Child Abuse Public Enquire?

[Chevalier Blanc]

There must be an enquiry about the whole affair of what,when, how, and who is responsible for the different failures in the system.
Walker said an enquire would be held after all the trail cases are finished, so they must not go back on their word just to cover up what they do not want the public to know.
Name names etc etc. Get these perverts to face justice now!!!
I will say here "Thank you Senator Le Gresley for bringing a motion to the chamber and i hope that he gets it passed.

[newt]

Deputies F Le Gresley and Bob Hill need our support for Inquiry to go ahead and truth to be finally exposed
e mail f.legresley@gov.je and/or b.hill@gov.je   to show your support please

There is a facebook group 'States of Jersey go back on Haut de la Garenne promise' Please feel free to join group to add more support for this good cause.

Many people were relying on the promised Inquiry so that the truth may be finally known. Please don't let them down. They were let down as children the least we can do is back them now.

[ole razzy]

There is a interesting article by Helier Clement in tonights paper (Comment section page 14) in which he makes some good points about the need for a full committee of enquiry to be established. It being printed in the JEP he could not of course pass up the opportunity to make reference to those that seemingly don't care about Jersey and its international reputation - by which I took it he was referring to local blog owners et al - and how a full and open enquiry would at least lay to rest their 'malign campaigns' for years to come. But apart from that it was a good read.


http://www.thisisjersey.com/2011/02/07/whatever-happened-to-the-notion-of-decisions-being-binding-on-political-heirs/

[newt]

Nice one Helier! Someone else with some sense of decency.

[rogueelement]

Just what we need! Another enquiry !! Fantastic !!!
Why not set up a coconut shy in the Royal Square to sponsor it?
Then again , perhaps in 500 years , someone might think that murder has been committed in the Square and that would just be silly.

[rogueelement]

Who de feck is Helier?

[newt]

Helier Clement writes for the JEP. Another Inquiry? This inquiry was promised to the abused. PROMISED mind. Really don't think it appropriate to make fun of such a subject. OK some of the public are obviously sick of hearing about it. Well I'm sure the abused are sick of living with it.

Many people who went through our wonderful caring system were relying on this inquiry to finally have the truth be known. Perhaps they could then,finally, have put it behind them.

Abuse is not like a dose of flu, you don't get over it in three weeks. It stays with you forever. You don't 'get over it' you learn to cope and live with it.

[newt]

Spartacus! You make me so cross. Not talking about dead bodies or coconut shells. Do you actually have any idea of the kind of consistant abuse that went on at that home? I think not!
Just how do you think comments like that feel to the abused. Ignorant people like you make me sick!
Now I remember why I didn't bother with this forum for so long.
Ever heard of the word sensitivity???

[rico sorda]

I will check out that facebook site, cheers for that. Also, I have just done a posting here

http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2011/02/committee-of-enquiry.html

rs

[newt]

Read your blog Rico,
nice one, sensitive and strong. I know you were there with some of the victims in January. You, too, felt the emotion.
I don't understand how the States are allowed to get away with this.
please will you e mail Bob Hill and F Le Gresley for support.

[rico sorda]

Newt

Im always emailing Deputy Hill he has been very supportive. I will drop Francis aline also. You are so correct about the raw emotion. The problem with so many states members is that they shut themselves  away from the victims point of view. By doing this they make it easier for themselves to vote away important propositions even if the evidence is saying something different. There are some of us who are working very hard to make sure the Truth keeps getting out.

Thanks for reading the Blog

No Giving up

rs

[rogueelement]

Spartacus! You make me so cross. Not talking about dead bodies or coconut shells. Do you actually have any idea of the kind of consistant abuse that went on at that home? I think not!
Just how do you think comments like that feel to the abused. Ignorant people like you make me sick!
Now I remember why I didn't bother with this forum for so long.
Ever heard of the word sensitivity???

look, I grew up at that time , a clip accross the ear from a teacher was a form of endearment, a clip from a copper with his torch or truncheon ,well , that certainly taught us to behave. Best of all , if you went home and whined about it , you got twice as much from your parents.
Certainly sexual abuse went on. I think the miscreants have been punished .Please don,t tell me you speak for the abused (god bless em) seems to me you are on any particular trip which offends the government.I dont mind offending the government, after all, they are a shower , but this band wagon really p..... me off .
Sensitivity?? i,m full of it !

[boatyboy]

Any enquiry would have to have a robust and well written remit. Not something the States are usually  competent  ( or conversely  very competent at failing, so avoiding the truth ) at getting right. That said, the States by the lack lustre way , and none transparent actions that are keeping this story jogging on  unabated to the detriment of Jerseys international reputation.

It was probably known by Frank Walker, that closure was needed, and promised a  full enquiry at a later date a visionary decision.

Let it be known to politicians, that  as an election is now several months  not years away,  the spotlight is now on your performance like never before. Like never before also, people ( voters ) are reading the internet and getting a not so rosy picture of your work, supported by reports and  fact that are in the public domain.

Jersey does have some good politicians in the Assembly.  Lets see which members want to see this  issue concluded by a proper and  clean enquiry, or those that  bow and scrape to the CoM totally forgetting that it is the public who decide if they will stay or go not the CoM.

Harpers letter

JEP

ANYONE who has watched the truth about the historic abuse inquiry trickling out over the past 12 months will know only too well why the Jersey government have reneged on their promise to hold the Committee of Inquiry.

Such a committee would have seen the trickle of truth turn into a torrent and the full extent of the brutalities inflicted on the victims and the lengths gone to in attempts to cover it up would have been exposed for the world to see. Forget all claims of consideration for those victims. There has been nothing but contempt for those who suffered, from the majority of the Jersey establishment.

Forget also any worries about costs. Well over half of the £7.5 million spent on the investigation was spent after I retired as deputy chief of the States police in August 2008, much of it, seemingly, on increasingly desperate attempts to prevent the truth from coming out and curtailing the hopes of justice for the victims.

The statement of the Jersey Care Leavers Association shows once again that they are the last people the government considered when releasing their statement. Their dignity and courage stand in marked contrast with the so-called government of the elected and non-elected variety.

Article posted on 3rd February, 2011 - 3.00pm


www.thisisjersey.com/2011/02/03/why-was-there-only-a-trickle-of-truth-on-abuse-inquiry/#ixzz1DNylbgJd

The Times, for an excellent piece of objective journalism.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6241652.ece

BB

[rico sorda]

 I grew up at that time , a clip accross the ear from a teacher was a form of endearment, a clip from a copper with his torch or truncheon ,well , that certainly taught us to behave

And a good old raping was one to tell your mates?

 Sparty,  it might be worth showing Chris some respect. He has taken the time to purchase this site and get it back up and running.  Calling someone a muppet  is not what this site needs.

I think the miscreants have been punished .Please don,t tell me you speak for the abused (god bless em) seems to me you are just another on any particular trip which offends the government.I dont mind offending the government, after all, they are a shower , but this band wagon really p..... me off .
Sensitivity?? i,m full of it !

( god bless em? )

Sparty, the attitude you have just displayed. Can you imagine what would happen if someone who cared for children had those same views.

rs

[ole razzy]

You can hear Le Marquand's defence of the COM's position on http://thejerseyway.blogspot.com/2011/02/no-body-remains.html

He kinda gets away with it by making some lightweight subjective analysis but I dont think the BBC got anywhere near the mark this time round. The bit I found most jarring was his justification for not pressing on with a full enquiry on the grounds it would be an expensive pet project. Purely in the interests of balance she should've at least at that point mentioned the Wiltshire report should she not?

Whether we like ot or not this subject is still making the news. Its easy to say with the benefit of hindsight but the enquiry dates should have been agreed, IMO, by all sides right from the outset. That would have spared us numerous questionable reports and millions of pounds in spin and counter arguments. And in that way maybe the drug money now being earmarked could have been instead used to speed up the introduction of the sex offenders registar, off island rehahilitation for young offenders and a better education program in schools. Although none of these are directly linked to the cause of the problem it is surely the responsibility of a good government to see where the proirities lie.