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Offline Dylan

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Off to the Tower then
« on: November 18, 2010, 03:14:52 PM »
Not a strange coincidence that The Blessed has been given the brush and is to be dragged off to the Tower for a cooling off period.
This is, of course just a warning shot being blown across the bows of SS Blessed, 10 weeks? not quite 3 months, £14k fine? and what happens if he won't pay it?

edit - mod5

The Standing orders state that you are disqualified from standing for election if you are banged up for three months.

(http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/documents/reports/1763-45186.htm)

It therefore follows that if there is any more p*ssing about by The Blessed that SOJCOM will ensure that he gains the permanence of exclusion which he seeks so badly.
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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 03:30:28 PM »
White lines hombre! My man in court tells me he's out on bail and out of jail and that's the way it goes!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFQzSJCs_ss&feature=related

Offline boatyboy

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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 10:00:44 PM »

Stuart Syvret may not always go about his work in the most diplomatic and team building manner. This is a problem he has, but who wants to throw the first stone.

His honesty, intellect and integrity are beyond reproach. Now must be added courage, stamina and detailed investigative legal understanding.

The problem that the judiciary of Jersey has introduced in his trial, is quite perverse. It must be odd to hear a magistrate asking the prosecution lawyer, a Mr Stephen Baker for his advice time and time again.

This however, is not the full story

Another trial being enacted in the Royal court at this time, is of the couple accused of battering and physically abusing children and no doubt is to be conducted with integrity by the judge, and to use a metaphor , he is wearing a blindfold and only interested in the truth, supported by the facts.

Obviously to support the defence case they are allowed to call witnesses.

The difference being, the couple are allowed to call defence witnesses. Stuart Syvret was not allowed to call expert witnesses to support his defence. Mr Baker would have had every opportunity to cross-exam to his heart’s content.

Will the Jersey media ask the question, why in one case but not the other ? if Jerseys’ media do not, then as a middle class reasonable type of person, my personal view will be that Stuart Syvret maybe had to much information of good value. Giving the prosecution lawyer to much and to tough a piece to chew on.

A bigger problem for the magistrate should the witnesses be effective and evidenced.

Why am I writing a “ problem for the magistrate “ Is she not also wearing a blindfold ?

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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 10:49:56 PM »
If the witness was Gil Blackwood. edit mod5. He would have added to the entertainment value.

I and many others would dispute the qualities you state in respect of SSS. Time wasting good for nothing would be more apt description.
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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 11:06:32 PM »
Usual shot in the sky Dundee.

You no doubt can back up your claim. edit mod5.

Why do you say " I and many others ", just speak for yourself, you are fully entitled to your opinion. No doubt you went to court sat and listened at the Syvret so called trial. If you had bothered........................................................ then you would understand a great deal more, and not made the statement you have. Do you get all your information from the JEP ? This would explain your outlook.
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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 10:18:45 AM »
If Stewart  got hold of a gun i tink (edit mod5)........ would be his frirst target who else mmm dont know?
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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 11:04:21 AM »
Will a written transcript be available at any time?

Matters that seemed to be perverse:

1) The Failure of the Public Interest Argument

While Nurse M should not have been accused without proof of being a "mass murderer", there was certainly enough of a case that they should not have been in nursing - anyone who the police had found evidence of theft of hospital drugs, date rape drugs, cannabis, affairs with patients, nuckle duster, and an allegation of GBH, should not have been loose in any hospital or care home. Unfortunately the email / document does not have any follow up, so we don't know whether they stayed in nursing, although they were licensed up to this year. No one seems to have said what action was in fact taken, if any, on this matter - all we know is that they left the General Hospital, and worked in a private care home.

If the list had applied to someone who was not a nurse, but a nursery worker with young children in the States sector, the police vetting report would have put them on a high risk category for future work in the private sector. There seems to have been no indication whatsoever that the authorities took any action over Nurse M being employed elsewhere in Jersey in care homes.

That is not to say that Nurse M couldn't have other kinds of employment, but the record over theft of drugs, to say the least, suggests he shouldn't have been employed anywhere where drugs were available, in the same way that a sex-offender with pictures on their pc wouldn't be allowed to work with young children.

It seems perverse therefore that the public interest argument was totally disallowed, when there was an argument - as the expert witness in th email/report stated - for viewing Nurse M as unsafe in a nursing environment.

2. The Fine / Costs

While the case for giving out names not just of Nurse M, but of others involved in the investigation was always likely to get a sentence (if nothing else because of the risk to named individuals from Nurse M), the level of fine seems to completely ignore Stuart's circumstances.

He has no assets, probably borrows a pc to access the internet (he was certainly doing this around the time of his election), is on income support, out of work, and to  sentence him to prison and at the same time impose a huge fine and heavy costs is again perverse. It's like those consequtive sentences that add up to 500 years - it's done purely as an example to others, and it will be most unlikely if he can pay it at all.

3. Bail

When Wesley Snipes was sentenced, despite opposition, he was immediately granted bail pending appeal. This is not unusual - I cite Mr Snipes because it is recent news. If bail was to be granted, why did the application pending appeal have to be made the following day, after a night in prison? It makes no judicial sense, but it makes a lot of sense if it can be seen as giving Stuart a taster of what is to come, to perhaps soften him up, so that he will be more amenable to community service.

4.  Contempt of Court

I understand that contempt can be flagged up at any time, but since this was for missed court appearances (when in the UK), any charges to be brought for contempt of court must have been in the Magistrate's mind for some time - it was not the on-the-spot contempt for misbehaving in court, for example - and bringing them out suddenly with a 10 week jail sentence like a rabbit out of a hat even surprised the journalists who spoke of it as a surprise twist. Even if the Magistrate doesn't like Mr Syvret, which clearly she doesn't, this seems more an act of picque, especially as she branded him "arrogant", and more like thinking "let's take him down a peg or two".

There seems to be too much personality in the decision, whereas a cooler approach would have been to bring the charges at a much earlier point in the proceedings, or indeed when he missed the original court appearances, so that they would have been additional charges in this trial.

In conclusion...

It may seem strange to defend Stuart, because I do think he should not have named the Nurse or any other names in the police email / report, but it appears to me that there might be too much of a clash of personalities informing the Court's decision.

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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 11:22:27 AM »
Well if he was Bailed then he wasn't Banged up! ;D
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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 01:10:28 PM »
Indeed Tony, your conclusion is probably quite correct. The body language and contemptuous looks given by Magistrate Shaw actually said it all, not to mention her voice raising 'a la schoolteacher', whilst Stuart was calm, cool and collected throughout proceedings.

Personality clash indeed.

If there was contempt in Court it was the Magistrate's contempt for Stuart! Probably because he showed himself to be very researched and eloquent, and head and shoulders above the prosecution and Magistrate. That must be very galling! ;)
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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2010, 02:00:49 PM »
Excellent post Tonytheprof.

You mentioned,

Evidence of theft of hospital drugs, date rape drugs, cannabis, affairs with patients, knuckle duster, and an allegation of GBH

It is my understanding that six guns with ammunition were also in Nurse M,s  possession.

BB.
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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2010, 02:37:11 PM »
An interesting footnote - from Stuart's blog comments, where he says:

A brief factual point, it wasn't Bridget Shaw who granted bail; on the contrary - she refused bail.

It was the higher court I appeared before today - which was being presided over by an English judge - a gentleman unknown to me, so I don't recollect his name at the moment.


That suggests even more strongly that the Magistrate may have been allowing her personal feelings to override her professional objectivity.

The JEP didn't (as far as I see) give any terms regarding the repayment (how much by when.. etc). Does anyone know that?

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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2010, 03:30:24 PM »
If I heard correctly it was £50 per month.

Bearing in mind Stuart has to survive on benefit which is minimal, this is quite a large chunk of money.

Again I think the judge yesterday questioned as to whether or not one of the contempt charges was actually a contempt.

BB - add to that frightening list in Nurse M's possession insulin and potassium chloride, which if injected together are deadly and virtually impossible to detect in the body!!

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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2010, 04:06:08 PM »

Stuart does not have to survive on benefits he can get a job like the rest of us

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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2010, 04:19:19 PM »
Yes someone else has also made that comment. But given:

1) his need to take time off any job for Court appearances - his appeal coming up soon.
2) the high unemployment level in Jersey
3) his skill set - cabinet maker
4) his political profile

it is not likely that he will find it easy to get anything - after all, we are in a recession, and there are many people hunting for work, it is not as though jobs were plentiful and workers few!

It is not perhaps surprising that one of the BBC digital channels was repeating "Boys from the Blackstuff" with Yosser's despairing refrain "Gissa Job".

And it is not as if he can go off Island to look for work.

So yes, he can get a job like the rest of us, but unlike the rest of us, there's a lot of baggage there which would probably make quite a few employers turn him down.

Remember Les Miserables, where Jean Valjean is released from prison, but is required to carry a yellow passport that marks him as a convict, despite having already paid his debt to society by serving his time in jail. He is rejected by innkeepers, who do not want to take in a convict.

I imagine that attitude would be quite widespread if Stuart applied for a job.


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Re: Off to the Tower then
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2010, 04:27:23 PM »

his problems are all of his own creating and I as a tax payer fail to see why I should have to bear the cost of his continual showboating