Author Topic: Back chat, banter, outings and accusations - PJ and SSS blog's turn sour  (Read 3972 times)

ole razzy

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There's always bound to be a bit of needle. It may even be a good thing at times. Sharpens the wits and provides some cathartic and light hearted relief. And besides it goes with the territory. Politics, even at a very local level, can get pretty shitty at times. It’s why I like to make light of things whenever possible. It would be just too depressing otherwise.

But, since the JTM expose, (and I still say Rico and I sussed it a month before the SSS's blog right here on this website - a fact overlooked by many on both sides of the fence - sniff  :'() there really has developed a fault line of almost unrecognisable proportions. A chasm so wide that one has to wonder if there will ever a rapprochement or some little cyber consensus in the quest for a better government, a more balanced society and the need for hard hitting and objective criticism of the traditional news channels and of the dreaded spin.

One only has to read the comments section on Stuart's blog nowadays to see there's a real excitement on the part of some of his commentators when speculating about the identity of people who also choose to express their views here. I am sure some frivolously masturbate one handed whilst typing meaningless innuendo after innuendo. I even got a mention today. Some bright spark, because I'd stated on the friggin 'Bergerac' thread that for a living I am employed as a TV producer, suggested I was a fella called Richard Hall from St. Aubin's FFS  ??? Online darlings of the left who have come to know me, do me a favour, knock that one on the head will ya!

So for the record; I have railed against a bloated administration, backed Stuart Syvret on this forum in respect of the efforts he has made for the victims of institutional child abuse, continually criticised the political structures seemingly operating unchecked in the post clothier landscape and lashed out at a wide range of sanctimonious fools who many would describe as 'establishment' politicians. I have in the past hounded JTM whenever possible, slagged of Ozouf, Cohen, Vibert, MacLean, Walker and Le Sueur and, whenever possible, contributed my deeper understanding and idiosyncratic knowledge of matters cultural. But I have absolutely no problem with stating that I also hold in high regard those individuals who have sought to critique what I would describe as the 'Syvret, Centre, Green, Left Alliance'. Criticism is, after all, a vital function of political discourse. And at times I've been dazzled by the rational logic applied to their arguments and their wholehearted belief in the need for evidence and proof and of the need to abide by the law. They (doffing cap to Gordon Brown, Spartacus, Durendal and Iruka in particular) may not hold views that are wholly acceptable to many who seek justice and truth online, but it is rare that they duck a bullet and their tenacity is to be applauded as much as their intellect. You see I do not believe that you have to agree with somebody all the time to respect them and I honestly don’t think that the snide speculations as to individuals identities take us any nearer to a clearer understanding of what is in our collective best interests as a community. And whilst I like to goof around a bit on PJ I'm really more interested in reading rational debate. If it’s robust, challenging, difficult and at times heated I like it even more.

So (puts soapbox back under the stairs and raising eyebrow spots an old edition of readers wives) I'd like to see an end to the pettiness on both sides. For this dreadful 'us and them mentality' that has cast a long shadow over online politics of late takes the focus off the real issues.

Oh and one more thing - I can categorically 100% hand on heart say that JTM is none of the above posters and that this forum is all the better for it.

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But I have absolutely no problem with stating that I also hold in high regard those individuals who have sought to critique what I would describe as the 'Syvret, Centre, Green, Left Alliance'. Criticism is, after all, a vital function of political discourse. And at times I've been dazzled by the rational logic applied to their arguments and their wholehearted belief in the need for evidence and proof and of the need to abide by the law. They (doffing cap to Gordon Brown, Spartacus, Durendal and Iruka in particular) may not hold views that are wholly acceptable to many who seek justice and truth online, but it is rare that they duck a bullet and their tenacity is to be applauded as much as their intellect.

The best part of a good debate is learning why someone has the views they have and trying to impart your view back. As you have stated above, it is also a vital function of political discourse and I don't know why more politicians don't enter into the fray. I don't particulaly pick left or right side of political life to debate and in the past I have probably had a go at every one of them in the house.

I don't however hold much truck with liars, cheats, lawbreakers and bullies either personally or politically. Politicians who are seen to be doing this are fair game in my book, broad shoulders as they should have it is only public discource after all. For every message that a person posts some will agree and some will disagree, its part of humanity, but without it, there would be no way forward for knowledge.

A most bodacious post Razzy. With this one I heartily agree ;)

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Amen to all that Razzy. Spot on, as usual.

I look in on two websites most days: PJ and SSS's blog. Why? To get a broad view, to see both sides of the fence. We're a broad church in Jersey, and I find value in both sites. Long may that continue.

Please stop the PJ vs SSS wars. If not, someone will probably parachute Tony Blair in as a peace envoy...

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Amen to all that Razzy. Spot on, as usual.

I look in on two websites most days: PJ and SSS's blog. Why? To get a broad view, to see both sides of the fence. We're a broad church in Jersey, and I find value in both sites. Long may that continue.

Please stop the PJ vs SSS wars. If not, someone will probably parachute Tony Blair in as a peace envoy...

Now you have got me running scared!

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We're a broad church in Jersey,



Good Posting Raz,

PDT more a sinner-gogue than a Broad Church!!
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Well for all you cyber people out there i can say ole razzy is a friend of mine..  razzy may i say another fine post from you..

I don't post much these days cant be bothered but reading the comments on SSS blog can sometimes make you bang your head against the wall, when we march again on july 4th i hope they all turn up...

JTM has gone and dave caradine had nothing on him thats for sure  ::)

And for what its worth i would also have a pint with that drag queen sparty and durendal .. Just because you have different views well so what talking face to face is the only way forward...

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razzy is that ok for the 20 quid i could say we were lovers for 50  ::)

rs
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£50!!

Easy tiger!

You normally only charge £35 and that's for the full treatment  :-*

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35 you make me sound cheap razzy im hurt  ;D

ok ok for 45 i will change were to are  :P :P

rs
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ole razzy

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Please stop the PJ vs SSS wars. If not, someone will probably parachute Tony Blair in as a peace envoy...

This has been bothering me all day.

The more I think about it the more I honestly believe this is a genius idea.

It would boost our tourist economy tenfold. Think of the millions who would flock to witness it. Those globally that would tune in on TV?

I would try to coax Mike Lanyon out of retirement by asking him to act as chief flight officer on the drop (checking parachutes, rip chords etc - you get the idea). Stuff a pocket full of minatures in his barbour during the briefing.

The inevitable and truly awful outcome would have huge benefits for Jersey in terms of its 'international profile'. Plus Mike would get the Caribbean Island he always dreamed of.

The world's media would then descend and pour over the awful spectacle. Even the point of impact. My kit hire rates would treble and I might even get to fulfil my lifelong ambition to work with Trevor McDonald - woo hoo!).

Thousands of new Sharia compliant trusts would be established and Robert Christensen would become the richest man in the world.

If that wasn't enough Dandara would then win the contract from Hopkins to build an iconic world class mosque on the site (passed by Freddy Cohen no less) whilst the Heritage blue badge guides suddenly stop volunteering and form a limited liability company.

Smart Pomme. Very smart.
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Can't we all just get along?

A poem: THE MOUSE AND THE SNAIL- A TRAIL OF MORALITY.

http://www.authorsden.com/categories/poetry_top.asp?id=193853&catid=44

You have to cursor down a bit until you come to the poem but I do not think it is too purile and fits the current situation!

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« Last Edit: June 11, 2009, 07:36:59 AM by Calimachon »
"Life gives to all the choice. You can satisfy yourself with mediocrity if you wish. You can be common, ordinary, dull, colorless, or you can channel your life so that it will be clean,vibrant, progressive, useful, colorful, rich". Spencer W. Kimball (Calimachon is not a Mormon nor is she in any shape or form religious but she thinks this applies to all humans and more so to a Humanist!  :)

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I totally agree Hero Member!
"Life gives to all the choice. You can satisfy yourself with mediocrity if you wish. You can be common, ordinary, dull, colorless, or you can channel your life so that it will be clean,vibrant, progressive, useful, colorful, rich". Spencer W. Kimball (Calimachon is not a Mormon nor is she in any shape or form religious but she thinks this applies to all humans and more so to a Humanist!  :)

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Eyes closed, mouth wide open, body stiffening, shuddering, left hand firmly clasped around pumping genitalia, whilst right hand on keyboard typing things on SSS's blog like;

PJ offline?! Maybe someone hacked it at last, it was practically begging for it, being wide open to a number of hacker "exploits" !

and

Has the troll's site gone?


All after some regular server maintenance stuff which left PJ offline (and me temporarily worrying about a libel case) for a few hours yesterday. Amazing isnt it? I suppose you could put it down to what Spartacus would call 'the muppet tendency'.

Best wishes,

Ole Razzy (liberal Guardian reading, human rights film festival attendee, sandal wearing, nose flute player and basket weaver extraodinaire). For hire as online mercenary representing the views of any political tendency except those of muppets.

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I am a newbie, not only on this board but also on Stuart Syvret's blog; there is a distinct difference between the two.  Planet Jersey, as someone said above, is a broad church forum, whereas the good Senator seems to be "a one trick pony".

It appears to me that there is a pervading atmosphere of paranoia on SS's board, and that this affects the commentators.  I once posted there, asking why 95% of the contributors placed their messages anonymously.  I was told that "this was the norm in Jersey" - in other words, "the Jersey way".   Yes, there are a few people who have the guts to use either their own name or nom de plume, but they are courageous and few.

Stuart Syvet's claque seems to have a pathological hatred of the JEP.  Yes, it is the only printed journal on the island, and it may be biassed (allegedly) but it's all we've got.

It is understandable that Senator Syvret uses his blog to support his causes.  After all, that is the reason he set it up.  But he is let down by some of his soi-disant supporters, who conduct cowardly campaigns against organisations that cannot or will not respond, such as the Freemasons.  There is one contributor there who clearly belongs to "the Craft", and tries to present the organisation in an objective manner, but all too often his comments attract even more derision and hatred.

I find it useful to read as many Jersey-based blogs and websites as possible.  In that way, one can achieve at least an impression of island life.


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I've a lot of time for Stuart (especially on environmental matters/the incinerator ash etc.), but his blog is crazy.

I am prepared to listen to anyone if they are willing to have whatever they say subjected to scrutiny, but the SSS blog seems to be magnet for hysteria and paranoia and SS just doesn't seem to appreciate the value of being concise (and his overuse of adjectives/self-righteous tone is just tedious).

Good news about JTM being vanquished... if he has gone, I might visit PJ more often...
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