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Offline RegL

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Just a thought
« on: October 26, 2009, 01:09:39 AM »
A first for Jersey


The micro Close Circuit T V system that has recently been installed in all States Departments has proved so successful that it will be going onto the Internet. A group of Deputies who wanted open Government decided that computer users would be the first to see what was going on behind the scenes in the States.

Unfortunately (general public) Internet users will not be able to hear live sound because of the privacy law but they will have the opportunity to see everything that State’s employees from all the departments are doing. They will be able to look in at everything from Committee meetings to watching workmen working on the roads. The Deputies (who all wish to remain anonymous) said that the mini cameras are so small they doubt whether work personnel would know or care that they were being overlooked.

The Deputies behind this exciting new medium said it was going to be similar to the popular TV program Big Brother. They are going online on 1st April 2010 with a … £10,000 Competition … Computer users world wide, over eighteen years old can enter.  The competition is in three categories.  ‘A’. Top salaried personnel   ‘B’   White collar workers… ‘C’  All personnel working outdoors. … They have to choose from either category A,B or C and nominate the person / persons the they have seen to be working hardest.

The same group of politicians are working towards an Island wide scheme  ‘Time and Motion.’  From 1st April 2011, all states workers will be paid what they are worth. 

 
« Last Edit: October 27, 2009, 01:50:56 AM by RegL »

Offline Chevalier Blanc

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 03:47:13 AM »
Nice one Reg is this will be an early a wind up?
If that were true they would all down their tools and pencils. Roll on 1st  April 2010.

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 04:40:06 AM »
'The same group of politicians are working towards an Island wide scheme  ‘Time and Motion.’  From 1st April 2011, all states workers will be paid what they are worth'

.......that should save us a lot of money then!

 


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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 04:44:33 AM »
There are two new CCTV cams erected at Tower road overlooking the underground reservoir and the Telecoms GSM Mast
maybe these are going to be used to spy on the workers ???

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 09:09:25 AM »
I don't believe it - it's too good to be true.  Though if you think of it from the angle that someone in the states part owns or is related to someone who owns an IT company who can conveniently install and run the system, then it becomes very possible.

Early April fools jokes are technically illegal - you'll be seeking asylum in the UK after this.

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 10:46:17 AM »
I am disheartened to see Gee Gee and Chevalier Blank joining in with this tirade against our States workers ! I have just been watching the erection of the Christmas bulbs , a cherry picker with 5 blokes moving the "danger" signs as they progress from King St to Sand St with all the attendant traffic problems attached thereto.
2 questions
1 why is the cherry picker a hired piece of equipment ?
2 why was this not done yesterday when there was no traffic?


The hired piece of equipment we will no doubt learn in the fullness of time is because we do not need a permanent one. I know this for  fact because we leave the bloody lights on all the way from West Park to St Aubins all year round ! I,m sure that given the quality of the bulbs we do not need to change any of them from one year to the next!
Besides which , a Cost of £40 k for a cherry picker as opposed to an annual charge of £20k for hire looks better on the books.I wonder which lucky States Member is a Director of the hire firm??

Why was it not done yesterday=Sunday ,=minimal disruption.
Well I am positive if we ask Mr Corbel , local Capo of the Union we might find that doing such a thing would be in total contravention of being a member of a Union and it is not their job to ensure minimal disruption!!
Complete and utter knobs the lot of them.

I agree with all of that. 

They probably wont do it on a Sunday because they're probably already getting paid to be on standby on Sunday anyway, so why work it for the extra cash?

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 11:20:03 AM »
It doesn't cost much to hire a cherry picker, something like £250 for a week.

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 12:42:44 PM »
Excuse me but these are the same clowns that Nick Corbel thinks should be paid more money!
I am sick of repeating the same facts, people in the private sector are losing their jobs,people in the private sector are accepting zero increases in salaries, people in the private sector are sick to death of those in the "public" sector expressing their concerns about lack of increases! Guess what ,you do not have a right to be suckled from cradle to grave by your employers! In the real world we accept that. it is a simple case of make money get paid. In the fantasy world of States employment it is , "who gives a damn about the current situation , it costs more so give us more! "
I sincerely hope for a winter of discontent so that we can finally bury the leaches on this Island who deserve nothing but abuse for their continous whining ,whilst doing nothing but sucking off the hind teat.
It is about time our politicians nailed their flag to a mast and told state working vampires, that they have enjoyed our largesse for long enough .get a "Real Job" ,what some of these people do within the SOJ is no longer tolerable to those of us who actually pay tax.
The Americans threw out the Brits , starting in Boston , their cry was "no taxation without representation" I fear that we are almost in a position where our cry should be "No represention ,without taxation!"
Appealing to the lowest common denominator ,will without doubt result in the lowest form of politician of which we have many examples. Southern, Pitman x2 , I coud add various other names like Tadier and Macon ( Is that a french term?) do not know what de sousa has done apart from being sick for a while ,Labey , the constables (Who should be ashamed)
 We have Ineptitude for leadership, Dross for deputies and a group of Constables who refuse to give way.
Perhaps the OECD will enforce change , perhaps the UK ......, either way, I for one am becoming sick of the posturing, sick of the self serving egoists , and most of all Sick of Syvret .Starting with him and going all the way through the rest we have ,so called politicians who do not have the remotest clue about how to run this Island .
As always , I stand and wait to be elected by popular acclaim, I will forbear the sacrifices of freedom to run the Island.
the people of Jersey have nothing to fear but the sacking of 4000 civil servants ,I will ensure (Via my control of the courts)that no
additional costs will be applied , as seizure of passports and work permits will be swift and rigourous.For a mere £1million /year I am prepared to step up to the mark.
My good friend Robert Mugabe has promised me support and if you value your farm lands , you had better listen.


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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 01:28:05 PM »
The worker just does what he is told so ask the questions to their management team who give the orders.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 01:47:04 PM »
You are obviously talking about the management who have no clue, leading the workers who do not give a sh1t.
CB , you and I know loads of people working for the States, for whom we have zero respect , but it is a job right? might be a cushy job, might be a part time job but it is a job and you cannot be sacked unless you are terminally stupid!
Just supposing you , with your knowledge of how things work instead of some muppet consultant ,was asked to advise on some of these situations ?
I would hazard a guess we could remove a major raft of management who do nothing but ensure a job for themselves next year.
This is accross the board , from Agriculture to Tourism ( I would have mentioned the Zoo ,but apparently we dont have one, we have a Durrel ) Freakin useless , nondescript ,waste of spaces who have not a single clue about life apart from their own requirements, and how the guy in dept A gets more for doing even less than they do in dept B and therefore believe they are due a rise , whilst in the real world , they would mostly be sacked , for being bolshie, arrogant , stupid and crap at their jobs.Nevermind Christmas is coming ,I,m sure they cal cadge whacks of overtime........useless tossers.

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 04:06:52 PM »
As a tax payer and voter and not employed by the States (as with the majority of workers) what feelings are surfacing over the public sector wanting an increase in wages ? If this is not possible (reading between the lines) a shorter working week and more holidays and or other benefits should be offered, hence the return to collective bargaining push wanted by the unions, who clearly are aware, there is no money in the bank.

On the news tonight as a healthy contrast, dustman in Leeds have been on strike for seven weeks  because their management want to cut their wages by 30%.

Applied across the public sector in Jersey this would save over £90 million pounds and get rid of the looming deficit and halt thoughts of tax increases.Just a thought.

As a part time, small time contributor thought I would offer others who's views highlight the States pathetic housekeeping in these difficult times. Staff costs are a significant cost in the private sector does CM Le Suer or  Treasury minister Ozouf go far enough with a wage freeze? Furthermore judging by Kevin Keens figures the spin machine has been at work big time and we are paying £290,000 for the machine to keep spinning.

To read the full article please hit the links.

Ben JEP

The Council of Ministers have smashed that record with cuts so breathtakingly cynical that a small part of you has to admire the courage it took to write them down.

Here’s a sample: Cutting baby milk supplies in maternity. Reducing heating in the General Hospital by five degrees. Putting up bus fares. Closing Environment Department visitor centres.

In case you missed it, here’s the underlying message – the States are so stretched for cash that if you cut so much as 0.5% (£4m from a £754m budget) newborn babies go hungry, sick people shiver, bus passengers have to hold whip-rounds for petrol money and we have to close down the countryside.

Ask yourself, when did you see a package of cuts proposed that would have removed funding from traffic wardens, or slapped a five-year pay freeze on everyone earning over £50,000 or capping overtime for all States staff?

Never, that’s when. And you never will either. Those things might be popular, and that would ruin everything.

Because, while ministers keep indulging in the kinds of games we have seen in the Business Plan, they don’t have to look at the kinds of savings that might get controversial, like cutting back on the insane pension deals in the public sector, seriously reviewing pay rates or supplementation, or looking at how much middle management we actually need.

And why look at those things at all? You can just propose cutting some cheap services that a lot of people use or come into contact with, killing three birds with one stone (how’s that for efficiency?).

First, you give the impression of a service at breaking point, where the slightest cut – and 0.5% ain’t huge folks – appears to mean drastic cuts.

Second, you can keep your fingers crossed that someone will lodge an amendment to restore your funding and put more cash into your department.

That’s why you don’t see the proposals to cut unpopular services (I’m picking on traffic wardens this week, but you can probably come up with a few more), or a pay-freeze for high earners or a cap on over-time.

And thirdly, you don’t even have to do the shouting, the moaning or the protesting. The unions have people who are elected and paid to protect jobs and salaries that will do it for you.

Remaining on the subject of the Business Plan just for a moment, the press conference a week ago saw a repetition of what must be a contender for the Most Irritating and Nonsensical Argument of the Year.

It was Treasury Minister Philip Ozouf who reminded us all, in case we’d forgotten, that Jersey’s economic situation represented ‘a far better picture than most other countries and most Treasury or Chief Ministers in any other country’.

Yeah? And so what?

We’ve got less rain than Bangladesh, less unemployment than Spain, and less knife crime than central London.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/07/27/a-week-in-politics-48/

Kevin Keen did not listen to the spin, and compiled his own figures.

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• In spite of a pay freeze, a lot of ‘shroud waving’ and a projected drop in States income of £94 million. Net revenue expenditure will actually grow by £26 million or 4.6% next year.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/08/27/cutting-costs-is-a-must/

The three hundred and one million pounds wage draw, plus more than thirty one million pounds in employers social security payments to service the wage bill, was one day going to sink the island and that day is approaching. How can an island of 48 square miles cope with public sector wages of over £332 million and rising ? Attach to these facts, there is a working population of around fourty nine thousand and business is contributing far less, major financial surgery is needed to get spending under control.

Unless the States members who think Jersey can go on like this, join the real world, we are sunk. Increasing tax will only hurt the low and middle earners. Jersey will be more even more expensive, and for many not worth staying.
Those leaving will not be on cosy benefits, will not be working for the States and will not be superwealthy enjoying happy tax breaks. The very slow but downward spiral continues.

Boatyboy

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 11:53:46 AM »
i asked kevin keen, if he would stand for goverment, sadly he said he would not(shame).
 i could not agree more boatboy.

as for other countries,  the person living in a mud hut is better off than me , as it is his mud hut.

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 03:59:46 PM »
Just had another thought why do they not remove all traffic lights and put roundabouts filter in turn. No cost once insulted and traffic keeps moving. Traffic lights hold up traffic, how many times have you been stopped on a red light and no other traffic about? Roundabouts filter in turn at the top of Beaumont Hill replaced the lights that were there. A car smashed them up and while waiting for new lights to arrive at a very high cost the filter in turn was put in as a temporary measure, it worked so well that the roundabout filter in turn is still there to day costs nothing and traffic always moving.

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 04:14:54 PM »
CB , that is common sense , so obviously we cannot rely on anyone to take any notice of it,,, what would those poor buggers at transport be doing if they could not find increasingly stupid ways to feck the traffic up?

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Re: Just a thought
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2010, 06:10:32 PM »

The most ridiculous siting of traffic lights has to be the ones yards from the Queens Road roundabout which continually disrupts the flow of traffic