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Offline danrok

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Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« on: December 23, 2011, 12:01:33 PM »
Story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-16302032

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Unemployment in Jersey has reached its highest recorded level to date.

The States Statistics Unit said the number of people actively seeking work in Jersey had risen to 1,530 in November.

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 01:21:39 PM »
Fair comment danrok but your link to the BBC also gives us this.

Meanwhile, the 2011 census found Jersey's internationally comparable unemployment rate, as defined by the International Labour Organisation, was 4.7% which is 2,570 people.

So which is the real figure ?        1530   or   2570
« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 01:45:21 PM by boatyboy »

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 04:42:51 PM »
Fact is, none of the figures supplied by the Social Security Dept are reliable.
I know a guy who registered as unemployed in November 2010 but managed to find full time employment in Jan 2011. He contacted the department and let them know he was working full time, and yet, to this day, he still receives monthly letters threatening that his benefits will be terminated if he doesn,t attend the Job-seekers department once a week. He hasn,t received benefits since January, has worked full-time and his SS contributions have been paid.
I,ve heard of a few others in similar situations.
Not so much a case of the ,"Left hand doesn,t know what the right hand is doing", at the SS dept as, "None of the fingers and thumbs on both hands know what is happening on either side of them".

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 05:10:16 PM »
Fact is, none of the figures supplied by the Social Security Dept are reliable.
I know a guy who registered as unemployed in November 2010 but managed to find full time employment in Jan 2011. He contacted the department and let them know he was working full time, and yet, to this day, he still receives monthly letters threatening that his benefits will be terminated if he doesn,t attend the Job-seekers department once a week. He hasn,t received benefits since January, has worked full-time and his SS contributions have been paid.
I,ve heard of a few others in similar situations.
Not so much a case of the ,"Left hand doesn,t know what the right hand is doing", at the SS dept as, "None of the fingers and thumbs on both hands know what is happening on either side of them".

That is very sad Fritz, at times like this we need reliable administrators.  I wonder how they would feel having to work for £6.50 per hour.  It might do some of them good and might make them more efficient.

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 06:01:15 PM »
I told the guy to get himself signed off on the sick with stress, (induced by the threatening letters).
Lets see the desk-jockeys at SS figure that one out.

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2011, 01:12:44 PM »
Fair comment danrok but your link to the BBC also gives us this.

Meanwhile, the 2011 census found Jersey's internationally comparable unemployment rate, as defined by the International Labour Organisation, was 4.7% which is 2,570 people.

So which is the real figure ?        1530   or   2570

The real figure must be higher.  I'm sure some people won't bother registering as unemployed, for example, if their partner is working and well paid, or if they have some other source of income.

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2012, 01:15:33 AM »
I would estimate the real figure to be closer to 3K unemployed and it can only rise over the coming months, A lot of smaller firms are merging which result in job losses as there's not the business to go around, the Island and our States have to realise that we are not in a good position to ride out the world wide economic downturn.

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2012, 06:15:20 PM »
Our States won't realize nothing,just carry on with their heads in the sand catering to the wealthy as if they are the only thing that matters in this island.

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 04:07:20 PM »
and its only going to get worse!

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 05:20:22 PM »

You appear to object to immigration to Jersey but have taken the name of Major Pierson who himself was an an immigrant? 

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 06:10:39 PM »
Folk just coming to Jersey to find work and end up staying are not the problem. The problem lies with companies actively encouraging immigration,(And being licensed to do so),  by recruiting cheaper labour from abroad. Some of the folk who have settled here in the last ten years probably didn,t even know where Jersey was before they were recruited.

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 07:32:08 PM »
Yes I have chosen Major Pierson as my user name as he is probably the most notable in terms of those who have stood in  defence of our ` British' Island, which is more than can be said of many a so called Jersey man!

Immigration  as we all know, is a big problem, and if you can't see the writing on the wall then you are either blind or, have your head in the sand. Don't be fooled, look at the number of buisnesses that employ mainly foreign labour!

Look at the community who stated in a BBC report not so long ago, that they had little need to intergrate into our society as there were already sufficent numbers of them here to form thier own private community. Can you in all honestly say that this is not a problem ,and is good for our Island? My problem if indeed it is a problem, is, that I unlike many,  talk daily to men and women who are unemployed and can't get work. And the main reason for this, is that we are being swamped with cheap foreign labour!

So, I'm not here to debate that which is quite obvious to those who have eyes to see!! What I would like however is a debate within  our States as to how they, our elected representatives propose to solve this obvious and pressing problem (for that is really the problem) and how they intend getting  curbing immigrtaion and, getting our boys and girls back into work? Is that to much to ask?

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 08:23:55 PM »
Fact is, none of the figures supplied by the Social Security Dept are reliable.
I know a guy who registered as unemployed in November 2010 but managed to find full time employment in Jan 2011. He contacted the department and let them know he was working full time, and yet, to this day, he still receives monthly letters threatening that his benefits will be terminated if he doesn,t attend the Job-seekers department once a week. He hasn,t received benefits since January, has worked full-time and his SS contributions have been paid.

Fritz,

You don't actually confirm whether or not this chap was receiving Income Support whilst he was unemployed (a third of those registered as jobless don't receive any benefits at all). However, if he was receiving Income Support and he's a tenant, I hope he knows that he might continue to be entitled to Income Support, albeit at a lower rate, depending on how much he's earning now. If the Department has continued paying him Income Support at the full rate in the mistaken belief that he's still unemployed when he isn't (regardless that he says he informed them), be aware that they won't hesitate to claim back any overpayment that might have accrued.

However, another interesting fact that the Department likes to keep a secret from its claimants is that a jobless person who subsequently finds paid employment is now entitled to continue receiving his full level of Income Support for the first four weeks of his new employment, supposedly as an 'incentive' to return to work (although the unemployed will confirm that gimmicks like this don't have any effect because those who want to work will put in the same amount of effort regardless of such an 'incentive'). Once four weeks has expired, the Department should then reduce the person's Income Support in line with their new income level, but only with effect from the date that the first four weeks of employment has expired.

I am concerned that because many claimants have never been told about this four-week rule, staff at the Department may in some cases still be downgrading their benefits from the first day of employment (wrongly) but the claimants never realise that they have been shafted out of four weeks of benefit so they don't complain about it. I hope that these assessment mistakes aren't happening, but it makes me deeply suspicious when a Department deliberately fails to supply its claimants with essential information like this. Another thing the Department fails to inform claimants about is their right to appeal to the Social Security Tribunal. They only inform claimants that they can appeal their assessment to a Determining Officer, who is just another paid member of staff at Social Security. Even after a claimant has lost an appeal that has been decided by a Determining Officer, the Department still fails to inform the claimant of their further right to appeal it to an independent tribunal. This devious policy stops many from appealing bad decisions which might eventually be overturned by an independent tribunal. It stinks and I'd love an expert opinion on whether its likely to be human rights compliant or not.  >:(

Changing the subject now: Major Pierson, I hope you're aware that the original Major who died during the Battle of Jersey in 1781 spelt his name like this: PEIRSON ... hence the odd spelling of Peirson Place and Peirson Road. I suppose this news arrives too late because you've already launched your blogspot with the alternative spelling! :-[

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 10:25:47 PM »
I know one person who was claiming benefit, but found work again, only then was he told that he would still get another 4 weeks of benefits.  So, it wasn't an incentive in this case.

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Re: Jersey unemployment hit record high in November
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2012, 08:52:43 PM »
Fair comment danrok but your link to the BBC also gives us this.

Meanwhile, the 2011 census found Jersey's internationally comparable unemployment rate, as defined by the International Labour Organisation, was 4.7% which is 2,570 people.

So which is the real figure ?        1530   or   2570

In tonight's Channel Report the Jersey employment figure was given as 2569 !! Where did they get this figure from ? What the hell is going on ?