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Offline boatyboy

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Voting day is here, are you happy with Jersey ?
« on: June 15, 2010, 10:14:50 AM »
My idea of a better Jersey  ?  How do the candidates opinions and past actions support my personal view. Some benchmark ideas of how Jersey should be Governed.

The wonderful island of Jersey, well governed and structured in such a way that it provides, support and is sympathetic to all business whatever size, with the realisation that business is the driver for employment, diversification and financial success, being aware that the world is an ever changing place. Jersey as a community must be encouraged to meet these changes.

A Government who's purpose is not to interfere, but to help. A Government that works hand in hand and for the people. Is transparent, accountable, approachable compassionate and flexible and accepts that its job is to administer the structure, not compete in it.

A Government that accepts fully that it spends our money, and makes sure that we are told how that is done to the penny.

So.

A personal view of the political performance of the candidates that made an impression. In order to keep this from becoming a book, only those I feel have a chance are mentioned.
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Francis Le Gresley is a caring man. He told us of all the committees he had worked on. I have no doubt he is genuine and completely out of his depth in the sometimes dirty and rough business of politics. He tells us he works in a gentle reasoned way, behind the scenes. This is classic Ben Fox (and others) tactics. Non confrontational big challenges, don't shout to loud don't lead at all, lacks passion. It was confirmed for me when a question about should 0/10 be scrapped would the income going out of the island now staying in the island ( hence we have no black hole ) cancel out GST, which was brought in to cover the losses out of the island

He said that it was not actually proved to be a problem. The EU were just having a review. Completely wrong said Gerard Boudains when his turn to speak produced evidence which he read out showing that 0/10 is definitely non compliant.

Nick Le Cornu asked the question why if you have seen fifteen years of problems for people walking through the door at CAB. Why not stand sooner to help the vulnerable.

Mr Le Gresley,a man who is more comfortable and valuable staying with the day job,
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Nick Le Cornu is a passionate man. He is aware of far more than he was able to offer in the time check question and answer hustings. He has also improved as a speaker, commanding the full attention of the room.

Clearly his politics are left wing, an up hill battle for him in conservative Jersey. but deserves respect.
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Deputy Geoff Southern.

A clever man well researched and a good speaker in plain English. When asked about the teachers strike and whether he supported it ? again confirmed staunch union support and not only the teachers should strike but other front line workers in States employment. What about the private sector lower and middle classes Geoff, thought I ? They never get a mention from you and are paying for all this public sector. It was mentioned by another candidate that if all those in the private sector had not got pay rises it was their own fault for not being in a union.

I like Geoff Southern again a passionate man who stands up and will scrap all day in the big house. He then fell foul of my personal views stating that the majority of the public were supporting the teachers and he also forgot to mention a significant amount of perceived well paid teachers did not fill in the ballot papers in Jersey. He made no sense regarding standing for an island mandate. As far as I was aware deputies constables and senators votes are equal. Although as said before a passionate man and a committed states member. It is then suprising that the Union Unite paid for his JEP adverts and by extension probably his posters and he did not give up his seat but kept it in case he was not voted a Senator.

With the best will in the world Geoff Southern lives in the union world where most get exceedingly well paid, have excellent final salary pensions, but no one concerns themselves as to where the money comes from.
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Gerard Baudains.

Not a particularly good speaker but not doubt a well researched heavy weight. If he where a boxer he would be one of the 18 stone heavy punchers. Took out WEB and Frank Walkers reputations in the debate over Harcourt and the Waterfront. The then CM Frank Walker told our Government that preferred developer Harcourt had due diligence checks carried out by WEB, and Harcourt were whiter than white, or words to that affect. This was the biggest land deal in the history of Jersey at a reported,  three hundred and seven million pounds.

Mr Baudain at the time stood up and proved beyond doubt that they were actually being sued in America and Ireland, the house was being misled, and he was not afraid to speak out.

There was a problem with land he owned or developed in his parish, which upset the parishioners and lost him the last election. I do not have all the details so will not venture without the facts. It seems clear that if St. Clement's have forgiven him and the rest of the island want him, he is a strong contender. He will help to cure the looming deficit Jerseys mismanagement has created. He also got a round of applause for telling the large audience that not only was the incinerator dated and the wrong technology but it cost £40 million too much. An incinerator costing half as much and of different modern design should have been installed.

He understands where Jersey is now, at this time and juncture, and the financial implications. Is not a yes man obviously, and is, to my mind in the top two.
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Stuart Syvret the best known ex- politician and history has shown to be proved right on almost all issues. He was sacked from being a minister for not supporting his staff at social services, proved to be right yet again, some were incompetent and unacceptable and are still employed as proved by the latest two reports well after his Ministry ended.

A heavy weight politician that people love or hate. His views are underlined by own goals by the states employment board, proved by the suspension of Mr Day and Chief of Police Graham Power.

People are generally not stupid although some politicians think we all are, and many are asking where is the proof for the suspensions? and why is it taking so long.

Syvret publishes reports that the public have paid handsomely for but were never supposed to view, as used to happen before the Internet.

Labelled as not a team player ( who's team ? ), and also everything but a wealthy man, in which case is interesting, should you have a look at the wealth the members sitting on the council of ministers. Allied to their view of spending the taxpayers money.

Clearly a man who is afraid of little except his conscience, well researched, a good speaker but has a very big problem with the island being corrupt ( also mentioned by other candidates last night ),

The civil service is made up of 98% good people he says, its just a small percentage at the top who are incompetent , over paid and non accountable. The damming reports on health services without any person being held responsible again support his views.

It was the same with the Euro fiasco, Heritage overdraft being bailed out by the public taxes cost £880,000 and cuts to big wage packets no where on the horizon.

Instead cut front line services including kids milk and the hydrotherapy pool at the hospital with more to come including tax rises.

Don't vote for me if you like the way Jersey is being Governed at this time says Stuart Syvret.

I don't like the way Jersey is heading, and its path towards less transparency which clearly means less accountability.

This man will get my vote.

Boatyboy.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2010, 05:20:28 PM by boatyboy »

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Sucinctly put Batty Buoy ,Thus confirming everything I have thought about you and criticised you for in the past year or two.
Syvret accolytes are ten a penny , unfortunately for him and you , they do not have 10 votes .
Prepare to meet your doom ,.
Democracy is heading this way in 18 months time , hopefully by then the Constables will have a conscious and Rose off.

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Sucinctly put Batty Buoy ,Thus confirming everything I have thought about you and criticised you for in the past year or two.
Syvret accolytes are ten a penny , unfortunately for him and you , they do not have 10 votes .
Prepare to meet your doom ,.
Democracy is heading this way in 18 months time , hopefully by then the Constables will have a conscious and Rose off.

A conscious what?
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Am I happy with Jersey?  Too right!  1. Full employment for me and mine; 2.  My kids in excellent schools which are paid for out of my taxes; 3. Low taxes compared to just about anywhere else I've worked; 4. Island has no debt; 5.  Island has £600+ million in  the bank; 6.  Tax surplus in 2009 even in the worst downturn anyone can rmember; 7.  Beautiful environment.  I could go on but why bother?  If you really only see cover-up and corruption, doom & gloom then little I say will make you change your opinion.

I  will vote, I always do, people died so that I can.  I won't vote for the SS and I hope the electorate won't either - he has taken us for fools.  Still, he's probably not the S Syvret being sued in the Petty Debts Court tomorrow by Jersey Telecom so that's one less thing for him  to worry over on election day.  Having read Bob Le Sueur's (that's the Hero of the Occupation, inspirational teacher and all round good egg Bob Le Sueur) letter in the JEP on Saturday describing Stuart as possibly Jersey's biggest humbug I really can't add to it!  May have to be Francis Le Gresley on the "least/worst" basis.

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I hate Jersey, its an ugly little island. I despise the scenery, I do wish we had more buildings to look at, bigger the better and I want fourteen storeys on the waterfront. I dislike going out on the Kayak and revelling in the ugliness and lack of wildlife that surrounds us, believe me a seagull that is not in your bins is just not worth taking a photo of.

I love a government that looks after itself and its members own interests, I love the fact that if I had become a multi project development company I could have contributed to making the natural scenery better hidden.  I am so so happy that we have GST because I can't wait for it to go higher so that I have a valid reason to eat more baked beans on toast or scrambled eggs if I am feeling flush. I am so happy that my government is willing to bend over and take it up the ...., so that they can justify keeping us tied to one industry. I love that the poor get taxed when we have so many high earners paying a small amount compared with their take home pay.


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Who are these, "Poor", you speak of?
I,ve never seen anyone in Jersey who could be classed as poor compared to folk in other countries who experience real poverty.

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I Have just received a phone call, the person has warned me that in the JEP it says that the official staff at polling stations will require  photographic identification as evidence, before you are allowed to vote. They are Joking right.

I have never heard of this before ! If so advertised the night before the election, whats going on ?

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For the last 2 elections the public were told that they need ID either passport or driving licence. They do not always ask to see proof because they know most people in their Parish.
As for me SS gets my vote and i really hope he tops the polls by a long way. Why do i want him back in the States? Everything that is starting to get cleaned up is because of SS and telling the truth and showing the Island just how rotten and corrupt the  establishment really are.
Take Le Main and this latest case with him, this would never have come to light but the new boys in their new positions are realizing that they cannot carry on in the same old way for fear of any cover ups coming out in SS blog or anybody else. They can no longer hide damming evidence against a States Member once it is out in the open. Like i say this is mainly down to SS. Get him back in to send a clear message to the establishment that their days of looking after the rich and themselves is coming to an end.

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I thought that the Terry Le Main issue was brought out in a court case and was cited by the Crown Advocate (in the books of the left, an establishment lackey)?

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I've been in Jersey for over 33 years. As an "outsider" I have witnessed the most crass bigotry ever by "locals". Even though my Grandmother lived here up until the occupation ( she lost everything which was taken from her house - by the locals, after she left).
Since then and following the inception of Reg Jeune's "world class finance centre" which now is teetering on the edge of an abyss of economic meltdown, we are actually further behind than where we were 30 odd years ago.

There have been staggering amounts of money made by the Government in the past which have been recklessly used to generate a "supersphere" level of civil service employment, an obnoxious amount of expenditure on things which should have been left in the private sector and the setting up of a "rainy day" fund which notably has been secretly tapped by the civil servants whom are responsible, but not accountable, for their actions.

I think it has been economically pissing with rain for the last four years and what do we have? GST.

Jersey was a phoenix, rising from the ashes of insurgent occupying forces, which stabilised itself out of necessity. This stabilisation made it an attractive place to visit and do business in the 70's and 80's. New generations of ministerial government came and went, each and every member wishing to leave their own personal mark on society, whether it be by changing a law, controlling what others do, or pushing through an expensive piece of statuary or a park, so that generations to come will say "For all his faults he was good". The problem being that each new generation of Politician is a half generation away from the intentions of his predecessors.

New generations of ministers bring with them the "towrope effect" of setting up new departments, adopting new laws to keep up with the Jones's (note David Cameron's recent statement about Britain being a "Nanny state" and the requirement for common sense, proposed relaxations of H&S laws etc), will this happen in Jersey? I do not think so, because when you give authority (as opposed to power) to an individual or a department, it is very difficult in a small village society to take it back.

How is it possible that a paid Civil servant working for (assumedly) a populus of less than 100,000 is not only paid more than Civil servants who are in charge of a country of 62,500,000, (source Worldbank) but also have absolutely no accountability for what they do?

Why is it that the New government, which we are told in the Rag is not working, consistently behaves in a manner setting out to preserve its own image and places this before the real interests of the society it represents? Is it because there is too close a link at the top end of the "house"?

Why has it taken six months to repair the recently repaired Victoria avenue when in France they can repair a kilometre of motorway in a day at half the cost?

We have to ask ourselves that in a recession, is it right that teachers should strike without declaring beforehand who will be available or not to man schools, Les Quennevais for example is closing on Thursday because they do not know who will be present and who will not. These people are already fairly paid, if they do not think so, they should find another vocation, I'm sure if they do, most will go back to teaching.

Why do we have so much violence on our streets? St Helier used to be a place which was fun to go out in during the weekend, now, things are different.

Fritz is right that there is no poverty here, there may well be selective indolence by people who have decided through whatever unfortunate reasons to drop out of society, but there is no poverty. No-one on this Island can claim that they cannot afford food and clothing, unless of course they have consistently run against society and cannot get gainful employment. If someone said to me "I'm a thug but I can't get a Job because of it",  I'd say so what?

A friend of mine once told me not to look at the people in a Police car driving past, I asked why not, he said it was because they would think I'm suspicious and will stop me. I told him that I will look at who and what I want in life, he said that if I was stopped it would go on my "record"! Wow I thought, we have a record now for living! How sad is that. This was eight years ago, before the Andrew Lewis Fiasco and before Mr Bean took control. Heaven help us all!

We have the Insanerator, which whilst it is being built on expensive landfill ( it could well have been sunk in the ground and used to fill the hole it covers), which was signed off by an outgoing minister of Transport whose only self declaration of interests was that he didn't drive because he preferred to be in the pub. He signed as an authority responsible for this expensive project when the economic warning signs were already indicating an alarming colour of red. What did the COM do? Nothing.

Why is it that we find ourselves in this position? Well, looking back it doesn't take a rocket scientist to clearly finger those responsible, I'm not going to enter the sad abuse debate as it has been fantastically managed by Rico, the problem is that Jersey has become too big for its boots from the top downward. The CM wants to be seen in ermine, the COM want to rule the estate as opposed to manage it, by employing outsiders at ludicrous salaries.

The real problem is how do we get this express train back on track and working properly? Certainly not by voting for anyone who has either a chip on their shoulder, who "bends" the rules to suit themselves, who has had a go in the past and produced nothing ( except perhaps a contribution to the negative state we are in now), or someone whose sole experience is fashioning a country garden.

Who does that leave?
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I Have just received a phone call, the person has warned me that in the JEP it says that the official staff at polling stations will require  photographic identification as evidence, before you are allowed to vote. They are Joking right.

I voted at lunchtime at Springfield as was not asked for any form of identification. I then dropped my friend at Georgetown Methodist Church 10 minutes later and she was not asked for any ID either. So I think it may have been a wind up but I did have my driving licence with me just in case as I dont think its strange to be asked. The more barriers to electoral fraud the better I reckon.

On a separate note can somebody tell me why rosette wearing supporters cram themselves around the entrance to polling stations? Is it because they think that smiling inanely at people as they go in to vote will have an affect on where they mark a cross?


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On a separate note can somebody tell me why rosette wearing supporters cram themselves around the entrance to polling stations? Is it because they think that smiling inanely at people as they go in to vote will have an affect on where they mark a cross?

We didn't have to cram ourselves into the entrance at Grouville as there wasn't many, only 3 candidates being represented :)

I wasn't asked for ID when I voted, but different polling stations may have different rules same as with pen or pencil.

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Oh Razzy - you have upset me now. As one of those inanely smiling, rosette wearing supporters, I was hoping my ample  charms would mesmerise the voting public to vote for my candidate.

Sadly, when Philip Bailhache and his missus arrived, it did not seem to have the desired effect!  :) :)
« Last Edit: June 16, 2010, 05:36:55 PM by GeeGee »

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Re: Voting day is here, are you happy with Jersey ?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2010, 06:36:19 PM »
Having just cast my vote in Trinity, where there appears to have been a fairly large turnout,I am happy to note no fingerprints necessary and my vote for F Le Gresley was duly registered , my wife did not tell me whom she voted for , but I suspect it was that nice car saleperson.
Nice old geezer outside the Parish Hall , wearing a purple rosette , I did ask who he was representing and was told "Baudain" I suggested he was mad , but my wife was dragging me away at this point, so not quite sure .anyway , I gave him a cheery wave as we departed.
PS, I have apparently been inadvertently rude to some geezer called the Prof, (of what?) , first name Tony...I do apologise , I will ensure that in the future ,,inadvertent will not come into it.
What sort of bloke goes on a web site and whines when he is told to feck off? It beggars belief that people can be so thin skinned .
Anyway , Tony, Darling ,, so sorry I upset you diddums , there there , hope you get over it .

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Re: Voting day is here, are you happy with Jersey ?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2010, 08:00:13 PM »
I hope SSS gets over it also  ;D