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Offline boatyboy

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2010, 07:05:37 PM »

The names, positions and salaries of all Whitehall officials earning more than £150,000 have been published online as David Cameron trys to “open up the corridors of power”.

The disclosure of the public sector “rich list” will result in the release of large swathes of previously confidential information on pay levels and how billions of pounds in taxpayers’ money is spent in the coming months, the names of any civil servant earning more than £58,000 will be released. It is expected to be followed by the details of tens of thousands more public sector workers, from headmasters to GPs, being opened up to public scrutiny.

Mr Cameron and his ministers insist the process of lifting the “cloak of secrecy” around government is essential to win back voter trust after the expenses scandal and a breakdown of public belief in the political system.

They believe that publishing details and salaries of senior public sector workers will force officials to become accountable for their actions, and to justify their pay and the taxpayers’ money they spend.

Mr Cameron and George Osborne, the Chancellor, have indicated that it should generally be unacceptable for public sector workers to earn more than the Prime Minister, who is paid £142,500 after he took a pay cut.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7791600/Public-sector-rich-list-salaries-of-civil-servants-who-earn-more-than-PM.html

The Cabinet Office today published the salaries of the highest-earning senior civil servants. The figures are the first in a series of data that the government has promised to make available to the public.

Top earners
The name, job title, grade and salary level of senior civil servants with salaries of more than £150,000 were released today. This is the first time that some of this information has ever been made public.
The top earners on the list are, please click on link to find out from the Government web site.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_188114.

Its being a long time coming and is it not reasonable for university well educated, professional civil servants to earn a good living ? I have no issue with that. However the fact is, unlike the Ceo of a private company which will compete in a hostile market place, and ( with the exceptions of a few, namely bankers ) they are paid on performance. No good performance, no good job, ask any football manager.

The truth is that the public sector is paid by the working public and most are no doubt very good at what they do. I agree with Cameron, Legg and Vince Cable, there should be no earthly reason for society not to know how much its administrators are costing the public purse. I am sure many feel they are worth the high reward and more than capable of proving it.

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2010, 08:14:10 PM »
It would be good to see all public sector wages published even if it is the average wage eg - police, firemen, schoolteachers nurses, TTS staff, Environment officers, and then we could have a decent cull where we could save the public purse.

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2010, 01:57:52 PM »
totally agree dundee, the way to go.

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2010, 05:33:09 PM »
per capita, Jersey has massively more public servants earning more than the prime minister than the UK. Take that glorified landlord on the waterfront as a prime example, but how many others like him are not shown in that sham of "public accounts" as they are part of a quango or only "part" owned by the states.

Bout time we knew what we pay our taxes for and also see how many of these high earners are on a final salary pension.

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2010, 11:10:09 PM »
The £70,000 pay group are middle management of which at least 55% are useless in the job that they are in charge of. It did come about by the numbers of workers underneath you in your charge and the amount of equipment that you were  responsible for. So you made yourself a little kingdom and argued that you needed some assistant managers and then you move up to the next grade. Some of these managers have been found out and are in the wilderness now but not sacked just sidelined out of the way. Just maybe the cuts might be these useless ones to get the chop.

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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2010, 06:06:21 PM »
Don't hold your breath Chevvie , the useless Roseers will be the ones advising as to who should be offered redundancy.
Seriously ,it is incredible that people doing nothing ,other than over seeing other people actually believe they have a job, it is middle management fat , which in the private sector has been trimmed, cut , booted,which needs to be eliminated.
don't get me started on HR (Human Resources) ! Or health and safety occifers , what a waste of freakin money !
Non jobs for non starters who could not hold down a real job.
Interestingly enough , this recession has been going along for quite a while now , I make it about three years ..at what point do those in charge stop talking about "New Quangoes" to dish out more of OUR money and start making cuts?
I suppose they will start to consider the views of the proletariat , when we burn their Roseing houses down!
Not that in anyway I would encourage violence against the dumb, useless, festering pricks , who believe they are in charge.
Time for a change and i do not mean the Walkers who are useing that as a political name.
Someone once said , "the people are two meals away from revolution", it really is time that those in the SOJ stopped their mastubatory performances and woke up to their actual duties of running this Island , it is not about scoring points , it is about being in charge of a sound economy.

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2011, 05:41:05 PM »


In the news tonight public sector wages.

Lets also get this straight, the public fully own WEB before it becomes  Jersey Development ltd
 which the public will be also own being the shareholders.  To prove it the  CM and Treasury minister have to sign off the deals on our behalf. This being a fact then Jerseys’ shareholders have every right to expect accountability for wages paid. It also follows that an explanation is required as to why for at least two years running, Mr Stephen Izatt was awarded bonuses ( last year £30,00) which were not linked to productivity.

An inquest should also be held into why he is being paid close to £300,000 a year and who awarded that remuneration for a job which  Mr Izatt does not have to compete in any market place, or even show a profit. How much are  fellow WEB employees costing the tax payer..................... indirectly of course being a side show of states department?

JEP

AN ‘urgent’ review of States salaries has been launched following the revelation that the Island’s new Hospital director is costing the taxpayer £18,000 a month.

www.thisisjersey.com/2011/03/02/urgent-action-pledge-over-top-public-sector-pay/

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2011, 11:14:33 AM »
JEP

The major development in the public sector pay saga happened yesterday afternoon as a proposition by Deputy Roy Le Hérissier to give the States the power to block any salary over £100,000 came to the House.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2011/03/30/states-back-crackdown-on-high-salaries/

So.

About time too. Lets see if the council of  munsters try vote against the proposition. Next move remove GST ( aiding tourism and causing less states bureaucracy  ) and increase tax on those earning above £80,000 a year by 40%. Listen to the screams come from the states executives.

Let’s not forget other jurisdictions’, as we are always told. Tax in the  UK rises to 40% after earnings of £38,000. Then 50% above a £150,000 earnings ceiling, sorry Mr Izatt the 50% should happen as long as the hated GST is dumped.

It follows high earners would be still much better off in Jersey, and this move would add to the growth prospects of a small island.

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2011, 12:50:14 PM »
JEP

The major development in the public sector pay saga happened yesterday afternoon as a proposition by Deputy Roy Le Hérissier to give the States the power to block any salary over £100,000 came to the House.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2011/03/30/states-back-crackdown-on-high-salaries/



It is not bad thing, but I would not  hold my breath  on it having any significant impact.  The Hay system effectively rewards people for building empires (ie having more responsibility) So it is numbers of staff and where they are placed that matter .  In a strange quirk it seems the more responsibility you have in the civil service the less likely you are to actually have to face the consequences of something going wrong.  That, it seems, is delegated downward.

I cannot see any change being effective unless the civil service is accountable to the political body (the States) AND that political body is accountable to the people.  If individual States members have the sense that their elected position is relatively safe electorally then that last link is in danger.  We need, as a minimum,  STV for multi-member constituencies, and reopen nominations for all elections.

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2011, 01:32:24 PM »
The numbers of staff and equiment that the department holds along with the skills that are required to be over seen makes for your salary.
Now a useless manager will only employ any other under mangers that know less that him. So you see how the States waste money because the bosses do not know anything about the jobs requiring to be carried out within their department and huge cook ups is the results.

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Re: States Salaries
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2011, 02:45:05 PM »
I witnessed a huge cook up at the Portugese fair a few years ago..........
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