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Offline boatyboy

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Parking in St Helier 2012.
« on: February 03, 2012, 05:39:39 PM »

Far to many white vans parking in St. Helier, and to wide blocking up the streets and car parks said the influential man,

I was having a conversation with a while back. Whats the plan said I, the plan is to ban all vans over a certain size he said using his chairmans frown.

There's a couple of problems that you will have to address first, said I.

I won't bore you with all the details but the main point of my disagreement was that society is made up of a tapestry of workers, providing services and skills in order to make a living and in Jersey, there being such a premium to rent storage space, tradesman will use their van to be efficient. He went off moaning mumbling to himself !

Pressure on parking the Constable of St. Helier tells us, page 19 of the town crier, its taken a long time for him to accept that fact. Worse, the majority of the big house really don't care about the average Joe or Josephine let alone Mr I need to carry tools and spares to fix your house. If they lost the privileged parking granted to themselves by themselves, they may then in fact join the reality of the nightmare, which is real and now, and affecting quality of life in Jersey's main residential, business and retail capital.

In 2012 the Esplanade Carpark will be gone thanks to JDC Ltd but promised car parking elsewhere is promised, like Gas Place ?

Millennium park is here the car park is history. The Constable, happy to explain how residents parking is a big success, forgets that parking at weekends and after six and before eight was free for anyone. Now friends cannot visit, no parking allowed, and rather than a fluid and fairer system we now have in very reduced residents parking at a cost of £230 pounds per annum and a restrictive practice serving a small minority.

It is of course not all Constable Crowcroft's fault. There should have been parking installed under the new town park as the original plan.  It happened at the Waterfront. This is to serve a loss making pool, food and cinema businesses and no doubt an overflow for Radisson's and Dandara's flats. Not for the like of ordinary working residents, who only got a park because of a ring binder got grouchy. Count yourselves lucky you ordinary working people.

Page nineteen also tells us how far removed from reality some politicians really are when if I may quote we are told, "  we were being reassured that the parking displaced from Gas Place could be accommodated at Green Street".

Thats about right really, pouring with rain, living in the residential area around David or even Gas Place with a small child and the shopping and all you have to do is park in Green Street car park and walk home tired, wet and wondering if the people who decided on these dismal schemes to improve the quality of peoples lives actually live on this planet let alone Jersey.

Just in................ Minister Lewis of TTS says St Helier has enough parking, speaking from his imagined spaceship, somewhere unknown to islanders.

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Offline Lokel_Yokel

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Re: Parking in St Helier 2012.
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 07:04:59 PM »
I only go into town when I really have to nowadays - mainly for the lack of parking and partly because of limited direct access, especially anything towards the north end of town......life is simply too short!

and I mostly ride a scooter.

My guess it is a concious decsion to drive the commercial sector down to the Windy City by gutting the rest of town, coupled with a few folk down at Public Works (or whatever they are called nowadays) who are fully trained (in England!) with ideas that have long since been shown to devastate the heart of small towns.......and therefore communities. Maybe it's also some sort of half assed population control as well? (no business = no jobs = no people?_ Probably also some tree hugging agenda - no cars = good?.....forgetting that no commerce = no fat pension.

A lot of shopkeepers in St Helier counting down the days until their lease expires.........not sure how a bicycle based finance industry will fare in a globalised world.....
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Re: Parking in St Helier 2012.
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 07:06:47 PM »
I reckon there are enough parking spaces in town. Just too many restrictions and traffic wardens.
How many ,"Disabled only", spaces remain empty all day. And how many cars parked "Illegally", actually restrict traffic flow?

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 07:22:38 PM »
I reckon there are enough parking spaces in town. Just too many restrictions and traffic wardens.
How many ,"Disabled only", spaces remain empty all day. And how many cars parked "Illegally", actually restrict traffic flow?

Not sure how you come up with "enough"...........but that aside, if I ruled the world (even I'm glad I don't!):-

- MultiStory carpark on the Esplanade Car Park - might even make the new shopping centre commercially viable (a shopping centre with zero parking? - only in Jersey  :()
- New (bigger) multistory car park on Green Street
- MultiStory in Snowhill carpark (with fast lift access to the Fort from the Snow hill side)
- Multistory on Gas place - stick the garden on top.
- and maybe a cable car to Pier Road car park!

These are all on the edge of the ring road - so would cut down on cars circulating to hunt for parking spaces........and would encourage people back into town to shop.

These could all be built to look no worse than D#ndara style flats.

Free Parking for Politicos (and States Employees - but no reserved parking).....so they all get a good sense of parking availability.

Scrap the scrathcards (a "Freinds & family" deal if ever I saw one  >:()......and use some number plate reading technology.

I would also send traffic wardens around the ring road / key routes during the rush hours on Noddy Bikes (mopeds / bicycles) with illegal parking during rush hour (4.30 to 7) punished by £200 fine. or death. or both  ;D.


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Re: Parking in St Helier 2012.
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 10:10:36 PM »
 quite true  no one cares where the  working man with a van full of tools to fix or construct whatever, parks. rent a lock up?  theres another £140  a month minimum, and are like hens teeth in town.
 some trades  will not even price a job in some areas of town. and  i do wonder where  friends and relatives will park  when they come to visit, when we move to town.
 there is none , its all residental.
 so guess we will see no one

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Re: Parking in St Helier 2012.
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2012, 04:49:39 PM »
also  vans with ladders on  do not fit in a multi storey some even struggle with a roof rack on. i am so glad that i dont need to  park  "the van" around the streets of st helier , the only place i think is worse is  st aubins .
 we often joke about  bringing the hand cart back and push it round st helier  for  our work, must be difficult to  book a hand cart , and no pay and display.