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Offline Jerry Gosselin

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2017, 09:56:58 PM »
  residents  or should i say parking permit holders  were asked  our opinions  on the ring road ( where ever that  starts  and stop )speed limits.
  we  vote  for no  change.

I would be interested to know when this happened and whether it was the parish or the States who were asking for your views - and more to the point, what was their real motivation for seeking them.

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2017, 10:11:12 PM »
Would love to be able to hit such speed going to work in town tomorrow.

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2017, 03:10:10 AM »
Hi jerry, the e mail contact was I think  silvio .alves @posh.gov.je
It came with the bumph on residents parking and three quest to pay up.
The date I think was around 22 march when we emailed  no to any speed change .
One thing I do notice at 20 mph is the shocking state of most of the roads in st helier .
 The hills and dales  very poor patch work ,and general lumps and loads of bumps
The other week we did about  400 miles in France around. Lovely Brittany.
No lumps or bumps ,smooth flowing traffic on the general routes .
A stark contrast to our " world class roads "  ( not).

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2017, 07:35:40 AM »

Today 2nd May driving along the inner road from first tower towards the Grand Hotel, I noticed on the sea side of the road,  one skinny police man with a radar speed gun aimed at traffic coming up from the old Inn on the Park Flats. It was about 4.00pm he was pretty invisible not wearing any bright " be seen " safety jacket.

 I would never flash my lights   ;) at oncoming cars heading into the police trap,  but had no need to even if I had the urge,  because leading the traffic was a bus.

Anything for money this tax and spend Government.

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2017, 10:34:30 AM »
Hi jerry, the e mail contact was I think  silvio .alves @posh.gov.je
It came with the bumph on residents parking and three quest to pay up.
The date I think was around 22 march when we emailed  no to any speed change .
One thing I do notice at 20 mph is the shocking state of most of the roads in st helier .

I have to presume that this was a part of the 'consultation' they carried out before the Roads Committee took their decision to reduce the speed limit. It would be interesting to know exactly how many of those with parking permits who responded to the survey wanted a reduced limit. I would have thought not that many of them would agree to it, being car drivers who must therefore realise how ridiculously slow 20mph is on many roads. It would probably be the opposite result if you asked non-car owners though.

Yes, I'm glad someone has commented on the lamentable state of the roads in town. There should be a competition to nominate the worst-maintained road in the parish. For me, the state of St Saviour's Road at the St Helier end is a disgrace, but I'm more aware of that than other roads because I pass along it frequently. What must the patrons of the hotels along that road think about the lack of basic infrastructure investment there? I presume it may be the States rather than the parish that has responsibility for that particular road but whichever authority it is needs to get its finger out and get it resurfaced, preferably this century.

Always nice to know where the speed cops are hanging out, BB. How long before they install their confusing pedestrian paving on that stretch of road to slow everything down to a crawl? Or maybe resurface the whole thing with Crowcroft retro cobblestones to give tourists the impression that it is an authentic 19th century road that we've lovingly preserved! Just a thought - if someone were to start posting alerts on a dedicated social media page about the current location of speed cops to help other drivers avoid getting fined, would the police try to take action to get the page closed down? Not that I'm planning anything myself but I just wonder if that is another online activity that they'll find a reason to arrest you for.
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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2017, 08:59:10 PM »
I must point a link to this article published yesterday by Tony which examines the other recent Parish of St Helier decision which has angered so many town residents, including myself, namely the decision taken by the Assembly on 29th March to appeal the Bellozanne incinerator court case to the Privy Council, with potentially large financial consequences for parish ratepayers, beyond those already incurred:

http://tonymusings.blogspot.com/2017/05/three-boos-for-democracy.html


Tony has obviously based his article on the (now published) parish minutes of that meeting and his criticisms mimic my own, although I did not write about this decision at the time on PJ. For example, I have long called for online voting at parish assemblies... although I am not sure whether "called for" is the appropriate terminology as that implies that someone else in the parish has actually been listening to anything I say and as far as I'm concerned, nobody ever has done. Howling into the wilderness might be a better phrase to use. Anyway, Tony doesn't provide a link to the minutes in question so I have searched around and found them to read in Word format here:

http://www.sthelier.je/media/430901/minutes_29_march.doc


I've already had heated words with someone who was at that meeting and doesn't see fault with what the Assembly did that night. I wasn't at the meeting- I gave up attending them in frustration a good two decades ago as everything was obviously so stage managed by a few dozen parish cronies and States Members. Tony's article and the published minutes prove how little has changed in those two decades.

I notice from the minutes that it's even some of the same people that were controlling the will of the Assembly when I was attending back in the early to mid-90's who were also heavily involved in last month's fiasco, most notably the world's oldest surviving Procureur, Peter Pearce ('Mr Burns') and Rev. Iain MacFirbhisigh ('God'). Yes, over the years I have even given many of them appropriate nicknames!. Perennial election failure Bernie Manning (from the Roads Committee) also participated, as did - inevitably - Her Royal Lowness Mary Osmand and David 'Blue Horizon' Eves, the latter presumably no longer having to constantly fear an unscheduled door knock from Esther Rantzen like he did in the 70's. There were almost enough States Members at that St Helier Assembly meeting to form a quorum and pass laws, prominent amongst them being Deputy Andrew 'Powergate' Lewis, who seconded HRH Dame Osmond's proposition, and (as Tony's article points out) a speech to the Assembly by none other than St Brelade Deputy Montfort Tadier!  :o  ???

Today I have looked up the details of both these States Members on the States Assembly website as neither of them were last known to live in St Helier. Both have failed to supply their correct home addresses, which is unacceptable but not surprising. Powergate gives his address as care of Image Group at 7 Bond Street and the Right Dishon. Tadier's address is care of States Greffe, Morier House (does he take his sleeping bag in there every night after finishing his States business?).

Powergate must obviously be qualified to vote at the Assembly only through being a mandataire for his St Helier business and as for Tadier - well it is 50-50. Either he has followed Mezec's example and has recently moved into St Helier or he should not have been present at that Assembly meeting, let alone speaking to the Assembly and trying to influence the way others voted. These politicians are smart and my guess at this stage (without having examined electoral or rates records) is that Tad's quietly moved into St Helier but doesn't want his St Brelade constituents to find out for as long as possible. This would be quite significant news because I reckon it would indicate that he is going to follow his predecessor Gary Matthews and try to make the switch from representing St Brelade to representing St Helier. When Gary tried the same thing he failed gloriously and it permanently ended his career in Jersey politics, so the omens aren't good for the gangly Bailiff-hating one with a specialism in failure. Obviously Tadier would have calculated that St Helier will have proportionally more Deputies' seats available as a result of the electoral reform changes and that this might enable him to slip in at the bottom end of the poll and grab one of the newly-created seats. Clever, if this turns out to be the case. We await confirmation that he has abandoned St Brelade though...

As Tony's article points out, just 56 people were present at that Assembly meeting on 29th March. The proposition published beforehand on the St Helier website did not mention any appeal to the Privy Council, yet that was what eventually got adopted on the night. Those 56 people attending were told by the Constable on the night that they could bring amendments if they wanted. Then none other than his two Procureurs immediately present a suitably-worded amendment to the Assembly, obviously prepared well in advance of the meeting and with Crowcroft's full approval, which the vast majority of those present then agreed to adopt.  ::)

Honestly, this is why I gave up going to Parish Assembly meetings!  >:( 
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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2017, 08:23:58 PM »
It seems Tad isn't only interested in St Helier politics now. Here's a bizarre tweet of his trying to persuade voters in the Bristol area to elect the Labour candidate for Mayor:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DeputyTadier/status/859401004462354432

Maybe he's some sort of a cult hero up there and they act on his every word ... whereas on this island he's just a cult (or something like that!).

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2017, 03:07:46 PM »
Monty is one of the best in the states. He is fighting for us the low paid and middle class.
The Reform Party has got it right as regards the people and not the rich. They are the only party fighting the establishment and their rich friends.
Do you want ozouf etc in the states next year?

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2017, 12:15:30 AM »
They are not even contemplating any type of reform at parish assembly level, which is what my last few posts have been about - corrupt and cronyist practices in the Town Hall which they have played their fair part in. They know that the current feudalist system allows small groups of people to turn up unannounced and control or influence policies and expenditure on behalf of circa 34,000 St Helier residents. They like the idea of that.

The suggestion that they are somehow on the side of the low earners sounds increasingly nonsensical with every passing year. Their vehement opposition to Deputy Rod Bryans' plan last year to end free nursery care to households with a combined income of £75,000+ shows who they really want to be associated with and it's not those at the bottom of the income scale.

Then there is the little matter of their refusal to ask a single question in the past two years about Social Security's unlawful treatment of sanctioned jobseekers prior to a hush hush amendment being slipped into law in June 2015. Admittedly many other States Members are also participants in that cover-up but there is very little excuse for sanctions expert Mr. Southern, who has sat mute about the scandal at quarterly Scrutiny panel hearings for the past 2.5 years.

They are just a bunch of charlatans out for what they can get, pure and simple.

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2017, 01:42:58 AM »
slightly off topic here jerry.
i  was at  that parish meeting  on  the 29th . i  was late  arriving by 15 mins .
 
  i  complained  that  the person  who  was there  to check if you are  eligible  to vote  had  gone  home  early .
  along  with  another person  who  wanted  to vote .
we  were not  checked . yet after  complaining  were  given  voting  slips .
 there  was  quite a  few  extras who normally  do not  attend  in the  crowd .
  the  first  vote  was on  the  sale of  the old folks  home  next  to  the old  collage  for  girls  to  dandara.
  the public  were not informed  who the other bidders  were .
  and a  elderly  chap  who  has a  home  at  the  end  of  the road  that appears  to be part of  the site ,  was  asking  why   he  had lost half of  his access  or  land   crowcroft  let him  talk  with no answers  from  crowcroft .
  and  the  public were to  say  the least  bewildered .
 it  was a close vote to sell  to  dandara ,  as  you  can only  sell  the  asset once
 i  voted not to .
it was sold ,  i do  wonder if  anyone  was  checked  to see if  they were  eligable  to vote .
 and  would  say  that  the vote  to take  the poo tax  to  the  privy  council  was  a two  fingered  salute ( albeit  expensive ) to eddie noel  and his  raft of  stealth taxes .
 also if i  remember correctly   ex  constable  la brocq  stated  that  to quash  the  covenant
  would  show  that  any  covenant  could be  ridden over  rough  shod .
  you  should  go back  to  the parish  assemblies , your vote  would  count  and  could alter something .
 also  the  roads  committee  meet during  working  hours  9 or 10 pm  if  the public  want to attend ,  so most of us  are barred  from  going , due  to  going  to  work .

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Re: Speeding and lowering the limit.
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2017, 08:58:47 PM »
  you  should  go back  to  the parish  assemblies , your vote  would  count  and  could alter something .
 also  the  roads  committee  meet during  working  hours  9 or 10 pm  if  the public  want to attend ,  so most of us  are barred  from  going , due  to  going  to  work .

My experience of these Parish Assemblies is that the vast majority of decisions are unanimous, apart from when I was in attendance when there would be 1 token vote against! You can probably understand, therefore, why I gave up attending for good after a couple of years of this frustration.

Basically you have 3 choices:
 
(1) Form your own small gang who will not only agree to give up their evenings to attend meetings with you but will also vote whichever way you instruct them to. Never in a million years would I even dream of behaving like that. Only those with the typical mindset of a politician would act that way.

(2) Second way is to continue attending parish meetings but consciously adopt the attitude of the majority: if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. That way you'll no longer always be in a club of one and feeling very lonely and pretty soon you'll get the odd States Member actually recognising you and saying hello when they see you walk through the door. If that's what floats your boat - being able to tell your friends that you know Deputy so and so quite well and that this Deputy often stops to chat to you in the street - then go ahead. The problem is that there is no real need for you to attend these meetings at all, other than to make up the numbers for the Establishment. So a vote that would have gone 67 to 0 without your presence goes 68 to 0 with your presence. You would only be attending in order to try to form social links with the important parish bigwigs and States Members.

(3) Write the whole thing off as an unreformable, corrupt waste of time that you have no power to change and find some other way of occuping your valuable evening time. I chose this option. My sole manner of protest therefore became voting in elections for Procureur and Constable for any candidate who looked like they might try to change the status quo. However, over the past two decades or more, I can't recall ever having come across such a credible candidate standing for either of these positions who promised such reform and was not an existing parish insider. In fact, the vast majority of these elections over the past two decades have been uncontested so it doesn't matter what the qualities of the winning candidate are because you get no say in it anyway. The situation therefore remains just as hopeless today and I think it will be left to our children yet unborn to sort the problems out for us. But will they be any different to us?

As for Roads Committee meetings being held in public, I cannot see why anyone would be sad enough to want to attend in person unless something was being discussed which particularly affected them. I presume it is like attending Scrutiny Panel meetings - you have no right to interrupt the esteemed bigwigs to try to put across your point of view and you definitely can't vote. Other than journalists - and I don't think even they can be bothered - why would anyone want to sit there for several hours observing the likes of Bernie Manning exercising his little bit of municipal power?

As for the amounts of the various tenders submitted, which are mentioned in the minutes of the meeting of 29th March (see page 4 of the link below), it certainly looks a bit fishy to me that Dandara's successful bid of £1.875 million for Maison de Ville was so very close to the 2nd highest bid of £1.85 million, a fact that apparently the parish did not reveal to the Assembly until a parishioner asked for confirmation of the amounts of all 4 bids. I hope that Dandara were not leaked internal details of the amounts of other bids and I would just like to assure Dandara's lawyers that I'm not for one minute suggesting that this is what actually happened. It is just unfortunate that the two highest bids were so very close.

http://www.sthelier.je/media/430901/minutes_29_march.doc


Finally, regarding queries by one parishioner at the meeting (see page 3) as to whether employees of Dandara (if any were present) were able to vote on the Maison de Ville proposition and whether they had a conflict of interest (Crowcroft answered that they could vote if they were entitled to vote and didn't mention any requirement for them to declare an interest), this raises yet another area of concern about the current practices at parish assembly meetings.

I had direct experience of this more than two decades ago when I was trying to oppose the applications of various nightclubs to extend their opening hours to 2.30am. I was usually the only person in the hall to persistently oppose all the applications. St Helier's club of Deputies had already decided in advance of the meetings not to oppose the nightclub lobby. It became obvious during some of these meetings that a group of young people were sticking out like a sore thumb (it is rare to see people under 50 at parish assemblies, particularly wearing normal work attire rather than suits and ties etc.). Some of them were sticking their their hands up to second the various club licence applications even though tradition dictates that seconding of proposals is a task normally reserved for the parish establishment bigwigs, (like Pearce, MacFirbhisigh or Jennings, or St Helier Deputies). Some of these young people even stood up and spoke in favour of the applications. One of them I recognised because he worked as a DJ at one of the nightclubs in question and that was then I sussed that the nightclub bosses had sent some of their St Helier employees to vote for their own club applications!  ::)

It must have been hard for the bosses to find employees who were eligible as most of them would no doubt have failed to register to vote. Perhaps they got their employees to register on the electoral role some time in advance of the applications being submitted? Anyway, that is an example of the type of underhand practices that are quite openly accepted as part of the parish assembly decison-making process. You can turn up on the instructions of your employer and vote the way your employer wants you to and there is no requirement to declare your conflict of interest to the Assembly.  :o

It's good old Jersey corruption and it has survived unchallenged in these parish halls for hundreds of years.  >:(
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