A strike of all public sector manual workers?

[Jason the Maverick]

A dispute over pension rights for St Helier parish workers could result in a strike of all public sector manual workers.
 
The T & G Unite union says that the parish is employing staff on short-term contracts to avoid having to pay pension contributions.

They say that the move breaches contractual agreements that have been in place for many years.

St Helier Constable Simon Crowcroft was told by the States deputy chief executive Mick Pinel before Christmas last year to employ its staff on a permanent basis to avoid breaching rules.

Who is running the Parish?  The Constable or Mick Pinel?

[Bea]

A dispute over pension rights for St Helier parish workers could result in a strike of all public sector manual workers.
 
The T & G Unite union says that the parish is employing staff on short-term contracts to avoid having to pay pension contributions.

They say that the move breaches contractual agreements that have been in place for many years.

St Helier Constable Simon Crowcroft was told by the States deputy chief executive Mick Pinel before Christmas last year to employ its staff on a permanent basis to avoid breaching rules.

Who is running the Parish?  The Constable or Mick Pinel?

How would you feel if they did that to your job ? They have regular outgoings to meet, same as you.Can't plan ahead,take out a loan or mortgage .Why should they not fight for security .?
Instead of picking at  the lower stratas of public workers,let's try and do it to those on £100k salaries who clearly do not justify the sort of money they are picking up .
Those at the top are smarter and more  au fait how to manipulate the system.Would never see them going on temp contracts would we ?

[Jason the Maverick]

I disagree.

As a rates and tax payer I am pleased to see some restraint.

[Bea]

I disagree.

As a rates and tax payer I am pleased to see some restraint.

You would disagree,gathered that .Lets see soem restraint then further up the ladder, where the big savings are .
And you disagree about fighting for your own job,when Finance start penny pinching and trying to make savings .Or they move your Job out to China,as labour is 20 ten times cheaper than what it costs to employ you .You would welcome that with open arms ,as all's fair in the name of business  and making a profit to you ?

[Jason the Maverick]

Well I do work in finance and I do not have a pension scheme!

So the Parish workers are asking for something which I do not have in the bag!

[Bea]

Well I do work in finance and I do not have a pension scheme!

So the Parish workers are asking for something which I do not have in the bag!

Suggest you do look for a job that does  ,most companies in Finance sector offer at least that .Bit of security for you future if we are all going the pan.Think you are being exploited if they are not offering what their competitors do .

[Jason the Maverick]

Maybe 

Going back to topic!

Why should I pay higher rates and tax to give a States worker a pension?

[Bea]

Maybe 

Going back to topic!

Why should I pay higher rates and tax to give a States worker a pension?

Because the Trade Unions and the members  worked hard  to get decent standards for their members in the early days .Workers had no rights ,awful conditions . Why should employers not share some of the profits their Masters make ?
In the case of public workers  their Masters are supposed to be  us, so we should ensure that they are far more accountable and efficient .
If we did not offer them similar rights ,they would move to the private sector who currently because of the supply and demand thing do offer incentives.
When things get tough ,Employers can afford to hold workers to ransom with blackmail threats  and take away benefits because it can .
I have no trouble giving my taxes to the man who cleans my bins,disposes the sewerage ,than some of the ones higher up the chain .We could live without a communications department , but a build up of rubbish and sewer overflow is less easy to live with.
Their work is more important in many ways than a penpusher in a pin striped suit.

[Jason the Maverick]

Hang on a minute!  You are ordering me to spend even more money because I am supposed to support other people's futures!

Sorry, I have enough to pay out thanks!

[Bea]

Hang on a minute!  You are ordering me to spend even more money because I am supposed to support other people's futures!

Sorry, I have enough to pay out thanks!

Well why should we pay income support to you in your old age to top up the fact you did not have a pension scheme ?

[Jason the Maverick]

I won't even be over in Jersey 

[en830]

Most companies in Finance sector offer at least that .Bit of security for you future if we are all going the pan.Think you are being exploited if they are not offering what their competitors do .

No they don't, it's becoming more and more common for companies within the finance industry to offer a higher final salary package and no pension. They leave it up to the individual to choose what they do with their money and how they save for retirement.

[Jason the Maverick]

Well if you follow the news, Pension products are a bit sparce at the moment.

Unless you want to have your own set up with a cell company etc.

[Ex Mod]

JTM said who is in charge answer = The Union, but they are right short term contacts are a great way of getting out of giving full benefit's gained from a long term contract

[Jason the Maverick]

I think the fact is that it is the rate and tax payers that have to pay for these benefits and we pay enough thank you!