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Offline Deputy Dawg

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Utter TOSH in the JEP
« on: April 22, 2009, 03:51:53 PM »
I read tonights JEP and the article from Carolyn Labey, my first reaction was what a load of PR Spin, but let me disect it a little.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/04/22/syvret-raid-i-felt-violated/


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DEPUTY Carolyn Labey has attacked the States police for raiding her home during the arrest of Senator Stuart Syvret.

She says that it was unlawful and unnecessary. In a strongly worded statement, the Deputy said that she felt violated by the search and added that her elderly mother had found the raid more hostile than the Blitz.

The Deputy’s criticism comes just weeks after States police arrested Senator Syvret on suspicion of data protection offences and searched the house in Grouville which he shares with his partner, Deputy Labey (pictured). Senator Syvret was released later that day, pending further inquiries.

Deputy Labey, who was on holiday abroad with her children at the time of the raid, condemned the police action as over the top. She said: ‘I struggle to find words for the shock, upset and sense of violation felt by my family and myself at what has happened.’

The full report goes on to say that the elderley mother doesn't even live in the house and lives next door, but decided to nosey on round and see what was happening, but I digress from the disection.

points.
1) Carolyn Labey was not in Jersey but was on holiday outside of the Island with her children.
2) The elderley mother was not targeted by the police, but came round to the house from her house next door to see what was happening.
3) going through the Blitz was a life changing event for everyone that took part, speaking to 6 coppers is hardly worth the quote "and added that her elderly mother had found the raid more hostile than the Blitz"
4) I thought St Stuart was an ordinary Joe Bloggs who lived frugally in a flat, not in a house 99% of us couldn't even dream of purchasing and with a "partner" worth multiple millions

what we have here is a PR response from Ms Labey to try to make people feel sorry for St Stuart. Firstly linking in the blitz is a way to try to put over a picture of harsh and difficult times. It links the story and therefore the personal response to the story to something that people felt deeply about. This is page one of the "idiots guide to spin doctoring"

Linking in the old poor mother is page 2 of this guide as it links the two areas together, the blitz and the police searching a house and also adds the "frail poor needs protecting" person into the aspect of the story.

The other parts have been written using a good deal of "power words" from the spin doctor dictionary. One rhetorical device that relies on power words is anaphora-the repetition of a word or words at the beginning of successive phrases, clauses, or sentences. We see this throughout the JEP article, though not as much in the online edition which shows repeated use of the words "violation, Violated" as well as "Blitz".

I am sure as eggs are eggs that Ms Labey did not write this on her own. A great deal of thought has gone into how to to make this appeal to the easily led and those that do not understand how spin doctors work. It has been written explicitly to produce a feeling of support and revulsion at the actions described, and it has been done very very well. whoever wrote it should be producing their own spin doctor books.

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 06:27:34 PM »
I agree with most of what you say, although the house, it's value or the net worth of the Sen. his partner or anybody else has nothing to do with the issue, so why you mention them I don't know, surely not an attempt to 'spin' the story and make people side against the 'rich' which seems to be all to common a view point IMO.

What I would add is my dismay at the Dep. comments that (I can't quote her because I don't have a paper to hand) she didn't feel the crime, if proven, was that serious.

Surely as a member of the legislator she should know better than to suggest some of the laws she votes for aren't really worthwhile.

...or does she mean that the specific information illegal obtained and held by her partner Sen. Syvret isn't that controversial, so doesn't warrant the nature of the police response? of course if that is the case she must be aware of what they're looking for, which suggests it is or was there.  Would she be considered complicit if she knew the Sen. was breaking the law and did not report him for doing so?

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 12:09:53 AM »
I think DD is right to draw attention to the value of Deputy Labey's house, because it shows what a total hypocrite "SS the working class warrior" really is. He rants on about fellow States members with inherited wealth, and landed gentry farmers grown rich on subsidies, but he is not too proud to call someone else's inherited property paid for by generations of farming "his home". Neither is he too proud to share "his home" with the privately educated children of the Deputy's financier ex-husband, who no doubt pays the school fees. It will be interesting to see which household's income is taken into account when their University grants are calculated. The "single mother" on £45,000?

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 12:51:16 AM »
This is classic Labey. High handed, melodramatic, over reactionary - she's your typical  outraged from Tunbridge Wells. As one who lost two grandparents in the blitz I find it impossible to reconcile the experience of her elderly relative. And I happen to think the search was, given the offence, excessive and probably  unlawful. 

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 01:53:58 AM »
Sometimes it takes extra measures by someone who has the nerves stand up, if nobody did then people would get away with too much.

Don't get me wrong though if all he is doing is spreading disinformation, go ahead, pick him apart.
But if what he's discovering are real happenings then people need to start looking at the real issues.

But I think that nothing will ever happen and corruption will run rife like it always has?

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 02:46:40 AM »
I think it is only natural for Ms Labey to feel violated by the searching of her house by the police following the arrest of S.Syvret.
Anybody would feel that way.I also think she may have gone overboard with the prose but again in the circumstances I at least would allow her some leeway since she is undoubtedly in shock at the events which have taken place.
As far as Chris,s comments go , I agree that is it a "good thing" to have a politician or politicians who question the events in the house, do diligent research and make significant efforts on behalf of the people of Jersey to bring about some good for the general population.
Any idea where we could find someone like that instead of the hysterical ,doom mongers and anti-everything we currently have?
Those who would wish to destroy without having a clue as to what to put in its place?
If there has ever been corruption I have not seen anybody of significance arrested for it and I would doubt that in the modern age there would be a lot of scope to get away with it. I,m sure "cronyism" is a problem , I grow quite tired of seeing the same faces, ex-politicians and treasury mandarins appearing on every Board and quango the States control but quite honestly with few exceptions the number of people serving any real purpose on a board are few and far between in the States.That is the real problem we have , lack of talent, we have plenty of "mouthpieces " with the energy and the drive , but insufficient experience of anything at all  relevant to the running of a parliament. Perhaps we need a political education dept. to be set up at Highlands to provide educated politicians for the future?

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 02:58:02 AM »
I think it is only natural for Ms Labey to feel violated by the searching of her house by the police following the arrest of S.Syvret.

Maybe she should have thought of that before she harboured a criminal

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 03:39:18 AM »
Well if he hadn't intimidated the police on his blog with quotes like "you won't get me copper" and then illegally obtained police memos and published them then just perhaps her house would not have been turned over? 

Did it have to turn out the way it did though? So messy, so poorly managed.

Would this not have been the usual course of events?

Warcup (on the phone to SS) - "Stuart, you've confessed to breaking data protection law. Setting aside the bigger picture for a moment, its my job as a copper to enforce it. Would you mind coming down to the station to answer a few questions?"

Syvret - "No problem, its a Tuesday so I'm not up to much, I'll pop down after lunch".

Warcup - "Thanks, but don't come before 2.30pm as I've got lunch with the AG at the Capaninna".

Later that day in a police interview room.

Warcup - "Stuart do you admit to breaking the data protection law".

Syvret - "Errr.. yes... you know I do. I've already said so on my blog".

Warcup - "You are not obliged to say anything ...blah blah blah...... You will be held in custody pending further inquiries and a warrant will issued for the search of you / your partners property for evidence".

Later in the afternoon, two or three plain clothes policeman arrive in an unmarked car and conduct a discreet search and find the evidence (his computer and a copy of the leaked report) that they need to secure a conviction.

Syvret is then released, a court date is set. He pleads gulity. Gets £1,000 fine and slap on the wrist. His computer is returned to him. End of story.

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 03:49:38 AM »
Justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done.
If people break the law they must accept the consequences and those consequences are there to act as a deterrent to other people who may be considering following the same path.
There was a different scenario indeed
SS Mr Warcup , I am extremely concerned about matter that arose in the hospital in the early 1990s. Would you have a look at the file and advise me as to your opinion of the outcome?
address the same question to the bailliff , the AG and the States.
Do not just become judge , jury and executioner for your own self serving political interest

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 03:56:34 AM »
Did it have to turn out the way it did though? So messy, so poorly managed.

Would this not have been the usual course of events?

Warcup (on the phone to SS) - "Stuart, you've confessed to breaking data protection law. Setting aside the bigger picture for a moment, its my job as a copper to enforce it. Would you mind coming down to the station to answer a few questions?"

Syvret - "No problem, its a Tuesday so I'm not up to much, I'll pop down after lunch".

Warcup - "Thanks, but don't come before 2.30pm as I've got lunch with the AG at the Capaninna".

Later that day in a police interview room.

Warcup - "Stuart do you admit to breaking the data protection law".

Syvret - "Errr.. yes... you know I do. I've already said so on my blog".

Warcup - "You are not obliged to say anything ...blah blah blah...... You will be held in custody pending further inquiries and a warrant will issued for the search of you / your partners property for evidence".

Later in the afternoon, two or three plain clothes policeman arrive in an unmarked car and conduct a discreet search and find the evidence (his computer and a copy of the leaked report) that they need to secure a conviction.

Syvret is then released, a court date is set. He pleads gulity. Gets £1,000 fine and slap on the wrist. His computer is returned to him. End of story.


Syvret – “So Mr Warcup I have enough time to tidy up my computer so my sources of the leaks in breach of Police Confidentiality and Secrecy cannot be found?”

Warcup – “Of course not you are a very important person being a Member of the States of Jersey you are above the law and you can do whatsoever you want”

Syvret – “That’s fine but I will write about your incompetence and how this island is corrupt and some people who I call the oligarchy are above the law once I get it back”

Warcup – “That is your prerogative Sir”

Warcup – “Sir tell you what copy the data, post what you want us to see on a new one, send the sensitive files to your lawyer Phil Sinel, pass the old computer through an electromagnet trash the hard drive and processors afterwards, burn it at the incinerator and it will make our job even easier and make us look like bigger fools”

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 04:11:39 AM »
I'm trying to ascertain if the manner of his arrest would have been replicated if say you or I would have published sensitive information on this forum?

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 04:16:08 AM »
I'm trying to ascertain if the manner of his arrest would have been replicated if say you or I would have published sensitive information on this forum?

I think it would be worse for us Ole Razzy Ole Matey

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 04:28:41 AM »
So one rule for Syvret and another for us? The law is inconsistent? Have I got that right?

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 04:29:47 AM »
So one rule for Syvret and another for us? The law is inconsistent? Have I got that right?

Twas ever thus!

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Re: Utter TOSH in the JEP
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 04:43:10 AM »

so should be take it that he is seeking to undermine the hated oligarchy from within?