Yes I was surprised at how many "new arrivals" in the States were trying to pull the ladder up behind them. Geoff Southern, Big Dan, Judy Martin, Alan Breckon, Mike Higgins, Debbie de Sousa - all voted in favour of Dan's proposition to keep the population the same as now (How? Selective culling?). It's a bit baffling. I accept immigration is unfortunately needed, we can't go back and to stop dead in the water, like a shark, means drowning and sinking! Although I don't know what the solution is, I suspect that if the recession is as bad as predicted, enough people will go "home" that population growth might be the least of our worries!