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Jason the Maverick

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Letter from the rag:
« on: April 13, 2008, 02:24:51 AM »
The divide widens

From Deputy Geoff Southern.

La Rochelle, Bellozanne Road, St Helier.

SO, the Treasury Minister, Senator Le Sueur, took some time in front of the Institute of Directors to assure his audience that ‘there is no conflict between economic prosperity and social justice’. How true, one would imagine that improved prosperity would positively contribute to better social justice. But as you point out in your editorial comment of 10 April, the ‘trickle-down’ effect from the haves to the have-nots is not a conspicuously effective mechanism for delivering social justice. The minister must now demonstrate how social wellbeing can be delivered.
Unfortunately he has not made a good start by removing £90 million from company tax and placing £60 million of that burden on the shoulders of resident working people using the regressive GST as the principal mechanism. Nor did he help by refusing exemptions on basic needs which impact more on the budgets of low earners. Remember that although 3% sounds relatively small, the GST bill for the average pensioner couple will be over £600 a year.
In order to ensure that the working population of the Island take their medicine he has unveiled his so-called anti-inflation strategy, otherwise known as a wage restraint policy. Prices will rise from May this year by 3%, or 5% after business has passed on the administration costs, from GST and this will come on top of global inflation running at 4% plus. In 2009, the minister will offer around 3%, based on his new RPI(Y) measure, to the teachers, nurses, manual workers and others employed by the States. The private sector will be encouraged to follow suit. We shall all be poorer.
Jersey, the third richest economy in the world, currently spends less than 75% of the EU average on social protection. By internationally recognised standards, 45% of single pensioners and 64% of single parents and their children live in relative poverty. 8,000 out of a workforce of 53,000 are claiming Income Support. In comparison with the Isle of Man, for example, while their average wage is £26,000 ours is 23% higher at £32,000; our minimum wage, however is the same as theirs, at £5.80. This is not a good starting point for the delivery of social justice.
Income Support is supposed to protect those in greatest need. Your opinion column says ‘it has the makings of a step in the right direction’. If only that were the case. ‘Helping people to help themselves is the best strategy’ says the minister.
But if you wish to help yourself by returning to work, or working more hours, then under Income Support, for every extra £1 you earn you will lose 94 pence from your benefit. Helping yourself by earning 6p an hour hardly sounds like a step in the right direction. Helping yourself by working hard and saving for your retirement is also penalised under Income Support. Do not save too hard, because single pensioners will have Income Support severely reduced for any savings over £12,000.
Income Support was ‘sold’ to States members on the basis that it would redistribute benefits to the most needy.
Early evidence suggests that this is not true. Transition payments protect most for now, but come October, many of those on low incomes, below £200 per week, will see the money in their pocket cut by a few pounds because they no longer have free consultation with their GP under HIE. Free access to GP services has been eliminated. No one knows where the costs of a home visit, or God forbid, a night visit will come from. Many of those claiming for a disability (Attendance Allowance or Adult Disablement Allowance) will be particularly hard hit by Income Support, with families losing between £40 and £100 per week.
Now that the final safety net of parish welfare has also been removed, those who need urgent additional help also find themselves without support. The special payments fund has already routinely refused urgent assistance with dental costs, high winter heating bills and parish rates which used to be covered in some cases.
Despite all the assurances that the delivery of social justice is high on the agenda of the Council of Ministers, neither the Chief Minister, nor his Treasury Minister and certainly not the Minister for Social Security, has delivered anything but platitudes and humbug, while the social and economic divide grows wider and deeper as we watch.

Published 11/4/2008

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Re: Letter from the rag:
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2008, 04:24:52 AM »
As usual stating what most people accept, but where's his alternate solutions ????
You can't get good chinese takeout in China and cuban cigars are rationed in Cuba. That's all you need to know about communism

Jason the Maverick

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 12:55:47 AM »
The JDA have always been the same, in pointing out how badly done by the workers in Unions are and people with little money, but they never come up with any solutions.

This vote for change stance they have is a dead duck (at the moment).  What change?  They have no solutions.

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 03:17:06 PM »
Say that on their web-site and you'll be branded a right wing thug !!!
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Jason the Maverick

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 03:23:44 PM »
I am getting weary of it all.  "Ozouf's party".  It is becoming a farce to be frank.

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 04:13:28 PM »
Say that on their web-site and you'll be branded a right wing thug !!!

I did, I was, I got banned.

Jason the Maverick

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 04:52:58 PM »
And me.  I got barred for not agreeing to be anti-finance.

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 05:51:06 AM »
I'm still the voice of reason on there, just !!!!
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Re: Letter from the rag:
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2008, 01:23:15 PM »
The divide widens

From Deputy Geoff Southern.

La Rochelle, Bellozanne Road, St Helier.

SO, the Treasury Minister, Senator Le Sueur, took some time in front of the Institute of Directors to assure his audience that ‘there is no conflict between economic prosperity and social justice’. How true, one would imagine that improved prosperity would positively contribute to better social justice. But as you point out in your editorial comment of 10 April, the ‘trickle-down’ effect from the haves to the have-nots is not a conspicuously effective mechanism for delivering social justice. The minister must now demonstrate how social wellbeing can be delivered.
Unfortunately he has not made a good start by removing £90 million from company tax and placing £60 million of that burden on the shoulders of resident working people using the regressive GST as the principal mechanism. Nor did he help by refusing exemptions on basic needs which impact more on the budgets of low earners. Remember that although 3% sounds relatively small, the GST bill for the average pensioner couple will be over £600 a year.
In order to ensure that the working population of the Island take their medicine he has unveiled his so-called anti-inflation strategy, otherwise known as a wage restraint policy. Prices will rise from May this year by 3%, or 5% after business has passed on the administration costs, from GST and this will come on top of global inflation running at 4% plus. In 2009, the minister will offer around 3%, based on his new RPI(Y) measure, to the teachers, nurses, manual workers and others employed by the States. The private sector will be encouraged to follow suit. We shall all be poorer.
Jersey, the third richest economy in the world, currently spends less than 75% of the EU average on social protection. By internationally recognised standards, 45% of single pensioners and 64% of single parents and their children live in relative poverty. 8,000 out of a workforce of 53,000 are claiming Income Support. In comparison with the Isle of Man, for example, while their average wage is £26,000 ours is 23% higher at £32,000; our minimum wage, however is the same as theirs, at £5.80. This is not a good starting point for the delivery of social justice.
Income Support is supposed to protect those in greatest need. Your opinion column says ‘it has the makings of a step in the right direction’. If only that were the case. ‘Helping people to help themselves is the best strategy’ says the minister.
But if you wish to help yourself by returning to work, or working more hours, then under Income Support, for every extra £1 you earn you will lose 94 pence from your benefit. Helping yourself by earning 6p an hour hardly sounds like a step in the right direction. Helping yourself by working hard and saving for your retirement is also penalised under Income Support. Do not save too hard, because single pensioners will have Income Support severely reduced for any savings over £12,000.
Income Support was ‘sold’ to States members on the basis that it would redistribute benefits to the most needy.
Early evidence suggests that this is not true. Transition payments protect most for now, but come October, many of those on low incomes, below £200 per week, will see the money in their pocket cut by a few pounds because they no longer have free consultation with their GP under HIE. Free access to GP services has been eliminated. No one knows where the costs of a home visit, or God forbid, a night visit will come from. Many of those claiming for a disability (Attendance Allowance or Adult Disablement Allowance) will be particularly hard hit by Income Support, with families losing between £40 and £100 per week.
Now that the final safety net of parish welfare has also been removed, those who need urgent additional help also find themselves without support. The special payments fund has already routinely refused urgent assistance with dental costs, high winter heating bills and parish rates which used to be covered in some cases.
Despite all the assurances that the delivery of social justice is high on the agenda of the Council of Ministers, neither the Chief Minister, nor his Treasury Minister and certainly not the Minister for Social Security, has delivered anything but platitudes and humbug, while the social and economic divide grows wider and deeper as we watch.

Published 11/4/2008


A response in today's paper:


From Professor Michael Oliver.

DEPUTY Southern (JEP, 12 April) continues to champion the poorer sections of Jersey’s community. However, he should bear in mind three things.
*First, you don’t make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. ‘Trickle down’ economics might have its problems, but ‘trickle up’ economics is a dead end for income and wealth redistribution.
*Second, if Deputy Southern is serious about wanting to help poorer people in the Island, he would abandon his opposition to a third supermarket. The lower prices which an additional competitor can generate would be mainly in the interests of the less well-off in Jersey.
*Finally, he should remember that if a small minority of financial firms pulled out of Jersey, the health and education budget for the Island would disappear. His Scrutiny panel would do well to investigate whether it is true that the poorest in Jersey enjoy some of the most generous public sector subsidy in the world, taking into account all the public services which they consume and not just social protection.


Published 16/4/2008


Jason the Maverick

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Re: Letter from the rag:
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2008, 01:25:46 PM »
I think this is again all pointing towards either the JDA's non-understanding or ignorance of the finance industry.

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Re: Letter from the rag:
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2008, 02:16:40 PM »
Do you agree with everything Professor Oliver says though?

The only possible anti-finance thing in Deputy Southern's letter is his complaint about shifting a part of the tax burden from businesses to consumers (in the form of GST), but what would you say to someone (i.e. Professor Oliver) who believes that consumers should pay more tax because some financial firms will relocate if they don't?

Jason the Maverick

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Re: Letter from the rag:
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2008, 02:19:54 PM »
Well we are going back to States spending again.  It is not the way this black hole is filled but what is making it happen in the first place.


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Re: Letter from the rag:
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2008, 02:41:40 PM »
Do you agree with everything Professor Oliver says though?

I reckon the bloke is being real Malachi.  Do you not think Southern lives in a world of his own?

Davros Le Sueur

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Re: Letter from the rag:
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 10:00:43 AM »
A fool is anti finance.
A bigger fool is 100% for finance.

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Re: Letter from the rag:
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008, 10:25:26 AM »
Well cause finance fuels everything else maybe 99.9% ?