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rico sorda:
The Electoral Commission

PPC yesterday voted 4 to 2 in favour  of changing the rules on the proposed Electoral Commission to allow politicians to take part.

This goes against the proposition brought by former Deputy Daniel Wimberley and passed in the States that the commission should be independent.

The main aim in all of this is to get Senator Bailhache to chair it. You could not get a more conflicted man if you tried. He wants the constables to stay etc etc

2012

And still the same old Sh*t

rs

boatyboy:
                   
So let us see.

If we want to change how the buses run have the bus operators sit on the panel. If you want changes in building industry get a lot of builders to sit on the committee.

If you want a better more efficient and accountable way to do business in the States have politicians sitting on the committee.

The only saving grace to this conflict of hypocritical nonsense, is that the States as whole can go against any suggestions from a clearly conflicted group,  after all four members the PPI voted for this shambles not the States as a whole. Let us see the minutes and voting record.

BB

man in the street:
 when  the summer comes and the carboots are back on ,  i may find  a nicely bound copy of the  clothier report , to complement  my collection  of  goverment  reports and surveys .
 the erosion of democracy  is global.
 apparently  obama  signed a  document on new years day that will make protesters in the usa , terrorists ,  in the same class as  bin laden and co.
 and allow indeffinate dettention  without legal  representation.
 

boatyboy:


Clothier Report.

Review Panel on the Machinery
of Government in Jersey

Membership

Sir Cecil Clothier, KCB, QC

Sir Kenneth Bloomfield, KCB

Professor Michael Clarke, CBE DL

Mr. John Henwood, MBE

Dr. John Kelleher

Mr. David Le Quesne

Mrs. Anne Perchard

Mr. Colin Powell, OBE

Sir Maurice Shock

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/ID%20ClothierReport%20100331%20CC.pdf

With compliments.

bb

Jerry Gosselin:
It is a disgrace about these changes to the Electoral Commission. As I pointed out in my post of 14th December, the estimated cost of the Commission is £207,000, of which £60,000 is set aside for the fees of the two external members and another £20,000 for their travel and accommodation. Obviously there would be no point in having these two experts now because unless their advice happened to correspond with the aims of Sir Philip, the other three members (two of them presumably being carefully-appointed allies of Sir Philip) simply wouldn't follow it.

Possibly we would end up with two different options being put to the islanders in a referendum- the experts' minority recommendation versus the majority's. In my opinion, a Bailhache Commission would only allow a choice of recommendations if the Bailhache one looked good alongside the experts' one. For example, if Sir Philip was smart, he would engineer a situation whereby his recommendations were pitched against, for example, a Clothier-style recommendation to switch to an all-Deputy house. This would split the reformist vote because we've already had a decade to act on the Clothier reforms but clearly there is no decisive political mandate for that, so if that option was pitched against a conservative Bailhache proposal to keep the Constables and substitute some of the urban Deputies' seats with islandwide Senators (thereby wooing the anti-Pitmans/Southern vote), the latter conservative option might win.

Put simply, the Electoral Commission should now be scrapped. Another advantage for the anti-reformists (of whom I count Bailhache as one) of having a sham Commission going through the motions for the next few years is that it will prevent the newly-elected Assembly from having any opportunity of its own to debate States reform until after the referendum- and then they will be placed under huge pressure to approve whatever recommendation polled most amongst voters, even if that is clearly not the right solution.

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