Author Topic: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?  (Read 2214 times)

Jason the Maverick

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Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« on: August 25, 2008, 04:48:31 AM »
POLL.

It has been mentioned on another thread that Shona Pitman lives in St Johns yet is standing for a seat in St Helier as Deputy.  Somebody has said that when they vote for a deputy they think it is important that the person represents their parish or district and not just the Island.

I can understand this because after all voters can only vote in their allocated area.  But what do you think?
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Offline Jersey Spud

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 04:53:19 AM »
Only if its in the corner wearing one of those pointy hats.

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 06:58:15 AM »
If this is about Mrs Pitman (hasn't she put on some weight?) the only place she would ever get elected is in st helier no 2 where she can promise to the guilible states housing community and will be believed. She has done frik all in the last 3 years other than buy a house when those she makes promises to can't afford a holiday, never mind a house.

If you made her stand in the parish she lives in she would have no chance
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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 07:07:08 AM »
I have never really thought about it, but it is all wrong.  Just imagine getting a deputy from St Helier standing in St Mary?  They could not even vote for them self for starters.

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 07:14:13 AM »
Clearly Deputy Pitman doesn't want to be disturbed in the countryside either. In the phone book it lists it as "residence, Urgent calls only:o

Having done a quick check, the Bailiff, AG, Chief Minister and even old SSS (who all list their home numbers in the book) don't impose such limitations.

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 08:46:28 AM »
I have never really thought about it, but it is all wrong.  Just imagine getting a deputy from St Helier standing in St Mary?  They could not even vote for them self for starters.

As I've said on another post, she only moved to St Johns a few months ago. Actually she puts in a lot of unseen and unreported work on behalf of her constituents, and constituents of other districts in St Helier use her when they get no joy from their own.

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 08:52:05 AM »
I think we need a link for that one limpet!

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 09:05:37 AM »
As I've said on another post, she only moved to St Johns a few months ago. Actually she puts in a lot of unseen and unreported work on behalf of her constituents, and constituents of other districts in St Helier use her when they get no joy from their own.

and yet she is in the telephone book that was printed in 2007? how come I can't get JT to print where I may be living next year if it was only a FEW months ago? sure it wasn't a year or more ago? how much of the other stuff you just mentioned on her behalf is stretched as well?
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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 09:11:09 AM »
and yet she is in the telephone book that was printed in 2007? how come I can't get JT to print where I may be living next year if it was only a FEW months ago? sure it wasn't a year or more ago? how much of the other stuff you just mentioned on her behalf is stretched as well?

She moved to St John in December 2007.

I don't live in St Helier, but I know some of her constituents for whom she has acted on their behalf with regard to housing issues.

Re other constituents, it was also a housing issue and concerned the district where Alistair Maclean, amongst others is deputy - they did absolutely nothing to help their constituents in this case - not even answer letters.
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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 09:13:40 AM »
Actually she puts in a lot of unseen and unreported work on behalf of her constituents.

I am one of her constituents. And if she's certainly "unseen" in my neck of the woods.

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2008, 09:14:08 AM »
Sorry - But I think a lot of contributors to this thread just haven’t thought about what they’re saying.

We are governed by a legislature. It takes decisions – makes laws, enacts policies – which affect every last one of us living in Jersey.

All 53 elected members contribute to that process.

Therefore all 53 seats should be regarded as fair game to any person who wishes to contest them.

Think about it; by endorsing a view which says you can only run for election in the area you live in – you’re greatly restricting democracy, providing an artificial degree of protection to elected members – and most significantly you would actually be depriving the voters of that district of a full choice.

Suppose it’s a small country parish. Suppose there are just two of the usual suspects standing – identikit country parish candidate clichés. Imagine you’re a voter living in that parish; you don’t want either of these two clowns; you want Joe Smith to contest the seat, because his views far more closely match yours. But he happens to live in a different parish.

If you’ve restricted who can stand where – your man, Joe Smith, wouldn’t be able to run – and you would be deprived of the opportunity to vote for a candidate you actually agreed with.

Personally, I don’t think there is any getting away from the principle that, in a democracy, all seats should be open to be contested by whoever wants to seek election.

There is a restriction at work in Jersey – namely that on the ability to contest the position of Constable. With the exception of St. Helier (I think) you have to be resident in the parish should you wish to seek election as Constable. This state of affairs is utter nonsense and it should be de-restricted.

Democracy must equal maximum range of choice for the voting public. Artificial barriers to candidacy restrict that choice.

Stuart.

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2008, 09:15:07 AM »
She moved to St John in December 2008.

88 miles per hour past the broken clock on St Johns Parish Church.....

You can do it McFly ;)

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2008, 09:21:11 AM »
There is a restriction at work in Jersey – namely that on the ability to contest the position of Constable. With the exception of St. Helier (I think) you have to be resident in the parish should you wish to seek election as Constable. This state of affairs is utter nonsense and it should be de-restricted.

That statement shows no understanding whatsoever of the Constable's position as father of the parish. 

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2008, 09:25:25 AM »
88 miles per hour past the broken clock on St Johns Parish Church.....

You can do it McFly ;)

Sorry Spud, meant 2007 - I've changed it now!

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Re: Should Deputies be allowed to stand anywhere?
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2008, 09:27:33 AM »
while I agree to some extent to your views Stuart, what I am getting at is that these people will not get voted in in any other areas and are therefore undemoratically elected. You can stand up and say that you represent the people of Jersey, not all, but from the number of votes, the majority of the great unwashed. Others scrape in with promises to people who are desperate for something to change in their lives and some bottom feeders use this knowledge to get into politics.
Bring about an islandwide vote or larger constituencies and you can start to say it is democracy in action, but not when some can walk into politics through either using promises they won't keep or even worse getting in unchallenged.
not democratic and not representing the majority of the great unwashed.
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