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Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Cyclists.
« on: August 28, 2011, 11:27:28 AM »
Yesterday while driving from Bel Royal to St.Aubin there was a cyclist on the main road holding up all the traffic to a snail pace. Their argument is that the bike tracks are made of gravel and road bikes have very thin tyres. Well the bike track from St.Helier to St.Aubin is all tarmac so why in hells name does he ride on the main road. Remember they pay nothing towards the up keep of our roads. They really need to bring back the licence for bikes displayed just under the saddle so that they are easy to read. I believe they should have to have insurance too just like any road user. What happens if they cause a crash and they have no money to pay the damages, you or i would be in serious trouble!

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2011, 12:09:48 PM »
I agree road cyclists should pay a license fee and have a number on the back of their bikes, under the saddle as in the 'old' days.   They should also be insured for accidents.  A bicyclist can cause life threatening accidents as was proved to me in the past when a young teenage friend nearly lost her life due to an errant cyclist.  As it is she was left damaged for life. 

Who do you claim accident damage from if you have a bad accident with a cyclist

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 04:44:33 PM »
Yesterday while driving from Bel Royal to St.Aubin there was a cyclist on the main road holding up all the traffic to a snail pace. Their argument is that the bike tracks are made of gravel and road bikes have very thin tyres. Well the bike track from St.Helier to St.Aubin is all tarmac so why in hells name does he ride on the main road. Remember they pay nothing towards the up keep of our roads. They really need to bring back the licence for bikes displayed just under the saddle so that they are easy to read. I believe they should have to have insurance too just like any road user. What happens if they cause a crash and they have no money to pay the damages, you or i would be in serious trouble!

I saw that tit.
He was right in the middle of the road. I was really tempted to send him to the big velodrome in the sky.

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2011, 05:53:31 PM »
I really think cyclists should be banned from the avenue, they have a perfectly good track purely for them with sea views as well!

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2011, 09:41:35 AM »
Remember they pay nothing towards the up keep of our roads.

In that case, neither do you. There is no such thing as road tax. Roads are paid for out of general taxation to which everyone contributes. In fact, it is excessively subsidised when compared to other forms of transport. Your (and my) car tax doesn't go anywhere near to paying for the full costs of roads.

"Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937.... Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police officers, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0."

http://ipayroadtax.com/

Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2011, 02:18:32 PM »
I beg you pardon but the tax on fuel goes to the up keep of the roads which they have not done. Used that money for something else i should think! Same as the tax on cigs for the countryside etc and where has that money gone?
Now i think maybe you are a cyclist by the way you jumped Rob Kent. There are some cyclists that are causing all the trouble between motorist and cyclists. Get those idiots in order then we may all get on together.
You tell me why when over a £250,000 has been used to build a perfect track for cyclists between St.Helier and St.Aubin's and they still use the road?
There again how many times have i been held up for over 2 miles because the cyclists carried on riding two abreast. Now the highway code states that cyclists should ride in single file! I see you do not mention insurance for bike rides. So tell me when someone is crippled through an accident cause by a cyclist who is going to pay for all the medical help they will need for the rest of their life? By just lifting the lid on cyclists holding up traffic a can of worms start to come out, so i think cyclists should pay heed to keeping to bike tracks where they exist or they might just find that they will have to pay just like motorists do.

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2011, 05:27:07 PM »
Oooo Rob - this is where we will have to agree to disagree. I think cyclists and motorists in Jersey have an absolute dislike of each other, and I have to say that for my part, and speaking to other drivers, cyclists are the bane of our lives.

Maybe it should be that anybody taking to the road on a cycle should also take a test, as indeed children take cycling proficiency tests. CB is quite right inasmuch as they do not pull over into single file, and given the width of the roads here it is then almost impossible to overtake. Every morning I feel for the bus driver who drives the bus from Gorey to St. Helier and is frequently delayed due to people on bikes.

Sorry - I am sure you are far more civilised in Brighton!!

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 05:31:09 PM »
I think Cyclists should be taxed to pay for the construction and upkeep of cycle tracks.

Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2011, 05:51:08 PM »
Quite right Fritz!

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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2011, 05:59:27 PM »
Now i think maybe you are a cyclist by the way you jumped Rob Kent. There are some cyclists that are causing all the trouble between motorist and cyclists. Get those idiots in order then we may all get on together.

I am sometimes a cyclist, sometimes a car driver, sometimes a pedestrian. Idiocy a is an attribute of people, unrelated to their mode of travel.

In town, I would choose a bike every time, because it is the most ecological, economic, socially-responsible, healthiest, and fastest mode of travel. But all the car-versus-bike arguments have been done to death on a thousand web sites. Even on here, I recall.

Just because there is a cycle track doesn't mean cyclists have to use it. On that principle, all drivers would have to use a motorway and not take the back roads, just because someone built it for them. It's a fallacious and redundant argument.

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I see you do not mention insurance for bike rides. So tell me when someone is crippled through an accident cause by a cyclist who is going to pay for all the medical help they will need for the rest of their life?

There is a valid argument around public liability insurance but it doesn't just apply to bikes. What would you do if someone ran into you and knocked you over? What would you do if you tripped over someone's cat or dog (a dog ran under my bike wheels last week and I almost went over the handle bars)? What would you do if a man removing a spider's web from his balcony with a feather duster fell off and inserted the said duster into your shoulder blade causing it to exit below your fourth vertebra?

What would I do if you stepped off the pavement in front of my bike? People on mobile phones do it all the time.

That is why, in Holland, everyone has to have personal insurance so that they are covered in case they injure someone in such an eventuality.

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2011, 06:01:09 PM »
I think Cyclists should be taxed to pay for the construction and upkeep of cycle tracks.

They already are. In the same way that non-drivers pay for roads out of general taxation. Read my previous post on the subject.

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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2011, 06:09:01 PM »
Sorry - I am sure you are far more civilised in Brighton!!

Only to the extent that our local government is enlightened enough to recognize the necessity of encouraging cycling as a means of lessening pollution and congestion, and of improving the health of the population.

Jersey always lags by about twenty years in its social policies. Childrens' Rights anyone?

Many car drivers over here are as unenlightened as Fritz and CB. However, because we have a lot more people like me, who both drive and cycle, we don't lose our patience with cyclists and appreciate the fact that by choosing to cycle, they are leaving more road space for impatient, stressed-out car drivers to zoom through residential areas and selfishly destroy the living space of the majority of the inhabitants.

Please don't say this is the end of our friendship :) xx

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2011, 09:11:13 PM »
Bicycles are toys and have as much right to be on the main roads as roller skates.

Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2011, 08:44:54 AM »
This is one reason why i dislike cyclists who think they own the road. Rob Kent you have just proved to me that the kind of    cyclist you are talking about only thinks for him/her self and sod the car drives. Also bike track along St.Aubin's Bay cyclists going  flat out and not using their bell to warn people that they are coming. On that note i have to say that 99% of cyclists never use their bell and that is if they have one which they should by law, also lights at night 80% don't have any. You talk about pollution then think about how much longer a car engine that is giving out pollution and going nowhere burning twice the amount of fuel being stuck behind a cyclist over a given distance.
Let me just say this, i have seen a few very good cyclists that are doing everything that they should when on the road day and night. Just a shame 95% of cyclists are arrogant because in their thinking they believe they are saving the planet but in fact they are causing more fuel to be burnt.

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Re: Cyclists.
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2011, 06:37:59 PM »
Same could be said for the 95% of the car drivers on this forum, shame a few of them did not get off their fat backsides and ride a little themselves and then they might have a little bit more respect for other road users.