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Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« on: May 05, 2009, 01:34:04 PM »
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 02:00:40 PM »
I sincerely hope that you include me in the abused of this Island.I have had to tolerate you and WKer's total tosh for nearly 4 months.I feel stripped mentally , my mind in turmoil at your pseudo emotional "we are Jersey People" racist crap , hopefully another 20 years of enlightened leadership will do away with this pathetic , insular, inbred, rubbish. eh?
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 02:27:59 PM »
The figures in question are scary and the parallels are glaringly obvious - dead abuser & child under adult care. It has been said before, you do not need a successful police prosecution to persue a civil case and in this case the governers failed to convince the judge with the usual denial of liability and defence (sic) that Mr Raggett has left it too long to sue. One imagines the shredders across the UK working overtime except that the FOI now prevents that little carpet brushing exercise because documents are tracked and destruction logged. 

In the case of Jersey, one assumes that police reports are maintained, but for how many years?  Obviously the more recent cases (Holland, VC teacher) will be available for lawyers, but the earlier cases associated with HLG might be harder to prove, although there will be the evidence used in the three forthcoming trials available.

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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 03:00:48 PM »
King Rollo,  I saw Patrick Raggetts' television interview this evening on the news.  He was so articulate and he highlighted how the abuser had manipulated and groomed him to the point that he even searched for his abuser to conduct his marriage service.  It took an arguement at a dinner party with a member of the clergy that brought everything to the fore and he became aware of the nature of the manipulation and grooming and he started his case.

IMHO and I am no legal or medical expert, the legal system is not right in putting in place a time limit in order to bring such cases to court, due to the amount of brainwashing and manipulation used by an abuser on the victim.  It may take a very long time before the victim realises the effect of the abuse on every aspect of his/her life, especially if they try and suppress the abuse.


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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 03:28:30 AM »
Quote from: Spartacus on May 05, 2009, 02:00:40 PM
I sincerely hope that you include me in the abused of this Island.I have had to tolerate you and WKer's total tosh for nearly 4 months.I feel stripped mentally , my mind in turmoil at your pseudo emotional "we are Jersey People" racist crap , hopefully another 20 years of enlightened leadership will do away with this pathetic , insular, inbred, rubbish. eh?

I note the time of posting.

Champions League semi-final too upsetting?
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 03:51:25 AM »
No i am a Manchester United support all my life. Tell me Calimachon what channel was this on.
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 04:07:38 AM »
Sadness all round.

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For as long as I will truly be,
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 04:08:02 AM »
Quote from: White Knight on May 06, 2009, 03:51:25 AM
No i am a Manchester United support all my life. Tell me Calimachon what channel was this on.

So am I had to turn down 2 tickets to Rome as away with my family.

Sparty is an Arse fan hence his sometimes misanthropic nature!
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 04:25:43 AM »
For anyone who wishes to hear a taped interview of Mr Patrick Raggetts reacton to his winning his case please go to this website and cursor down to the audio facility:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8033516.stm

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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 04:44:21 AM »
I’m a bit confused. The title of this post says he “took his case to court and won”, but the news article you have linked to says that the case has barely started and as far as I can tell the latest news in respect of this case is simply that it will proceed to full trial some time in the future, the issue of the time limit not being a factor due to the time of discovery (because he only recently became aware of the alleged abuse). I don’t really think you can consider this “won” until the case for abuse has actually been made, the facts established, and the liability on behalf of the school has been proven.

So far the only argument he has been successful in is the legal point that he is not time bared from making his case, and this is because he has been able to convince the judge that he did not recognise the alleged abuse until recently. So far the only awards have been for legal costs, and a full trial in respect of the alleged abuse is yet to take place. Therefore I think the post is a bit confusing / misleading in the way it is presented.
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009, 04:46:47 AM »
He won his claim to proceed!
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 05:28:38 AM »
Quote from: King Rollo on May 05, 2009, 02:27:59 PM
...It has been said before, you do not need a successful police prosecution to persue a civil case and in this case the governers failed to convince the judge with the usual denial of liability and defence (sic) that Mr Raggett has left it too long to sue...
Why do you feel this isn't an appropriate defence?

If they were unaware of abuse, and nobody made any complaint until four decades later, by which time the accused could not be questioned, and quite possibly others who would have been able to give evidence have also died. What other defence should they be making? or do you suggest that anybody who claims damages in this way should automatically receive them?
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 06:03:25 AM »
When I was at school , we had a teacher who when you were being a bit of a twit would stand you out alongside him in front of the class , grab your left buttock and detail to you that the most nerve endings anywhere , were on the buttocks , that is why caning them or squeezing them was so painful, Do you think I and most of the other boys in the class were abused?
We certainly did,nt think so at the time , we were too busy wincing in pain,, but now I come to think of it , were do I get my snout into the trough?
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 07:39:23 AM »
It does raise an interesting question for SSS's campaign to stop any form of confidentiality or other restrictions on people claiming compensation for alleged abuse.
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Re: Patrick Raggetts took his case to court and won. What a brave man!
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009, 08:00:04 AM »
Quote from: Spartacus on May 06, 2009, 06:03:25 AM
When I was at school , we had a teacher who when you were being a bit of a twit would stand you out alongside him in front of the class , grab your left buttock and detail to you that the most nerve endings anywhere , were on the buttocks , that is why caning them or squeezing them was so painful, Do you think I and most of the other boys in the class were abused?
We certainly did,nt think so at the time , we were too busy wincing in pain,, but now I come to think of it , were do I get my snout into the trough?

Time will tell, though I believe the only ones with snouts in the trough are the pigs who abuse children and think they have escaped justice. 
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