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Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Reply #1740 on: April 08, 2017, 06:42:09 PM »

I find it a very difficult argument for two men convicted of trying to have sex with children then take to court adults trying to protect children.

What would happen in Jersey, would it be a secret trial ? Jerseys' known for staging such events against people the elite don't like.

Would the Jersey judiciary take the same view as the UK Judge.

Would Jerseys' data protection puppet, argue that because the adults trying to protect minors factually lied on-line, their evidence should not be deemed admissible in court ?

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Legal teams acting for two men who were caught by the organisation Dark Justice allegedly attempting to sexually abuse minors had argued that the use of evidence gathered by such operations “diminished the integrity of the court process” and that the groups should be regulated.


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/08/judge-rules-paedophile-hunters-can-continue-posing-as-children-online

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« Reply #1741 on: April 22, 2017, 03:17:09 AM »
The care inquiry has been delayed.
Now we find out ministers are being trained by spin doctors to deal with the fallout.
How much interference did the COM have to delay the report so they can be brainwashed.
Seems like political interference to me.

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« Reply #1742 on: July 02, 2017, 06:40:13 PM »
Anther example why the Jersey Child Abuse Committee of Inquiry should have been part of the UK child abuse inquiry ( Independent inquiry into child sexual abuse).

Nicholas Rabet, who was from Jersey, was Deputy Superintendent in the 70’s at the Grosvenor Avenue Children’s Home killed himself in 2006, days before he was due to stand trial for the rape of 30 boys. One of the survivors reported that he was taken to Jersey to Haute del La Garenne on a care home holiday at the same time when Jimmy Savile has been linked with visits there.

Nicholas Rabet was a friend of another alleged Paedophile Bernie Bain  who was Superintendent at Elwood Street Children’s Home in Islington in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s .
Unfortunately the Metropolitan Police Services are not replying to the submitted questions of the Islington Survivor Network and neither Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn who was the MP of Islington North at the time when the care homes were operational. More details in below article.

Islington kids were terrorised at this care home: Now it may hold key to new inquiry
PUBLISHED: 08:00 01 June 2017 | UPDATED: 11:51 04 June 2017
Author Emma Youle

http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/politics/islington-kids-were-terrorised-at-this-care-home-now-it-may-hold-key-to-new-inquiry-1-5042932

The freelance investigative journalist Eileen Fairweather  reports on the connection between the Islington’s child abuse scandal with Jersey and the alleged cover up by the Islington local authorities and the Met.

Jimmy Savile sex abuse: 'Islington is still covering up'
Two decades on from her expose of sexual abuse in children's homes, Eileen Fairweather talks to the survivors too scared to go public
By Eileen Fairweather
7:00AM BST 06 Apr 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10746412/Jimmy-Savile-sex-abuse-Islington-is-still-covering-up.html

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Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, had asked Islington Council for details of child abuse in the Seventies and Eighties, a scandal after which it shredded every incriminating file, sacked whistleblowers and smeared victims as mentally ill.

Former Jersey Politician, Deputy Daniel Wimberley said in a press release in 2014 that the Jersey Child Abuse Committee of Inquiry (COI) could be a Fake and one of Jersey’s leading blog voiceforchildren  has reported the reasons for that in details in their revealing post:

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=islington

Due to the impending release of the Jersey Child Abuse Committee of Inquiry report former Jersey politician, and Anti Child Abuse Campaigner, Daniel Wimberley has released another excellent updated post on Neil’s voiceforchildren blog;

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/what-to-look-out-for-in-abuse-inquiry.html?m=1

I would like to take the opportunity to express my appreciation for Jersey’s only independent citizen media and its bloggers Stuart, Neil, Rico, Trevor and Shona Pitman, Gillian, Daniel Wimberely, Leah Mcgrath Goodman and the Jersey Care Leavers and many more for their hard and determined work to  fight for justice for the child abuse survivors and their supporters such as former DPO Lenny Harper and PCO Graham Power which unfortunately is far from over yet.


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« Reply #1743 on: July 03, 2017, 10:45:29 PM »
Breaking news: Deputy Andrew Lewis lied to the States and to the Care Enquiry:

http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/07/03/sir-philip-bailhaches-liberation-day-speech-a-grave-political-error/

I notice that Reform Jersey's Twitter page is not commenting on this part of the report! Certain politicians are very quiet today.


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« Reply #1744 on: July 03, 2017, 11:21:23 PM »

Francis Oldham said it was not a judicial enquiry ( it should have been with perjury charges ) she did say the police however may wish to become involved when wrong doing is evidenced.

Is this not abuse while being in public office.

Will the powers that be - be taking action ?

If not why not ?

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« Reply #1745 on: July 04, 2017, 03:11:07 AM »
Ian Gorst interviewed by Channel 4 TV tonight and not able to answer again straightforward questions . Has the investment of £33000 of taxpayer’s money in media advice for the ministers paid off?

https://www.channel4.com/news/jerseys-ian-gorst-its-unacceptable-children-may-still-be-at-risk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiFnxNRHXFY

Is Chief minister  Ian Gorst going to walk the walk in the eye of the international and national public?  I hope that there will be further fights for justice for the discredited supporters and the survivors to follow.

As many people said before and now official in this report , Ex-Senator Stuart Syvret was right about the systemic failure of the Jersey's authorities as he said in this well publicised TV interview and youtube clip from 2008:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghJrJEUNxBY

Quote of page 25 and 40 of the Executive Summary of The Jersey Care Inquiry report:

10.19 We have briefly recounted in the Report the events following on from Senator Syvret's scathing public criticisms of the performance of his own department, of which he had been Minister for eight years, to his dismissal as a Minister. We find that Stuart Syvret highlighted relevant issues about child abuse that needed to be addressed to ensure the protection and safety of children in Jersey. His actions did not amount to political interference with Operation Rectangle.

4.   5.5  Ben Shenton was Minister for Health and Social Services between 2007 and 2009. He said that the role of politicians was to implement the policies of the States of Jersey, whereas we would have assumed that the role of the Minister was to shape those policies. In his view, progress in Jersey depends on moving within establishment circles. His view was that his predecessor as Minister, Senator Syvret, had been removed from office because he was too outspoken and challenged things publicly. In 2008, Mr Shenton wrote to the Chief Minister, setting out his concerns that the Children’s Services Department was not fit for purpose and that there were difficulties with accountability and because departments were operating in silos. He was succeeded as Minister by Deputy Anne Pryke, who told us that politicians set policy and it was the duty of line managers to implement it and to support staff. She did not, however, recall anything being put in place to check whether policy was in fact implemented.








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Re: Child abuse in the Channel Islands
« Reply #1746 on: July 04, 2017, 05:47:05 AM »
This is one of the hardest hitting articles seen so far. If you would rather just listen there is a link inviting you to do just that.

Quote part of the article from The London Economic as the story spreads around the world naming names:

The London Economic.

Harper’s testimony to the inquiry had been shocking and detailed. He gave evidence about “a culture emerging in Jersey of systematic child abuse” which was “far worse” than a single paedophile ring. The inquiry heard how “children were in effect being loaned out to people taken on yachting trips,” the police failing to deal with allegations by the yachting set carried just outside of the island’s territorial waters.

Lenny Harper testified at length about all the hurdles he had faced trying to shed light on the systemic abuse and corruption linked to it, his investigation blocked by a culture of secrecy.

Lenny Harper gave his lengthy evidence over a live link from Edinburgh as he was warned off attending in person.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jersey-child-abuse-inquiry-original-whistleblowers-say-abusers-still-large/03/07/

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« Reply #1747 on: July 04, 2017, 08:44:56 AM »
Francis Oldham said it was not a judicial enquiry ( it should have been with perjury charges ) she did say the police however may wish to become involved when wrong doing is evidenced.

Is this not abuse while being in public office.

Will the powers that be - be taking action ?

If not why not ?

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States Members are completely exempt from legal liability - criminal or civil - for any personal wrongdoings committed whilst carrying out their parliamentary duties. That obviously includes false statements made during States Assembly debates and I would imagine that this extends to Scrutiny Panels too.

As for civil servants who behave the same way - I am less clear on what legal liabilities they might face. In the UK, I think they could face a criminal charge of misconduct in public office or a civil claim for misfeasance in public office. However, Jersey doesn't appear to have either of these available as a legal remedy so what could they actually be charged with?

I'm also not sure whether someone who is seen to have lied during the course of giving evidence to this enquiry has full legal exemption or not - others may know. The general argument is that some witnesses would be discouraged from testifying if they thought their statements might later incriminate them, hence I would imagine that it is quite common for enquiries of this nature to offer some sort of legal indemnity to those taking part.

All accomplished oliticians are dishonest by nature to some extent or another but the golden rule is never to be caught actually lying - it's fine as long as you're not sussed out! Deputy Lewis has broken this rule and therefore I wouldn't be at all surprised if his colleagues quietly start disassociating themselves from him. As we all know, States Members are terrible at disciplining one of their own. They are just in the process of creating some sort of ombudsman who will investigate complaints in the future about States Members but we all know that the job will be given to one of their cronies to ensure that their wrongdoings in the States will just continue to go unpunished.
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« Reply #1748 on: July 05, 2017, 05:23:59 AM »
I think it was it was Deputy Tadier that iun his speech in the chamber spoke about civil servants and any members of the States including ministers who may have been to see to cover up the abuse , would the CM sack any body.  This is of course for bailhache over his liberation speech,  his cover up of victoria college abuse,  the holland affair and tried to stop the enquiry in to child abuse.
bailhache keeps saying he did not mean his speech to be taken in that way but swill he apologise, will he hell!!!! 

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« Reply #1749 on: July 05, 2017, 05:26:45 AM »
Now they should apologise to Stuart Syvret,  Mr.Power and Mr. Harper.   A public apology !!!

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« Reply #1750 on: July 05, 2017, 05:59:31 AM »
A must watch UK perspective of the Jersey Care Inquiry Report: - start at 7:35 min

http://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-4th-july-2017


UK Column News - 4th July 2017

The UK Column is an independent multimedia news website and associated newspaper.

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« Reply #1751 on: July 05, 2017, 03:09:39 PM »
Just watched this twice Gladiator.

What a breath of fresh air from independent reporters who give Bailhache a hard time, and make some very good points basically, that it was an institute failure, that is it,  end of story, knock down Haut de La Garrenne, job done and nobody will be held responsible.

What a fabulous down to earth piece of video journalism. Thanks for finding this Galdiator, I was beginning to believe that the report was a genuine effort, but now think it is a clever whitewash. Can also see why Gorse paid over £50,000 for spin doctor consultation. It all starts to make sense.

http://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-4th-july-2017

How strange from outside the island more hard hitting Journalism focusing on no - one held to account !

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Lenny Harper added that people who obstructed justice for the hundreds of victims of abuse, and even their perpetrators have escaped justice.

“There are people working in the states of Jersey and some of them in childcare today who should be in prison,” said the retired officer. “And some of the prime suspects that there is enough evidence to charge are still employed by the States of Jersey. Most have retired now, but there are still some there.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jersey-child-abuse-inquiry-original-whistleblowers-say-abusers-still-large/03/07/

The obvious question that appears to evade the powers that be is, if a person acted unlawfully against vulnerable children in their care ( abuse of public office ) then does that crime just vanish if they are retired on a states pension ?

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« Reply #1752 on: July 06, 2017, 02:53:13 AM »
It increasingly seems like nothing will change.
Already Baillache defending his liberation day speech,Lewis denying he lied and more non reporting from the media.Very little coverage on JEP online and very little on Bailiwick Express with no comments!!!
Unfortunately the international media interest wasn't sufficient to stop the Jersey Way- and so on it goes.

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« Reply #1753 on: July 07, 2017, 11:23:16 PM »
Today in the chamber Andrew Lewis said that walker and co put real pressure on him to suspend the police chief.
He was a patsy for walker.
I hope he tells the full truth now so that we can see just how awful walker really is. Remember he is now getting £40,000 to sit on a states board. ( walker ).

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« Reply #1754 on: July 11, 2017, 01:05:53 AM »
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UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD: COMPLIANCE OF DRAFT LAWS AND TRAINING OF STATES OF JERSEY EMPLOYEES
Lodged au Greffe on 7th July 2017 by Deputy L.M.C. Doublet of St. Saviour


Considering that the UK signed the European Convention on the Rights of the Child on 19th April 1990, ratified it on 16th December 1991 and it came into force in the UK on 15th January 1992 and only ratified in 2014 in Jersey ( see below hansard records) this is a very important proposition and due to be debated on 12/9/2017. This proposition should get a high level of attention to change the Jersey Way Culture towards children.

Deputy L.M.C Doublet wrote:

I would like to see the States of Jersey – all States Members and all employees, whether frontline or departmental staff – flying the flag of the UNCRC and fully embracing it. I believe that this will be a key part of the culture change recommended by the IJCI Report and necessary if we are to realise the fundamental shifts that need to take place in order to best serve all of the Island’s children. Hence the additional points within the proposition to provide a copy of the UNCRC, and additional training where relevant, to all States employees.

I urge Members to support these simple and achievable steps towards making our Island a place that puts children first.

http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyPropositions/2017/P.63-2017.pdf

In 2014 the UK approved the Jersey Government’s ratification regarding the extension of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) in Jersey. Considering that it took 21 years since States members in Jersey have been repeatedly asking when the European Convention on the Rights of the Child will be extended and ratified, it tells a lot about the priorities of the COM and their lack of interest towards Children’s rights.

Who is responsible and accountable in the States of Jersey for chasing up this very important legal issue and why did an independent outside inquiry had to highlight it again?

Is this a system failure as it does not appear in the CODE OF CONDUCT AND PRACTICE FOR MINISTERS AND ASSISTANT MINISTERS of the States of Jersey?

http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyReports/2015/R.11-2015.pdf

Further read:

UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD
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Optional Protocol on the involvement of children in armed conflict
Optional protocol on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography
Preliminary report prepared by the Government of Jersey September 2013

https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20United%20Nations%20Convention%20on%20the%20Rights%20of%20the%20Child%20report%2020140918%20CS.pdf

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