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Offline boatyboy

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2011, 05:32:13 PM »
The post by Rico (reply 41) puts in front of us all that is wrong with (some of )  Jersey’s out of control top civil servants taken from Nick Le Cornu’s blog, ( a  candidate and lawyer )he has read the  scrutiny minutes. The links are in the repy 41

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“We were dismayed, however, that correspondence between various parties appears to have been omitted. We have also been unable to find documentary evidence of the rationale of the offer final offer price and the instructions to the external negotiator” [Chairman’s Forward p5]

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So where have we heard that before oh yes, the £500,000 - man who destroyed minutes of a meeting and by illegally suspending the Police Chief, in his own special way, started a lengthy and expensive mess, with the ex police chief retiring without one charge against him. The - I am not the second man Ogley no longer lives in Jersey but no doubt we are paying him a pension.

Mr Mick Gradwell SIO brought in to take over from Harper, is so honest and reliable that he refuses to make a submission or come back and talk to a  scrutiny panel. Let us not forget Lord Napier refusing to revisit Jersey to answer questions on his expensive report.

Good old BDO Alto Jersey did turn up at Scrutiny, to be asked how they compliled their £64,000 report,  then invoiced the taxpayer ( through the States ) for another £24,000 ( reduced to £16,000 as they are generous souls ) just for attending.

Jon Richardson was working along side Treasury Minister  Phillip Ozouf. So what happened to the trail of paperwork Scrutiny are or were looking to follow.

Is it not damming and disgusting  that correspondence has gone missing,  rather than have it scrutinised, why would people do that ?

It must be very obvious to any islander with  reasonable intelligence, that if  Scrutiny ( formed and supported by the structure of Government ) can be treated in such an utterly contemptible way, what chance for the man women in the street in dealing with some States departments. Has this behaviour become the unspoken norm ?

Should there not be checks and balances to ensure punishment not reward for this type of behaviour.

The biggest mistake however is Treasury’s timing.

Syvret as far as I am aware is the only Politician that so far has said publicly that there are some corrupt senior civil servants and because they are so arrogant they pull this stroke, at election time or again has this become the norm ?

I remember Syvret took a vote to the house wanting to make it a crime for any civil servant to knowingly give false information  to a states member. Corrupt information means bad decisions being made and can mean a whole lot more.

As far I am aware like him or loath him Syvret has been the only politician to stand on a public  platform and state that ( some ) of the top civil servants are completely out of control and if he was elected he would do his best to confront this problem.

This Lime House disaster, followed by missing documents all in the bright light of day and in your face, shows he is absolutely correct.   

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« Last Edit: September 23, 2011, 05:35:13 PM by boatyboy »

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2011, 07:19:56 PM »

I remember Syvret took a vote to the house wanting to make it a crime for any civil servant to knowingly give false information  to a states member. Corrupt information means bad decisions being made and can mean a whole lot more.


I am sure that was rejected and its no surprise, would be interesting to see who rejected it because for me, any normal thinking person would not vote again for the ones who rejected it. There is only one reason for a vote rejecting it and that is that you are a liar yourself and dont want the extra work involved in covering up your lies even further.

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2011, 12:13:29 AM »
"Let's be clear on this..."

Philip Ozouf and Sarah Ferguson must be trying to deliberately mislead us, the voters, on this failed bid to purchase Lime Grove House.

Recently, they have both been blathering, in a vague way, about issues with that building, how it wasn't suitable, and how there are other suitable sites.

So, why on earth did Ozouf fail to point out that it was unsuitable, prior to losing the deal?  Why was he trying to haggle on the price, if the property was no good, instead of simply pulling out of it?

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2012, 04:34:21 PM »

The official Lime Grove House Report was Minister Philip Ozouf right ?


http://www.auditorgeneral-jersey.org/pdf/LIME_GROVE_HOUSE-REPORT.pdf


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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2012, 06:44:49 PM »
Surely if Gorst is anything like a CM then sack ozouf!

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2012, 08:18:25 PM »
Looks like Ozouf has done one to Monaco.  :D

https://twitter.com/philipozouf/status/204977301371363328

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2012, 09:10:03 PM »
Looks like Ozouf has done one to Monaco.  :D

https://twitter.com/philipozouf/status/204977301371363328

Hope the tax-payers aren,t picking up the tab for him to watch the Grand Prix.
Fact-finding mission on traffic management?

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2012, 10:13:37 PM »
Big Chris Swinson, the Auditor General also works for the UK Government, takes a non-political stance and according to the politicians I speak with, Jersey is lucky to have him as he is highly regarded. Would he be open to pressure from politicians ? seem's not.


BBC

Jersey's government watchdog has said it is seriously concerned over political interference with an inquiry into a failed bid to buy a new police station.

A letter written by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Chris Swinson, said he thought the treasury minister was attempting to smear his review.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-18147648

Another man of integrity was also concerned about political interference, retired ex police Chief Graham Power. What a shame Graham Power did not have friends in the UK Government.

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #53 on: Yesterday at 04:41:19 PM »
No word from Ozouf today, on this, he seems preoccupied with turnips at Chelsea.

https://twitter.com/#!/philipozouf

You would think someone in a senior role would have more important topics to discuss.

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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #54 on: Yesterday at 04:47:57 PM »
His job is on the line. You would have thought that he would be here trying to save his job. Does he still have the support of the States? He should be here, end of story.

I will be talking about this and other issues at 7pm tomorrow - http://www.blogtv.com/People/voiceforchildren
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Re: Taxpayer could lose £8m over Lime Grove fiasco
« Reply #55 on: Yesterday at 04:59:51 PM »
Rico - he does not seem overley bothered, trying to 'Twitter' his way out of it amongst the pansies and roses at Chelsea.

Unlike Stuart Syvret who was an honest thorn in the side to the Government, this man is a lying bully, who fails to deliver and costs the taxpayer millions. Lets see how much backbone Gorst really has over this one, because as I see it no-one is convinced by Ozouf's non-convincing spin on this.

Betcha bottom dollar he will stay in his job though (unfortunately).