Dandara's Jersey Pottery Site plans

[newmac]

http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2012/01/13/gorey-residents-come-out-in-force-to-oppose-village-plan/

The plans for the site are 3 and 4 bedroom 3 storey town houses mainly built around the perimeter of the site over looking a lot of the exsisting propeties.

[imacrappaud]

It looks to me that the developers are trying to expand their horizons out of St Helier but the local yocals are having none of it. At what point do the yocals have to say, hold on Jersey is running out of land so we need to give a bit of leeway?

I hope they dont cave in and give leeway but it comes a time, which seems to be right now that there is no choice. In my opinion the Dandara development will go ahead and nobody will have a say abouit it, it is just a matter of time, and Dandara can easily ride that out

[Fritz]

Dandara have already started off-loading ,"5 year qualified", staff onto the benefits queue. They have hundreds more if they dont get their way.

[newmac]

The development will go ahead I just hope they are made to change the plans and have some consideration for the properties bordering the site.

Some of the houses in Clos de sergeant (normal 2 storey) are looking at having 3 storey buildings built with a small terrace/balcony looking into there bedrooms, virtually all the houses around the perimeter of the site are going to be over looked, at one point the new 3 storey house will be less than 30 foot away from a small 2 storey house and will have 8 windows over looking it.

The approved design that the potteries had passed in 2010 had most of the house being built closer to the middle of the site, so there was a lot less loss of privacy.

[newmac]

Dandara have already started off-loading ,"5 year qualified", staff onto the benefits queue. They have hundreds more if they dont get their way.

I heard the same, I suppose if there not selling house/flats theres no point in building them, they've still got over 80 to build at five oaks

[man in the street]

 time past if  our garden had been over looked ,  by the neigbours, they would of drawn the curains or blinds  and called the police , as we enjoyed a good load of fun in the garden ( our nextdoor neibours  were  with us too , so no complaint  there .
 sadly we cant afford the craic  anymore .

[Fritz]

I see Freddie gave them a reason to appeal the refusal for the St Brelade project by admitting that his decision was politically motivated.

[shortport]

Are Dandara grinding to a halt?
They seem to have stopped or not even started some of their big projects.Belvedere the old Wesley chapel site in St.helier and the massive thing they have had planning permission for at West Mount.
I haven't heard they are laying off staff,is this true?

[Fritz]

I,ve had more folk walking onto sites asking for work in the last two weeks than I had in the whole of 2011. All ex-Dandara employees.

[Grumpy Old Woman]

I know that this is slightly off topic, but Fritz above referred to the Zanzibar site so I thought that it might be Ok to add this here - after all it is all Dandara related ....

I just posted the below on the This Is Jersey website in response to their article on the Zanzibar site - I don't suppose it will get past the moderators so I will repeat it here to see if anyone agrees or not....

" Before Freddie gave up his coveted position of Environment Minister it was becoming obvious to anyone with a single functioning brain cell that he just HAD to be in cahoots somehow with Dandara ..... absolutely anything they wanted, they got.

Consider this scenario .....

With all the adverse publicity that Freddie was receiving re the above, (it must have been tiresome for him, not to mention too near the truth) and his new found enjoyment of jollies at the expense of the taxpayer as Jersey's first Foreign Minister, he decided to give up his role as Environment Minster, and as a parting shot, considering the upcoming elections, he decided that it would be good show to reject one of Dandara's projects - just to prove he was not biased in their favour!

He therefore officially rejects their plans for this 7 bedroomed, ugly monstrosity but cites a reason (a political one rather than a planning one) that he just knew (as would have Dandara) that it would be easily overturned at a later date with a little effort on Dandara's side, but with a nice little kickback for them in the shape of compensation from the States of Jersey (for States of Jersey read taxpayers!)

The fact that Freddie is being blamed for "serious irregularities and procedural errors" is not going to bother him in the slightest - he has been proven to have wide shoulders and a thick skin.

Outcome - An overall a win-win position - both for Freddie and for Dandara.  Freddie maintains his good relations with Dandara (and whatever benefits that may bring with it) and Dandara get what they wanted having only suffered a short delay.  Financially they will be square, if not better off, because of the generosity of the Jersey taxpayer’s compensation."

[Calimachon]

I know that this is slightly off topic, but Fritz above referred to the Zanzibar site so I thought that it might be Ok to add this here - after all it is all Dandara related ....

I just posted the below on the This Is Jersey website in response to their article on the Zanzibar site - I don't suppose it will get past the moderators so I will repeat it here to see if anyone agrees or not....

" Before Freddie gave up his coveted position of Environment Minister it was becoming obvious to anyone with a single functioning brain cell that he just HAD to be in cahoots somehow with Dandara ..... absolutely anything they wanted, they got.

Consider this scenario .....

With all the adverse publicity that Freddie was receiving re the above, (it must have been tiresome for him, not to mention too near the truth) and his new found enjoyment of jollies at the expense of the taxpayer as Jersey's first Foreign Minister, he decided to give up his role as Environment Minster, and as a parting shot, considering the upcoming elections, he decided that it would be good show to reject one of Dandara's projects - just to prove he was not biased in their favour!

He therefore officially rejects their plans for this 7 bedroomed, ugly monstrosity but cites a reason (a political one rather than a planning one) that he just knew (as would have Dandara) that it would be easily overturned at a later date with a little effort on Dandara's side, but with a nice little kickback for them in the shape of compensation from the States of Jersey (for States of Jersey read taxpayers!)

The fact that Freddie is being blamed for "serious irregularities and procedural errors" is not going to bother him in the slightest - he has been proven to have wide shoulders and a thick skin.

Outcome - An overall a win-win position - both for Freddie and for Dandara.  Freddie maintains his good relations with Dandara (and whatever benefits that may bring with it) and Dandara get what they wanted having only suffered a short delay.  Financially they will be square, if not better off, because of the generosity of the Jersey taxpayer’s compensation."

I hope that isn't the case but what do we know?  Mushroom time

Cali

[Fritz]

I think ,"Grumpy old woman", is bang on with her assumptions. But that is only a personal opinion.
In my opinion, an honest planning minister would never have engineered such a, "Win-win", scenario between himself and a property developer.

[moot]

Dandara have already started off-loading ,"5 year qualified", staff onto the benefits queue. They have hundreds more if they dont get their way.

Tough ! We can not allow developers to keep building simply to keep people employed. There are probably now too many developers here for the amount of work available and some should cease trading. There is only so much space on the island and we need some of it to breath
Perhaps Dandara should go to where they come from and give all the others a chance. Good riddance I'd say

[danrok]

Clearly there must still be a market for homes built on the cheap, by unskilled labourers.

Otherwise, Dandara would have left already.

[Fritz]

Dandara wont be leaving any-time soon. Their whole English operation is run from the Jersey offices. They still have a pretty big land bank with planning permission in Jersey. In my opinion, they are, "Flexing their muscles", by off-loading more labour onto the benefits queue so they can build whatever they want on sites where they already have approval for something completely different.