BBC Radio Jersey changes

[ole razzy]

I was going to start a new thread but having started culling old ones it seemed to go gainst the grain so I'd thought I'd tack this onto BBC Radio Jersey's.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00dlq3x/Roger_Bara_17_02_2011

Go to about 1 hour 5 minutes into Roger Bara's show and listen to him interview two residents of St. Brelade who disagree over the suitable location for a mens refuge on St. Aubin's High street.

Now there's nibyism with a small n and I guess there are times when we can all fall into that trap on rare occasions when living in such a small island but then there's NIMBYISM. I was quite taken aback by this woman attitude. I think its awful.

[Dundee]

Is it the right place?

Although it is nimbyism I would question putting people with difficulties in a place where the main occupation is to eat drink and be merry, surely a country side base would be a more fitting place.

The ladies refuge does experience problems mainly due to the mix of people with difficulties.

[en830]

Ole Razzy

I was at the meeting last Thursday, and fully support what Colin Taylor is trying to do. To dispel a few myths, the shelter will not be able to accommodate any one with a dependency due to the level of care and support assistant it will be allowed to utilise. Also under the terms imposed on it by housing, and I believe Reg of Uns, use of the shelter will be restricted to people with 5 years or more residency.

At the meeting their was genuine concern about its location being directly opposite two ale houses and a number of restaurants. This was more of a concern for the well-being of the people using the shelter and their anonymity. It can be quite intimidating running the gauntlet of the patrons stood outside the pubs when they are on full volume. Their was also concern about the ambient noise coming from the air-con and extractor systems of the various restaurants behind the shelter and also the deliveries to Checkers impacting on the residents of the shelter.

Apart from the list above, many of those who voiced their concerns actually supported Colin and his efforts. Some even offered to help him find somewhere more suitable within St Aubin and or the Parish. However in a heated exchange I challenged one person who claimed that the Residents Association were supportive of the siting of the shelter in St Aubin, I pointed out that it was not what their Chairman had stated on the radio that morning, she had quite categorically said that the shelter should be in St Helier close to support groups and medical support.

She challenged me on this later on (I will say publicly that I can not stand her !!!!) I asked her that, "based on her Radio comment, that the shelter would be better sited in St Helier, if she intended partitioning for Maison les Landes, Maison St Brelade, Silver Springs, Communicare and various foster children to be moved into town under the same reasoning" ? She said I was being ridiculous.  She claimed that experts had advised her that its best location would be in St Helier, however I had done some homework and the experts I had spoken to unanimously called for shelters to be placed in the Parishes. She wouldn't accept this.

This woman has a political agenda and I expect to see her standing for Deputy later this year. It will be a travesty if she gets in. She has no interest in the island and its future, it will be just another meal ticket and something she can bring up at Candle Lit Dinners. I am that against her, if Pol Pot was to stand in opposition to her and advocate returning to year zero and the genocide of all left handed people, I would actually canvas for him !!!

[Calimachon]

I feel that there is far more to this shelter proposal than meets the eye.     Get a few investigative journalists to dig deeper and one may eventually find out the real reason for the request to put a shelter there. 

The title shelter in itself is an emotive one, shame they chose to call it that.  I have nothing against putting a shelter there if it is to assist people with a genuine need if they have come up against hard times.

[Chevalier Blanc]

Well part of her argument is blown out of the water as far as i am concerned. The noise issue with deliveries etc disturbing the people in the shelter, so it will only affect the shelter and not the village residents then?
I believe it is a question of "Not in my back garden thank you".
Do you honestly think that she will run for the States? Certainly an establishment person thought she was going to choke with the plum in her throat.

[Bentos]

For your information Maison des Landes is a hotel for the disabled and it is owned by a charitable trust

It also has it's own resident nurse and for the geographically challenged, it is in St Ouen

[en830]

For your information Maison des Landes is a hotel for the disabled and it is owned by a charitable trust

It also has it's own resident nurse and for the geographically challenged, it is in St Ouen

Your point is

[Bentos]

the inference of your early post is that MdeL requires town based medical back up and it is grouped by you with residential care businesses based in St Brelade

[imacrappaud]

Just been listening to that broadcast courtesy of razzys link and I am surprised by the womans comments, I cant be bothered going back to find out her name as i keep ending up in the wrong place so will refer to her as the woman.

She claims to have been phoned by 4 ex alcoholics and 2 of those said that St Aubins would be a tempting place for them, I assume she meant to get back on board the booze train but surely all 4 of them would admit that st helier is more tempting when you consider it is a bit of a dump so hardly inspires you to keep out of a pub and perhaps go for a walk on the beach, maybe do some fishing or whatever. Its not as though there are hundreds of pubs in St Aubins. But in responding with her argument she failed to mention that drunks are not going to be allowed in anyway so if that does become the case they will have to go to a shelter in town thus getting them out of her backyard anyway.

The excuse that the residents will get abuse by people outside the pub is a little bit flawed in my opinion as the ones stood outside are there to have their cigs and probably cant be bothered with people going into the refuge as they are busy chuffing away. Unless we are talking about a load of Nimbys getting drunk and hurling abuse which I doubt very much is likely to happen, maybe she has less confidence in her residents as I do and I dont live there.

I can imagine she sees herself in the future as some sort of sheriff similar to the one in first blood whereby she thinks she has to pick them up and take them across the parish line with a warning not to set foot in her parish again.

Nimby sums her up and nothing she has said in that interview shows her not to be.

[Dundee]

This woman has a political agenda and I expect to see her standing for Deputy later this year. It will be a travesty if she gets in. She has no interest in the island and its future, it will be just another meal ticket and something she can bring up at Candle Lit Dinners. I am that against her, if Pol Pot was to stand in opposition to her and advocate returning to year zero and the genocide of all left handed people, I would actually canvas for him !!!

Just for the record the lady has spent a considerable amount of time and effort on the community in St Aubin in recent years and fair play if she stands. Just because she has some issues on having a refuge next to some pubs hardly justifies your rant.

[en830]

Just for the record the lady has spent a considerable amount of time and effort on the community in St Aubin in recent years and fair play if she stands. Just because she has some issues on having a refuge next to some pubs hardly justifies your rant.

Don't make me laugh, time and effort and upset many of the people who have also spent time and effort. She likes to be heard, but is never present when real work has to be done. I have witnessed this several times. She will be a total waste of space if she gets elected.

[en830]

the inference of your early post is that MdeL requires town based medical back up and it is grouped by you with residential care businesses based in St Brelade

That is not what "I" said at all, my point was based on the comments made by this woman on the radio, she inferred that the shelter should be in town because it would be close to available social care facilities. I remarked that if this is the case and based on her comments, then establishments such as Maison des Landes, Maison St Brelade, Communicare and others should also be relocated to town. I was pointing out the error of her comment.

I'm also sorry that I dare include a facility outside of St Brelade in my argument, however the last time I checked the maps St Ouen was on the North West coast and therefore outside of town, but being geographically challenged I may be wrong.

Maison les Landes may have a resident nurse, but I am sure at times it has to call on the expertise of certain town based medical advisors and experts. As the saying goes, One nurse does not a hospital make.