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Offline churchill

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JERSEY NEEDS STRICT IMMIGRATION CONTROLS.
« on: February 14, 2009, 12:20:23 AM »
The horrific murder of an innocent women by a convicted murderer Plytnykas must be a warning to us that without proper immigration control we too may be letting dangerous criminals into jersey.
The government must protect society from these dangerous beings.

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Re: JERSEY NEEDS STRICT IMMIGRATION CONTROLS.
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2009, 11:30:32 AM »
I think Jersey immigration is robust enough to cover this one, to be fair.


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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 04:57:02 PM »
I believe the front page of the j.e.p. 20..2..09. says it all.

This is the very reason jersey needs strict controls .

Johy owiny a convicted armed robber just able to jump on a plane and be amongst an unsuspecting island public. 

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 03:19:19 PM »



It appears the old saying of get your own house in order first, does not apply only to Jersey but is ignored by western Governments. All Ministers crave is growth including population growth, forget the long term consequences.

The population /  immigration problem is not going away, so deal with it in a proper and civilised way. One political party that is prepared for the debate, causing discomfort to the others writes below. Jersey is sticking to it's policy of new people being welcome, I believe it to be 325 each year.

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Reports undertaken by academics showing net positives from open door European immigration have been ripped apart. When analysing everything through the prism of national economic output, or GDP, major factors such as the cost of schooling, healthcare and law enforcement and the pressures on infrastructure and housing are simply brushed aside.

We read about the struggle parents around the country face in finding primary school places.
We also know about the huge shortage of housing seeing many new-builds on green belt land and flood plains.
Mrs Reding is wrong to say it is the Government pushing this debate.

The Government and the Opposition have done everything they can to prevent an open debate on immigration, as indeed they do over our membership of the European Union. Ukip is the only party to have made it a talking point.

Meanwhile the political class and Left Wing media stumble around for a position trying to disguise the fact they are trying to close the gate after the horse has bolted by calling everyone who wants proper debate on immigration “a racist”.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/453225/Farage-on-Friday-It-s-not-racist-to-want-to-have-proper-debate-on-immigration

States  finance job scheme, Is this like trying to put up houses for people when there is no land left ?

http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2013/10/18/scrutiny-critical-of-taxpayer-funded-enterprise-scheme/

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 08:53:30 PM »
I think the states is hellbent on making Jersey the most populated rock in the world.
Locatejersey is now advertising monthly in the Financial Times to get wealthy people to live here.There aim is a minimum of 15 per year.They will have to pay a minimum of £125k tax each year- and that's what they will pay the minimum.They will bring with them staff,cars etc.There was a report some time ago commissioned by Ozouf on the advantages and disadvantages of this scheme,but in true Jersey fashion this report is secret.The impact on house prices,roads,schools,healthcare,etc are never talked about,only the financial advantage of having them here.
How long will this scheme run for?5 years? 10 years?forever?
When will Jersey be considered to be full.
And that is not even including the never ending source of cheap labour from east Europe.

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2014, 10:22:42 PM »
  i dont mind the  1k 1's. they buy houses that  the ordinary    man  cant  buy .
  have   work  done  around  the    mansion .
    and on  the  whole  are  not  a  bad bunch  to  work  for .
  we  do not need  any more  low  paid  workers ,  it  was  talked  about  on  radio  four  the other  day ,   that it  was hope   that  the influx of  economic  migrants  would be  earning  enough  to  pay  tax , ect . and not be a drain on   the  coffers .
 it is only  hear  say , that  the other  day i  did hear of   a  eastern  european  family  with one  child (  no parents working)  were  being housed in a  states  flat   with  all new  carpets , beds  in  fact  all  you need  to make a home  at  the tax payers   expense . and  were only on  the long housing  list  for a  short   while .
 being local  these  days  if  fast becoming  a handicap imho.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2014, 12:13:52 AM »
East Europeans don't miss a trick.I have worked with several of them.
The story in the JEP about Bailache refusing to deport a Pole who was caught drink driving for the third time without a license because his girlfriend had been here 9 years and was at risk of not gaining her quallies!!!
What.It was said she was pregnant also.Did he ask for any proof from a doctor that she was pregnant or did she just show up with a cushion under her shirt.and besides what has any of that got to do with the fact that her boyfriend is a serial criminal.Apparently Bailache wanted to send out the message that we were a welcoming island !!Bet those Poles are laughing all the way back to there states funded flat,phoning up their mates back home to get over here,Jersey's such a soft touch.


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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2014, 12:52:26 AM »
3rd time drink driving would mean a spell at La Moye.

Eastern Europeans have the sames rights as anyone from England Scotland or Wales - and they wouldn't be deported either. Don't believe Jersey deports undesirables anymore, after all they let Curtis Warren in but kept an eye on him and he had a pedigree. 

Your post does sound a tad xenophobic.

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2014, 01:41:04 AM »
I really do not see the benefit in bringing in more 1(1k),s. They take up more room-space. For every ,"Mansion", we could have a twenty+ housing estate.
The nonsense that they provide more work for locals is a total myth. They only eat three meals a day the same as everyone else. They shop online, and bring in, "Specialist", contractors cheaply from abroad when they want some work doing.
The real problem we have is the lack of control on ,"J cats". In the past eight years Camerons,(To name but one), have brought in no less than ten supposedly,"Essential", employees, together with their families, who, after doing their five years basic,(And therefore gained full, "Quallies"), have left the company to set up their own businesses.
Camerons, however, still retain their licences to import more, "Essential", employees.
I think the ,"Jcat lark", should be curtailed. If a company loses an employee, it should lose the license.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2014, 01:52:10 AM by Fritz »

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2014, 04:23:58 AM »

Your post does sound a tad xenophobic.
I don't consider myself xenophobic,my father was European, but maybe I am .
I am fed up with our inconsistent justice system and the bending over backwards to attract East Europeans as if they are a bunch of hard working angels.
Why is it we pick and chose who to deport,there is no consistency.
If someone comes here and  repeatedly breaks our laws,shows no respect whatsoever to an island making them a living then they should be deported.
What if next time this serial offender is out driving pissed without insurance and crashes into your car killing your children would you be glad we gave him  a fourth chance.




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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2014, 05:35:35 AM »
On the 3rd time he will lose his licence for quite a long time as well as being imprisioned and after that time his insurance would be pretty hefty so he better have a very well paid job. 

I understand your frustration but Jersey has a history of transient workers, Italians, French, Portuguese, Scots Irish etc., some stay many leave, the Polish are just the new kid on the block. 

The UK have now opened their arms and are welcoming Romanians and the daily mail, that self righteous tabloid, are selling we're doomed stories on how they are a bunch of thieving pick-pockets etc, it seems many eastern block citizens are tarred with this brush, they are an unknown quantity.  Britain is a small Island on the world map, and Jersey is minute in comparison, yet still we and the UK welcome transient workers despite our own desperate to find jobs. 

I have little experience in the study of economics but I too am baffled why our stores are awash with Polish, but they are. Boots are ALL polish, WH Smith, Voisins, De Gruchy etc etc.  We are told they are good workers and very reliable.  Whatever the reason, we cannot blame them for coming when they are welcomed and given jobs. 

It has to be said though, that Portuguese who have been here for eons and are an intrinsic part of Jersey life, never moved so quickly up the job market ladder as quickly as the Polish. 

I do not run a business so it would be interesting to hear from people who do and could comment on why this is so. 


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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2014, 06:53:43 PM »
On the 3rd time he will lose his licence for quite a long time as well as being imprisioned and after that time his insurance would be pretty hefty so he better have a very well paid job

This was his 3rd time.
2010 caught for drink driving fined and disqualified for 21 months.
2011 caught drink driving,driving while disqualified,driving without insurance and escaping custody jailed for 2 months banned for 3 years.
2013 caught driving while disqualified and without insurance,6 months imprisonment and disqualified for 18 months.

As you can see he never has any intention of buying insurance.
Bailache soft handling of him so as not to upset the polish community is despicable.Just wait till he causes an accident next time.

I think the polish have moved up so quick is because they are better educated than the Portugese and more aggressive,very pushy.

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2014, 08:38:39 PM »
He only lost his licence for 18 months 3rd time!!! that is a disgrace. Its normally years, its 18 months on 1st time so I find that incredibly lenient.  Would be interesting to know who was on the bench. B.Shaw is very anti drink driving and comes down heavy on them. Be interesting to know his pedigree and more importantly, his contacts.   

You are right in questioning this, his licence should be lost for 5 years or even 10. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2014, 08:47:03 PM »
just re-read and saw Bailhache was on the case, there should have been an uproar, as it sounds like favoritism. Considering he had lost his licence for 21 months previously how could them give him a lesser sentence, doesn't add up. 

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2014, 10:39:40 PM »
this isn't the first time Bailache has gone soft on Polish criminals.Here is  a posting of mine from April 2012.
A Polish burglar who stole £18 grand from his employer Motor mall then went back another time to crack the safe again and steal another £24 grand was sentenced to 2 years in prison by Bailache who said because he had shown remorse he reduced his sentence by 3 months and would not deport him!!WHHHaattt!!
I bet if he'd burgled Bailache's house he would be deported.
Obviously trying to send out the message that 'Jersey is open for business'