The real identity of Time for Change!

[Jason the Maverick]

Would you believe it !!! 

[en830]

LoL

[Terminator 4]

No way!

[en830]

They've change identities again, and this is much nearer the mark !!
Time4Change

[debumblebee]

Does Time 4 Change still exist does anybody know? I know it was as election ploy identical to the Conservative Party so did they only exist for the elections?

[churchill]

I think like others before" TIME FOR CHANGE "had no MUSCLE and was simply not organised enough.

[debumblebee]

I agree to some extent but the majority of voters look for much more mature politics and the age of the voters has a bearing on this. Anybody can get up on a stage and say the existing establishment is a load of rubbish but people want properly thought out alternatives and suggestions, and if you dont have any, the main voting public will just reject you. The JDA are a prime example of this when they were quized about alternate taxes to GST. If you cant convince people you really know the answers then you wont get the top job. No doubt in the next elections we will see yet another new party coming out with the same thing. Another problem I can see with party politics is that the public sees a bunch of people in the States that dont have any power. So when it comes to re-election they are just viewed as people desperate for a job. The deputy back door critics do have a point here.

[Norman_Point]

The current cosy, symbiotic, composition of the States Assembly of so-called "independent" representatives is archaic and obsolete, and should go.

What we Islanders sometimes forget that - even with an estimated population of 100,000 souls - we occupy a very small island.  In other words, we are no larger (politically speaking) than a medium-sized English town or a small county council.

What is needed in Jersey is an adversarial system of government that can be seen in any other legislature from a town council upwards in almost any other country.  The Westminster parliament admittedly has its operative failures (and I do not refer to the recent expenses scandal), but it works.

[churchill]

I have to agree with both debumblebee and Norman Point on this.
On the whole the new members are a waste of space. And the size of government is absolutely crazy.
Is there any chance of real change in the next elections ?
I dont agree with Len Normans ideas when it comes to his way of "suporting local business" because he is not. But im with him all the way on his move to remove the constables from sitting in the states .
Living in jersey could be life enriching .

[Mark Forskitt]

So what to make of the open primary used to select the next Conservative candidate in Totnes. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8158615.stm
There seems to be a general consensus that the UK parties are on their knees. I suspect the problem is too many 'safe' seats. This mechanism gives constituents a meaningful vote in what might otherwise be a foregone conclusion in the final election.

[debumblebee]

I agree with the Constables being removed but I also think some deputies should go. Like I mentioned before some just do not have any power because their beliefs or proposals are shot down all the time because they are either dam right stupid or just personal for popularity with a minority. A recent example is the salary increases tabled for States workers when inflation is negative. There are some business leaders over here that look at some deputies in disbelief.

[Norman_Point]

but I also think some deputies should go.

Are you talking in quantitive terms or are you referring to specific (but as yet unnamed by you) deputies?

[debumblebee]

Deputies that have no power and got in through the back door via a small number of votes (including cheating and court appearances).  These people are not worth £44K a year and like the car insurance advert "simples".

[Norman_Point]

Do you want the allegedly delinquent deputies summarily fired, right now?

[stoneface]

Deputies that have no power and got in through the back door via a small number of votes (including cheating and court appearances).  These people are not worth £44K a year and like the car insurance advert "simples".

Here's an idea. It's not my idea, but I can't remember where I've stolen it from.

We don't have a set salary for States Members. Instead, each candidate publicly declares on the electoral form how much s/he wants to do the job. Who ever gets elected is paid that wage, and the money comes from their constituents. That way we can weigh up value for money when electing our representatives!