Very Boring blog

[tonytheprof]

I see that the Very boring blogsis keeping a close eye on Planet Jersey - they say:

"Tony contrary to what you claim on PJ there was no secret of where Stu hangs out because its the same address that’s on his online enrolment form for senator"

Actually what I said was:

"What is also interesting is the way in which they've posted his current address, which as not a States member, and if not in the phone book, is therefore personal information of a kind that could be seen as close to breaking Data Protection, depending on how easy it is to get it otherwise."

If they'd read what I said carefully, they'd note - "depending on how easy it is to get it otherwise", which obviously covers the address being on his enrolment form.

Although it must be said that was the address needed for the form - they are now revealing that it is still his address now, which while a likely assumption, does constitute extra personal information!

I would also like to endorse Rob Kent's remark: "There is one other persistent misconception on the Farce site that I would like to correct: because someone supports some of the causes Stuart fought for (or shares his criticism of Jersey institutions), it does not make one a blind 'SS supporter'. "

This can be extended further - some of his criticisms - the arguments, and not the polemic - may well present a good case regardless of any criticism of him as an individual, over his behaviour with his former partner.

The "ad hominem" argument is a family of logical fallacies involved here. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. (1) an attack against the character of person making the claims or arguments (2) This attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or arguments the person in question is making.

The Very boring blogspresents the case as (1) these emails show what sort of person Stuart is like in his private life (2) therefore anyone who supports his criticism of Jersey's handling of historic child abuse is wrong. This seems to be an almost perfect example of this fallacy.

[Mr Susan]

Amen to that, Tony!
Is there such a thing as 'argumentum ad hominem ad nauseam ad infinitum'? If not, Gazza may have created a new logical fallacy. Someone should email Wittgenstein quick.

[rico sorda]

I had this forwarded to me and its all very strange. I post on here they reply over there I get sent this and reply over here lol

Im in Black


Anonymous said...
A typically ill thought out post from rs over on Planet Jersey.

"Im not sure at who the target was with this posting. I think it started out as a big dig at Stuart Syvret, then when it go published has in fact attacked ************ and family."

> The Blog post does not have a target, reporting facts in the writers own hand is nothing different than all the unacredited media have been doing. Syvret reproduces emails without permission, spins the contents to fit his purposes on a daily basis. You make no mention of your thoughts on his actions. He is clearly a serial abuser behind the whiter than white public image and has been caught out by the game he introduced us all to.

"Now some might say that is Karma for leaking the email but that is not my view. If she intended it to end up on the bog then she has been stitched up like a kipper."

> Nothing happens by accident, perhaps she exposed this cretin for the a-hole he is, perhaps she mistakenly passed these to a someone who passed them on, perhaps they were acquired in a more underhand way. It does not matter, and it does not change how he has behaved, and is with no doubt, continuing to behave.

"If she is not happy about the blog posting all she should do is write a comment and ask them to remove it. If she is not happy about her private life being discussed like that a simple comment is all that it takes."

> I’ll try this on Syvrets blog, any odds on the success I am likely to have.

"So ****** if you want it removed all you do is put the ball in the court of the blog owners. Go on their site and leave them a comment, they don't have to publish it, explain how you feel and see what they do."

> I suspect they may remove it as you say, as unlike the a-hole they probably have some degree of empathy for victims of abuse.

"It is that simple"

> Yes it is that simple, so why don’t you get it??

"Bloody Eastenders"

> Syvret is like a virus, to rid it from your body you need a little anti-virus, ok so you need to use a little of the virus itself, but a soon as we are all immunised we can get on with the real issues.
August 08, 2010


Are we now entering the Matrix with this? I know im bored but so what. So the virus is now loose, is this the Blog Virus a 'VILE VIRUS' or can you go down to one of those new 'Church of the Fellowship' places where the crazed preacher will throw you about   and  suck the 'Vile Virus' out of you?

Now check this out

 "Nothing happens by accident, perhaps she exposed this cretin for the a-hole he is, perhaps she mistakenly passed these to a someone who passed them on, perhaps they were acquired in a more underhand way. It does not matter, and it does not change how he has behaved, and is with no doubt, continuing to behave"

So what we will do is nail anyone in our path as long as we nail the Syvret, we will stoop to the same levels just as long as we nail the Syvret, we will nail anyone who talks to the Syvret, why are we so obsessed by the Syvret, can we mention Syvret, did we mention Syvret?


Then we have this

The Blog post does not have a target, reporting facts in the writers own hand is nothing different than all the unacredited media have been doing. Syvret reproduces emails without permission, spins the contents to fit his purposes on a daily basis. You make no mention of your thoughts on his actions. He is clearly a serial abuser behind the whiter than white public image and has been caught out by the game he introduced us all to.

Why should I mention any thoughts, Stuart does his own thing, right or wrong. If you have trouble with him then go sort it out with him.

Christ it really is Eastenders

Sorry Mods just bored delete it if you like

rs

[newmac]

Rico,

What I find funny in a sad sort of way is that the farce blog tries to make it's self out as above the rest in that it will only post facts and not slag off people like it claims other local blogs and forums do,
If people take time to read any of it the multi poster slags off and makes more accusations and threats then probably most the others put together.
It claims to have many States members supporting it. I know two Senators have said they do (e Main and Perchard) but it doesn't say much for them and any others who haven't even got the courage to put there names to posts (another form of cyber bullying) which so many slag of Syvret for, but at least he done it in his own name and not hid behind some scared little blogger.

It's all very sad really, when there's so many important things going on in this Island.

[rico sorda]

I agree Newmac

All very sad indeed

rs

[tonytheprof]

Rico - well done for picking the paragraphs to show the Farce blog says one thing (no targets) and then does something else (lots of diatribe against Stuart Syvret).

Psychologically, I would surmise the blog writer is an attention seeker (or group of attention seekers) who wants to provoke reactions (and thus get attention) - hence the thoughts of a pseudo-States member, and now the leaked emails from Stuart Syvret, and comments designed to provoke - mostly against Rico, Voice, and myself - and the vehement denials that the "thoughts of a States member" is a fiction, whereas a textual analysis shows it has too much in common (vocab, style, etc) with the blog writers than any States member.

While Terry le Main and Jim Perchard have given material for use in the blog, their names have appeared - and Senator Perchard was quite insistent that the section authorising the posting of the email be shown. He may have made some mistakes in what he's said in the past, but he has clearly learnt from that, and is covering his back.

Hence also the lack of time stamps on comments - a sudden rush of many close together time stamps on various comments would suggest that either it was fantastically popular, or that we were faced with a similar event to the JEP "text in" for support of high towers, where the analysis showed it was actually three people making a massive amount of texts to skew the balances. If this isn't the case, why doesn't the blog reintroduce time stamps? Especially as time stamps are an option that has to be deliberately turned off; its automatic state is "on".

[rico sorda]

Tony

I agree, the over the top obsession with Syvret is a little freaky and reminds me of when Alan Partridge meets his number 1 fan and leaves with the classic line " You're a Mentalist"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l76u8Z5Ic2U

I said before that they were in fact attacking the Deputy and not Stuart and this is one of the reasons

From the Farce Blog

Anonymous said...
How do we know that this is not a set up
William Baihlache is implicated in Xs files she handed over to G P
I wouldn't trust The nutter or legs apart
August 08,

What is going on with that blog.

Deputy Power

you come on here can you state yes or no are you involved with this filth.

Thank you


rs

[Sean Power]

Sorry to disappoint you Rico. 

The answer is no and while I resent the allegation, I suppose it is to be expected that you guys are all fishing to find out who these posters are on HDLGF blog.

I do read all the blogs, including yours when and if I have time. However, I refrain from posting.

With that, I will not make any further comment as I do not really want to get involved.


Sean

[tonytheprof]

Just to put the record straight, I didn't mention Sean because I thought it was unlikely to be him. There is a copy of a comment by him on Haut de La Garenne on the blog, but under his own name. Why should he hide under a nom de plume?

Anyhow, he has far more important matters to deal with - addressing rogue landlords who let substandard (and often unfit to live in) accomodation to people without residential qualification being one. The small landlords often spend as little as they can on any repairs, and there are such matters as damp, mouldy walls, infestations of mites behind peeling wallpaper, flaking paint, rotten window frames etc too many people crammed into a small space etc. That's far more important for Sean to deal with than a personal tiff between two people.

Personally, I don't think any States member would be stupid enough to post anonymously - secrets in Jersey have a habit of leaking (as in the UK) - and if the name came out there would certainly be material for a complaint against them to PPC.

[ole razzy]

Sorry to disappoint you Rico. 

The answer is no and while I resent the allegation, I suppose it is to be expected that you guys are all fishing to find out who these posters are on HDLGF blog.

Fair enough Deputy Power but there is a lengthy guest posting on that site which is attributed to you. If you haven't seen it I suggest you contact the blog administrator and ask for your name and the article to be removed.

I have now read the full version of the email ex-change and I'd say about 70% has made it online. I have no intention of publishing any section of it but will make a few comments.

Firstly at the top of page 1 there is an email from CL to somebody called J. It’s only a two liner but is quite astonishing.  There’s some name calling, and admission that she has not responded to any of Syvret’s 5 previous emails, some mention of texts and a Facebook comment relating to her infidelities with one of the named people. There are two in total it is revealed later.

I have pondered who J might be and from the way it is written I am assuming it is another woman. The email is written in the style of one woman trading confidences with another – as is their way. Given the content of the following 9 pages I think it’s also safe to assume that J is another States member. I have heard it said over various dinner tables at the weekend that it might well be Jackie Hilton or Jennifer Bridge but I have no strong feeling for this one way or another. What is clear is that the email makes no mention of CL’s desire to make the full document public. Again one can only speculate as to who made that decision or their motives but I struggle with the idea that CL would sanction this through a third party as she comes out of it all quite badly. What little reputation she had left has, IMHO, been effectively tarnished. But they do go for these free spirited women in Grouville so maybe she’ll survive politically. To my mind It also makes no sense that she would allow the names of her two ‘lovers’ to be made public.  A quick search on Facebook reveals that she is friends with both men and that one has a child.

[tonytheprof]

I wouldn't have thought Jennifer Bridge is at all likely. I've been in contact with her briefly and from her replies:

1) She is pleased to have left the political arena, and all the aggrevation that came with it, she mentioned (on Facebook) the sense of relief it gave her. I shouldn't have thought she'd have kept much in touch with States members.

2) From what I know of her personally, she is not the kind of person to send "gossip" emails on to all her friends; she strikes me as the kind of person who has a very firm code on confidentiality.

[Mr Susan]

All very quiet over there, I have to say. You can almost see the tumbleweed lolling across the screen.

Maybe those varmints are busy on the Daily Mail forum; I’m not saying their own website is astoundingly offensive or anything.

[namoop]

If the email currently being published on the Very boring blogsis genuine, it would appear the Syvret has finally popped a rivet and is in terminal decline.

It would seem that SSS is trying to claim damages from Princess Labia for leading him on for 16 years and then giving him the Bum's Rush. In a classic bi-polar blame transfer exercise, SSS is now laying the loss of his States seat, his failures in Court and his exile from Jersey all at the feet of his alleged gold-digging, nymphomaniac, two timing ex-girlfriend.

In his own words, the blessed one is penniless, destitute, jobless etc. but none of this would have happened were it not for the despicable actions of his former partner. When SSS realises, in a rare moment of lucidity, that he was the architect of his own destruction and that there is nobody to blame but himself, he will become a danger to himself. If Social Services do not immediately send out two men in white coats with a big net to bring SSS in before he self harms, we will all have his death on our respective consciences. Speaking for myself, I can live with that but can you?

[Mr Susan]

Dear Namoop,

You are a truly sad individual.

[rogueelement]

You mean he was not a political exile ? I thought he was on the lamb from the local bobbies , serving the interests of his constituPansys and now you are blaggin it was a done up job , he was doin a runner from the Doris ?? You are a sick person and no merstake!