oh well, it happens all the time everywhere" then you are seriously missing the point.  That may well be so. I'm afraid that I do not find this situation in any way acceptable and anyone who does is as culpable as those who manipulate it. I'm sorry that you find it necessary to brush it off lightly.
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Re: The Club
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 01:39:06 AM »
ILM has stated in tonights Evening Post that a contender for a top police job was scared off because of blog sites, booooo hoooo , if he was that feckin useless he should never have applied in the first place !
1, It is a shame that some of our politicians are not scared off because of the same web sites , and................................
 2, Is it not a simple fact Ian that the bloke you are talking about , had a 2 hour meeting with you, Ogley and Frank Walker and on that basis (As they say in the dragons Den) I,m out?
I,m the feck out of here?......... what was discussed at that Meeeting Ian , who said what and why did the guy have an urgent desire to leave the Island?
Blaming web sites for the actions of grown up people is childish, besides which , even the blessed St Syvret only has 10 people reading his blog , ok , well over and over again, this website is possibly read by 50 people?
what a load of nonsense and not what I expected when I voted for you!
Ian le marquand , you should be ashamed.
That is not to say that the muppets on here and the syvrashites should gloat , it is simply that we expected better of you , than to utter such crap. Grow up!

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Re: The Club
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2010, 05:12:53 AM »
A lot of the mistakes have been made by the management who advise the ministers on what or not to do regarding say technical work. The management in some departments within the States should never have been given the job that they hold but why then should the States members not sack that person? Well you see they appointed him to that position even when told that he is not right for the position, so you have to stand up for him so as not to make yourself look a fool.

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2011, 02:02:57 AM »
Lets just say, hypothetically speaking, that the teenage son of a high ranking government functionary, like say a law officer, AG or Bailiff type even, was a big time hash smoker. And through his Notting Hill 'trustafarian' friends he came to meet and then associate with some middle ranking drug dealers. The types that deal in kilos rather then tons. And lets just say, hypothetically speaking of course, that said son makes the foolish decision to smuggle a few kilos into Jersey for the summer, to make a bit of spare cash, feed his habit and keep his mates stocked up. But not being a hardended criminal as such or even very bright he gets caught by customs and is taken straight down the nick. Lets just say, hypothetically speaking, that once all the statements have been taken the feds suddenly realise who they have in the cells and so a few calls are made to the most senior officers in the force who then inform the high ranking functionary of the 'tight spot' he's boy's in. And so our functionary also finds himself in rather an embarrasing situation - career threatening even! So the functionary decides to take matters into his own hands and, after making a few calls of his own, manages to secure the release of his drippy son without charge. Now that would place a huge debt of gratitude at the door of the functionary. But what if those original police statements were never destroyed and they found there way into the public domain some twenty years later? Now that could bring the government down.
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Re: The Club
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2011, 02:51:07 AM »
ooh, do you know something Razzy  :o

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Re: The Club
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 03:03:21 AM »
Lets just say, hypothetically speaking, that the teenage son of high ranking government functionary, like say a law officer, AG or Bailiff type even, was a big time hash smoker. And through his Notting Hill 'trustafarian' friends he came to meet and then associate with some middle ranking drug dealers. The types that deal in kilos rather then tons. And lets just say, hypothetically speaking of course, that said son makes the foolish decision to smuggle a few kilos into Jersey for the summer, to make a bit of spare cash, feed his habit and keep his mates stocked up. But not being a hardended criminal as such or even very bright he gets caught by customs and is taken straight down the nick. Lets just say, hypothetically speaking, that once all the statements have been taken the feds suddenly realise who they have in the cells and so a few call are made to the most senior officers in the force who then inform the high ranking functionary of the 'tight spot' he's boy's in. And so our functionary also finds himself in rather an embarrasing situation - career threatening even! So the functionary decides to take matters into his own hands and, after making a few calls of his own, manages to secure the release of his drippy son without charge. Now that would place a huge debt of gratitude at the door of the functionary. But what if those original police statements were never destroyed and they found there way into the public domain some twenty years later? Now that could bring the government down.

Aha! I see you get the gist of it!
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Re: The Club
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 03:06:36 AM »
i just love this site, twenty years ago, most were of their chumps  in the 80's, the days when  it was fun fun fun.