I see your point Deputy Dawg, I was merely relating to areas in which they could possibly be trained rather than where they should be utilising previous knowledge in their field which in this case one person obvioulsy cannot. But then same probably goes for most positions. I just think that there are some training courses that could improve things a bit, another would be presentation skills. Ah, perhaps I am just being naive, just because I have managed to take on board different lessons/views/ideas (cant think of the correct word!) from various training courses I think our politicians are equally able to gain something, although in Paul Daniels words it would probably be "Not a lot"!