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Offline Adrian

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What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« on: June 30, 2009, 09:39:06 PM »
I think it will be the same as many other great Jersey people a states housing estate named after him

Offline Dylan

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 05:36:49 AM »
Do you mean the on they are going to build on the HDLG site?
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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 09:05:35 AM »
Do you mean the on they are going to build on the HDLG site?

No that will be the Stuart Syvret housing estate

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 09:27:52 AM »
At least one will be the Jersey Legal website which has made access to the law easier.

Major changes in the Registry etc.

Actually he has been quite an innovator albeit some of his ideas such as a National gallery are a bit pie in the sky

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 10:12:21 AM »
Sir Flip, along with George Ritchie and Bob Tilling, was instrumental in setting up the Jersey Arts Centre some 25 years ago. Admittedly this was not in the role of Bailiff but an important contribution to the Islands cultural life nonetheless.

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 12:07:46 PM »
No it requires government subsidy like every other regional theatre / arts centre across europe. Ive not seen the JAC accounts for some time but I'm guessing its taking a grant of £400,000 per annum. Which is about the same as the Jersey Opera House which has 400 more seats. I mention this as some of the cultural providers have historically been treated more favourably then others. Its got nothing to do with how good your end product is, how many tickets you sell, or how satisfied your punters are -its just like the real world in fact, not what you know its who you know.

Arts Centres are (supposedly) just like hospitals, drains, roads, and other public services. They are invested in by governments the world over because its beleived they play an important part in creating a modern and balanced society. Gonna bite?
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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 09:13:23 PM »
Yea Razzi I can go for that.

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 09:42:40 PM »
Arts Centres are (supposedly) just like hospitals, drains, roads, and other public services. They are invested in by governments the world over because its beleived they play an important part in creating a modern and balanced society. Gonna bite?


So why is it so bleedin expensive? A family of 2.2 going to the ballet is going to cost you just shy of £250 plus your drinks at the interval etc. Which bit of society can afford that? Or more importantly why are the unbalanced part of the society subsidising a nicety that only the "balanced" side of society can afford to go to?

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 09:47:15 PM »
So why is it so bleedin expensive? A family of 2.2 going to the ballet is going to cost you just shy of £250 plus your drinks at the interval etc. Which bit of society can afford that? Or more importantly why are the unbalanced part of the society subsidising a nicety that only the "balanced" side of society can afford to go to?

Or, put another way, if the States manual workers are so woefully underpaid, perhaps we should stop taxing them to pay for the High and Mighty's pleasures?
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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 09:58:52 PM »
The States manual workers are probably some of the few who can afford it. They certainly have the free time to attend.   :D

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2009, 05:23:59 AM »
Or, put another way, if the States manual workers are so woefully underpaid, perhaps we should stop taxing them to pay for the High and Mighty's pleasures?

You sure your'e not Wkr Knight?

My mate is a self employed tiler as well as a Bean, you know, the sort who has a slosh of "ahh butt! sauce on anything edible!". OK, his hard wiring may be underamped but when at work he bangs out Gilbert & Sullivan fantastically! I onced asked him about his passion - d'you know, he just said his daughter was always singing in plays and stuff and as a family they love to see her perform. Hardly one of the high & mighty!
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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 07:49:49 AM »
Many people will remember him solely for that Liberation Day speech, and the offense it caused.

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 08:28:37 AM »
So why is it so bleedin expensive? A family of 2.2 going to the ballet is going to cost you just shy of £250 plus your drinks at the interval etc. Which bit of society can afford that? Or more importantly why are the unbalanced part of the society subsidising a nicety that only the "balanced" side of society can afford to go to?

Not sure which ballet your 2.2 family is attending here. If I take my girlfriend and daughter to the Royal Opera House in Convent Garden to watch some people singing and dancing its probably going to cost me £300 for flights, £200 for hotel, £100 for cheap seat tickets with another £200 on top for dinner, travel passes, trains, taxi's etc and thats before I've popped into Reiss or Hugo Boss to buy a new shirt and a pair of strides for another 200 sheets. So I don't get much change out of a grand for that excursion.

Conversely if I go to the Jersey Opera House with the same group to watch say The Nutcracker by the Moscow State Ballet I can do pre theatre dinner, tickets and taxi home all for under £100 and my enjoyment is no less then if I was in the west end. I don't think in this day and age that's unreasonable, especially when on a different occasion I (and I'm no different from any other guy in my 30's regardless of job status) meet up with a few mates after work on Friday where between us we could easily spend twice that on beers, wines, steaks and taxis. Its all a question of perceived value.

The other point is that a lot of people still seem to have a chip on their shoulder about those that attend cultural events, they see them as poncey highbrow and elitist types. This is frankly the biggest load of horseshit I've ever heard. All the research done by Arts Council England shows that there is a very even demographic spread across UK audiences from pope to dustman and when you go behind the curtain (in Jersey at least) where there is a very strong amateur tradition you will find the Advocates wife's frantically changing sets during the interval shoulder to shoulder with a manual worker and the fella who works in Begin's Shoes. But that's not to say there aren't culture snobs out there, I know quite a few and usually they sit on various management committees and do so more for their own social standing than any practical desire to see society become more informed and aware, its just that this is a very easy steriotype to trot out when trying to run down the real value of culture to society as a whole.

And I agree with Sheriff Forskitt  - The Bailiff's speech sucked, that was his low point.  

Now where did I put that copy of Razzle?
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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2009, 08:38:24 AM »
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Culture , am I gonna bite ?
Damn right ! Long haired, tree hugging, nouveau smart , pontificating spongers!
I went to an art exhibition last night in St Aubins, to see the works of my daughter and several others of her school class and the class above .You could tell the "artists" the men , longish unkempt hair, sandals (de rigoure darling) with socks!! Philistine!
the female version ,, Laura Ashley large prints over leggings! Good god is there a manual in how to dress like a muppet?
Still it was interesting to see the take on what is currently considered suitable for A level art , mostly very down and with it , approaching conceptual but illustrating basics skills as well which is lot better than your mate Tracy Vermin.Can she draw a horse is all I ask , can she? If not she is not an artist , but a barnham and bailey seller of invisible clothes.
Damian Hurst , I suppose we should pay some bastard a £1 million to have an exhibition of his factory produced dead animals in formaldehyde. At least he could make it vodka and the punters could contribute to "real" event -drink the vodka and watch it decompose! I bet he will have that in next years catalogue.
Ballet -Ha! Elitist nonsense which come the glorious day will be lined up along with opera and condemned to the 3rd circle of hell.
Give the Opera house to Dick Ray to run, "Carry on Nurse " was always full of happy campers and locals too.I mean who the **** thinks they are going to make any money putting Chekov on? Leave that to the school plays , at least you are guaranteed a laugh when the scenery falls over.Talking vaginas and playful penii? disgusting affront to most peoples sensibilities and should be limited to dodgy 20 seaters in Soho , filthy animals!
Apart from that , we need to maintain our cultural heritage ( I have no idea why we need to maintain it , but everyone seems to think it is a good thing so it must be ) The Castles look great , shame we do not see them in the back drop to a lot more films , where we could actually make some money instead of throwing it away on talking penises (or is it Penii?)
Bring on the inducements to the film industry , like the Isle of Man , tax breaks for writers (Not Geoffrey Archer) tax breaks for Artists , on condition that they can draw a horse and let private enterprise cater for the amusement of the masses (IF the masses are not interested then so be it , why should we all subsidise elitist nonsense.

I agree - The St. Aubin's cultural scene is car crash bad taste layerd with desperatly sad wannabees with no dicerenable talent. Like Steptoe's yard for the WI. Room 101 for all of that.

Interestingly one of my tutors at Goldsmith's College was a britsh conceptual artist called Mark Wallinger (who in a historical sense is part of the Hirst, Emin, YBA generation).

He's most famous for his horses. Check em out Sparty, they are pretty cool. And just in case you were wondering its all about very british issues of race, class and breeding!

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Re: What will be Sir Phillip's legacy?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2009, 10:51:24 AM »
My Bro went to Goldsmiths!
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