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Offline Darius

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To vote for Stuart or not?
« on: May 08, 2010, 11:05:11 AM »
The big question, I know but it has to be asked.

On the one hand it is easy to see what Senator Syvret is doing... when you have banged your head against the brick wall for long enough you have to take alternative tactics to foment change.

Peaceful non co-operation is an effective tactic which has been used against other colonial governments in both India and South Africa and I see Stuart's actions in the same vein as Gandhi or Mandela, however they both suffered imprisonment for their actions, a sacrifice which eventually led to change.

Yes a politician leader should put the good of the people ahead of any risk of personal loss, to be willing to make a stand on an issue and risk not being re-elected, which is why our politicians are fundamentally lacking as they rely on their States income as they would never get a job anywhere else.

But have the local media done enough to ruin his chances of getting elected?

Looking through the alternatives -

Patrick Ryan - Definitely the main contender, a good record of effective opposition and a true independent lost to Phil Rondel in St John, but that should not surprise anyone.

Rod Bryans - Bailhache's personal favourite, they spent almost the whole of Chris Lakeman's funeral and the walk back to town speaking, not that I know what they are speaking about but any friend of Bailhache is no friend of Jersey. This man must not be allowed to enter the States.

Graeme Jenkins, Gerard Baudains, Gino Risoli - no further thought required

So either Patrick Ryan or Stuart Syvret - any thoughts to sway my vote?

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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 02:18:25 PM »
I'll vote for any strong candidate who stands against Syvret. The man has wasted his mandate and treated the population of Jersey with contempt. I would even go against my principles and vote for Southern.
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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 04:09:56 PM »
I'll vote for any strong candidate who stands against Syvret. The man has wasted his mandate and treated the population of Jersey with contempt. I would even go against my principles and vote for Southern.


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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 05:08:05 PM »
No contest:

Stuart ALL THE WAY to the ballot box!

He has put his constituents before himself, no matter what some people may assume.

Dig deep into the facts and search out the truths.

Oh dear this may  make 'S' spartypants splutter but needs must! I will risk his wrath - thank goodness spittle cannot be passed through the monitor.



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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010, 06:25:32 PM »
has he declared that he is to stand for re election?

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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 07:16:00 AM »
I do not thin k he has declared that he will stand .......I sincerely hope he does , the public must be given an opportunity to laugh and jeer at him and make circular motions near their ears with their fingers as in ..He,s loooooopy!
I have said before, the farming or ex farming vote is what wins senatorial s and if what I hear is typical , they would rather vote for a turnip than Syvret and a cow pat before Southern.

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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 03:03:36 PM »
Gerard Baudins has also said he will be standing. I think he'll get quite a few votes; although he was a Deputy, there are quite a few people from other Parishes who liked him. He's not establishment - remember the Harcourt court case email fiasco when he was shouted down - and then Frank Walker had to apologise! - but is not obviously left-wing (like Geoff Southern); more one of the "gadfly" politicians who ask researched question to which they no the answer, but don't want to slip by "on the nod" or under the radar, and sniff out deviousness. (Phil Rondel is another - remember the guitar lessions expenses claim!)

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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 09:40:24 PM »
I put him and Rondel in the red neck category, there may be some merits to there actions but generally they talk utter tosh fuelled by come parishioner with a personal agenda or vendetta.
Interesting is the announcement of Francis Le Gresley entering the arena, who because of his past have some people behind him from all sides, it will be interesting to hear what his manifesto. But there is many a candidate that looks promising and does not deliver. It is surprising how little credence the voters put in the manifestos which are still very wishy washy and often discarded once they are elected.

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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2010, 08:46:40 AM »
No contest:

Stuart ALL THE WAY to the ballot box!

He has put his constituents before himself, no matter what some people may assume.

Dig deep into the facts and search out the truths.

Oh dear this may  make 'S' spartypants splutter but needs must! I will risk his wrath - thank goodness spittle cannot be passed through the monitor.


Please explain when the heck Syvret has put his consitiuents before himself.

The one question he has consistently refused to answer is " if he knew about all the child abuse allegations for years as he claims WHY DID HE DO NOTHING when he was in charge, includin minesterial time and time as President of Public Health HE DID NOTHING. All he is doing is trying to cover his own arse by blaming everyone else for his own failings.

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2010, 06:08:38 PM »
A Fair point Darren u tool and I wonder if we have heard the very same points from you on numerous occasions before under various other guises???
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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 06:39:56 PM »
A Fair point Darren u tool and I wonder if we have heard the very same points from you on numerous occasions before under various other guises???
would the Mods please pay closer attention?
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not only in just one persona methinks.

I have no idea what you are talking about. My user name is my real name, unlike you who can make unfounded allegations from behind a veil of anonymity. Please get your facts right in future and when you apologise please make sure you spell my name right this time
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 07:57:14 PM »
Ok , i apologise Dare no tool . I think you should ask your dad for an apology as well over "Daren"

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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010, 12:44:28 PM »
Well it looks like there are just a few more people who want to run... once more confusing the issue in the minds of the poor voters.

Francis Le Gresley (Citizen's Advice Bureau) - nice enough fellow and may be the leading contender now.
Phil Maguire - someone else I would vote for, for deputy (but I'm old school and think people should do their time as Deputy before trying for Senator)

More candidates running should mean Stuart is more likely to get elected, so may be I'll just go with the flow.


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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2010, 12:13:56 AM »
Governance in Jersey and its many failures - report on the public meeting at the Town Hall earlier this evening.

First off the turnout was good. I did a very sketchy calculation in my head and thought it 200. A warm evening always helps of course but this was far from the damp squib that many had hoped for, and indeed predicted on the farce blog. Demographically the attendees were of mixed ages but I’d say predominantly made up of Jersey working class people, the JDA, Unions, Time for Change & Greens – a sort of recession love child only conceived in a Lib Lab passion pact. A new political party perhaps? Imagine that? Its hard to see how that will ever happen given that some ego’s on the left are just as inflated as those on the right.

Syvret was dressed in a smart black suit and bright red ‘new labour’ tie, which was statesmanlike but stiff. Fashionistas are telling me that he needs to loosen up on the campaign trail if he wants to come across as genuine, but I think he should stick with the suit for now. His hair looked nice.

First the opening gambit; it was an unplanned skirmish and could have been Syvret’s ‘Gilian Duffy’ moment – a cliff hanger - clearly disgruntled an OAP asked him outright about taking a salary whilst living in the UK. His response was that only by leaving was he able to conduct in political investigative journalism on behalf of his constituents whilst free from legal prosecution. Lots of clapping.

Then straight out the blocks and Syvret’s waving the Sharp Report in the air and blatantly accusing the 4th estate of falling well short of their professional responsibilities. This was, IMHO, fully justified and he received great support I must say. The question has to be ‘has the balance of power shifted away from msm to online blogs and fora?’ I don’t see it yet .

Our very own Sheriff Forskitt sat alongside Syvret at the top table and gave a master class in honesty, openness in government and compassion.... plus the inevitable peak oil speech! He’s brilliant. Someone of his calibre is missed within our government.

Other memorable highlights for me were;

Another OAP, this time male, also went for Syvret’s jugular over his 6 months away, but was then was unfairly shouted down by the crowd. Later on a tiny man with balls of steel stood up and said he didn’t like the way the OAP had been treated (which was applauded) before launching, unannounced,  into a poem which basically said that Syvret was a legend and that 20,000 Jersey men where right behind him. It was rousing stuff! RAAHH!

Then I suppose the meat of it – a question alluding to the need to work together in political alliance – the subtext clearly being Syvret’s questionable ability to work with others – and his response was a suggested European style coalition party which in short could take on the establishment. He then ducked a question on its leadership.

Right at the end one old geezer asked ‘Why don’t you bring back Clothier to sort this mess out?’ The politically savvy could not help but point out he’d been dead less than a week. Mucho mirth.

Meanwhile over in ‘Blogger Gossip Land’ it was rumoured that an infamous former PJ poster had earlier in the day been on the BBC radio’s lunchtime ‘phone in’ claiming he was going to attend the meeting!  Smiles and clenched jaws were equally evident when later a ‘Psycho’ the movie ringtone went off briefly mid proceedings but there were no reported sightings at the time of my departure.

The question nobody asked that now probably needs to be is....‘If there is to be party politics what are the policies of this new alliance in relation to the separation of powers between the executive, judiciary and legislature?’
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Re: To vote for Stuart or not?
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2010, 08:35:02 PM »

It was going to be a good night.


Jerseys' vile troller who assumes more names than the sum of the people in the bar he has just left wanted a showdown. The haters of Stuart Syvret, who snipe and demonise the man on blogs like this one and BBC talkback, can look at him with slit eyes and ask any question about his politics or behaviour they want.

There is even a chance of a mob of hecklers. For my part, I wanted to see for myself, and listen. Was it going to be a wasted evening ? was it going to be a diatribe about child abuse ?will it be truthful or will Stuart Syvret just take a defensive position, and blame the attorney general and others for his woes ? These and I am sure many other questions were in my mind and in the minds of the hushed large audience. Late comers were now even standing at the back.

As I glance around the very full room, the people are well dressed and older. At the front are without doubt supporters, I spotted a few known greens but a there was a majority of older middle class types, with smart glasses and tidy appearance. I don't think the Council of Ministers would have liked that. A room full of lefties and tree huggers would be more the preference.

It was a hushed start. The microphone was not working, where was the member of staff from the town hall ? who knows, with little choice and between a 140 and 200 pairs of eyes Stuart Syvret stood up and addressed the hall.

It was clear he was a good speaker. He did not want sympathy, but he did want transparency, he loved Jersey but not the broken political system cored by a group of well connected muti-millionaires committee of ministers, and an unaccountable administration that a few years ago saw a £49 million overspend on capital projects with absolutely no one held to account. The toxic waterfront land which is a legacy for our children for decades, no one held to account several more modern day failings were brought to the rooms notice. All of them costing the hard working taxpayer dearly, no one held to account.

He waved a sheath of white printed paper, we were told this is the Sharp report. It was buried it was not available to the public. A mother of one of the children from Victoria College asked for a copy and was refused. I managed to get one after years, said the ex politician, and what reading it makes. The police investigation is there and the details. The investigation clearly shows a cover up protecting the college not the children. Some of the names mentioned are in high office today. In the public interest he offered it to the world, against all the ( Government ) rules on his blog.

Hold on a minute, why is the room so silent except for a small man with his associate on a very big stage doing his best to carry his voice to the outskirts of the room.

Not being heckled, where are the disrupters the people that want to rubbish the man and all he stands for. By talking about child abuse for a very short time, but spreading to a broad sweep of issues that affect us all, he seemed to me, up to speed, and to be making an awful lot of sense both on economic issues and by illustrating failures in Jerseys government.

Then shock of all shocks Stuart Syvret said that other intelligent and well-researched states member's proposals had failed even though the argument had clearly been won.

The feeling in the room was warm, but it was about to change I thought because its question time. Is the vile troll in the room, I hope he goes first. Are the anti Syvret bloggers here and going to crush him with well thought out questions.

Such a large audience, so many people and Stuart Syvret and his friend and intelligent associate Mark Forskitt would be smashed to pieces by a barrage of very heavy one or four liners questions. The large attendance can  hold twenty years of his information on his political life, should they do their homework, now is their golden opportunity to get answers.

Donald stood up and said he had felt deserted as he had voted for him. Why was he in London and would he give the wages back ? Syvret explained again ( he had done so earlier) and some boos rang out against Donald who had not tuned in earlier. It is starting, I thought. Then more people asked questions and they were answered clearly and to the point, waffle he does not do.

Nick Le Cornu made a interesting and intelligent short speech which then became two questions. I noticed an air of the left taking over so did Syvret who went on to say how middle class Jersey was in for a very expensive time by this Government because, and gave some serious examples, all which made very reasonable sense to me.

So where were the black leather jacket brigade, where were the hecklers, where were the questions from the nasty bloggers who continue to carry out personal attacks on Stuart Syvret. Where were the people that had an axe to grind with him.
Maybe they just did not have the backbone or intelligence or both to ask the man on the night.

He had the backbone to get up on stage, not knowing who would attend this island wide public meeting. Ex, hopeful or serving politicians, unhappy civil servants or just angry members of the public, some even might wish to throw rotten fruit.

All he got was a loud standing ovation.

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