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GST on food to stay
« on: April 01, 2009, 12:28:22 PM »
http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=404782

What do people think?  Is this a surprise? Are the new people voted into the States useless?  Will anything ever get passed?  Will 19,000 people always be ignored?

I am not surprised but, I thought there may have been a chance of this being a success.........

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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2009, 12:34:14 PM »
GST was deliberately made, "Too difficult", to change once introduced.

Lets not forget, Jersey was not the first jurisdiction to introduce this tried and tested irreversable method of ,"Plucking the Goose".

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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2009, 12:43:05 PM »
I was once (mis) informed that doing business with SOJ is like trying to fight with an enormous damp sponge. The more you try to do, the longer it takes to take on different forms and the worse things become.
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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2009, 01:31:07 PM »
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I was once (mis) informed that doing business with SOJ is like trying to fight with an enormous damp sponge. The more you try to do, the longer it takes to take on different forms and the worse things become.

You missed something.  How long do you have to wait to get paid?  I know a rather silly company that put a lawyer on to them.  Didn't get him anywhere just another bill.
"Life gives to all the choice. You can satisfy yourself with mediocrity if you wish. You can be common, ordinary, dull, colorless, or you can channel your life so that it will be clean,vibrant, progressive, useful, colorful, rich". Spencer W. Kimball (Calimachon is not a Mormon nor is she in any shape or form religious but she thinks this applies to all humans and more so to a Humanist!  :)

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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 01:09:36 AM »
If you want to get paid by the States departments, make sure your own paperchain works properly. - Never fails.
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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 01:47:47 AM »
To pick away at GST is fairly pointless. All that achieves is an acceptance that the tax is fine it is just the detail we are concerned about.
We have GST because our then Chancellor introduced a remarkably stupid tax system called 0 - 10 , and to add insult to injury, 20 means 20.This resulted in a loss of £100,million in revenue. Yes it goes back to the UK, sheer genius.
Why was this done? to placate the OECD and the British Govt. Not exactly a startling success then!
In due course , when the powers that be decide to have another pop at us , perhaps we will revert to our basic system once again.After all , we might as well be hung as sheep as lambs!

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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 02:34:30 AM »
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[If you want to get paid by the States departments, make sure your own paperchain works properly. - Never fails./quote]

I can assure you the paper chain in question was in apple pie order.

The person on the other side, making the payment, also made sure that the payment process was in place quickly but 'Hey Ho' once it reached the big hole where all payments are processed it took months to get paid.

Little businesses GO TO THE WALL because they don't get paid on time.  What happens to efficiency in that Big Hole!  All they have to do is pay.  The votes are all allocated, the payment has been signed off as kosher by the big man/woman of the department concerned.  What is the hold up!  Oh don't tell me it is the computers system.  Maybe something to do with batching payments really!

"Life gives to all the choice. You can satisfy yourself with mediocrity if you wish. You can be common, ordinary, dull, colorless, or you can channel your life so that it will be clean,vibrant, progressive, useful, colorful, rich". Spencer W. Kimball (Calimachon is not a Mormon nor is she in any shape or form religious but she thinks this applies to all humans and more so to a Humanist!  :)

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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 03:12:31 AM »
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[If you want to get paid by the States departments, make sure your own paperchain works properly. - Never fails./quote]

I can assure you the paper chain in question was in apple pie order.

The person on the other side, making the payment, also made sure that the payment process was in place quickly but 'Hey Ho' once it reached the big hole where all payments are processed it took months to get paid.

Little businesses GO TO THE WALL because they don't get paid on time.  What happens to efficiency in that Big Hole!  All they have to do is pay.  The votes are all allocated, the payment has been signed off as kosher by the big man/woman of the department concerned.  What is the hold up!  Oh don't tell me it is the computers system.  Maybe something to do with batching payments really!



Maybe so, but when making arrangements with SOJ which mean that they will owe you money, it pays to find out from the purchasing authority exactly who is responsible all the way down the line for payment until you recieve it. This is done at the negotiation stage, I have done it, it is simple due diligence. If the answers are not forthcoming, then don't do the business to start with and let them know why. The alternative is to boot doors off hinges all the way until you get satisfaction.
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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 07:44:25 AM »
Is this happening because States Treasury want to hang on to the money as long as possible?  Is this long process of payment due to that kind of setup?  Don't you think we should insist that a public authority pays its debts in a timely manner, in general, as a matter of course, as a shining example to its people?  I was brought up to pay my debts on time.  Isn't this one area where the States could actually prove themselves as a caring Government that does not resort to these pretty, in my opinion, underhand, measures to keep the money in the Treasury pockets longer to gain the most interest.

You are happy and able to sort the matter out by your own due diligence  but others are not in a position to do this unless they are in the know, or, know someone who can. 

A small Sole Trader, for example, is not able to fight a big corporation or public body, they have no amunition.  They would be shot down by the first officious employee at the reception desk.  Having said that I do know of departments that have extremely polite and well  mannered people operating their reception areas.
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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 08:49:53 AM »
Not wishing to be mean to Calimachon or any of the other posters , this thread is about GST , if you wish to discuss the SOJ and their inability to pay bills on time , please start another thread.

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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 09:02:33 AM »


You are happy and able to sort the matter out by your own due diligence  but others are not in a position to do this unless they are in the know, or, know someone who can. 



Absolute cobblers. I worked on the fishing boats, I just don't suffer fools gladly. If someone else wants to, maybe they ought to think twice about venturing into the cut and thrust.
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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 09:48:59 AM »
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Not wishing to be mean to Calimachon or any of the other posters , this thread is about GST , if you wish to discuss the SOJ and their inability to pay bills on time , please start another thread.

I apologise of course you are quite right.  I should have started a new thread for this.  Sorry it just came about during conversation.  :)

"Life gives to all the choice. You can satisfy yourself with mediocrity if you wish. You can be common, ordinary, dull, colorless, or you can channel your life so that it will be clean,vibrant, progressive, useful, colorful, rich". Spencer W. Kimball (Calimachon is not a Mormon nor is she in any shape or form religious but she thinks this applies to all humans and more so to a Humanist!  :)

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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2009, 08:50:08 AM »
Welcome to the reality show, this is what has taken place ever since Harold Wilson got out of his chauffer driven Rover 100, jumped into a morris minor complete with pipe, flat hat (a la Southern) and grubby mac (a la Pitman) to woo the masses with new promises at "political" rallies. Whover coined the word "politics" originally by rote must have been responsible for the way it is conducted.
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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2009, 09:40:11 AM »
...What do people think?  Is this a surprise? Are the new people voted into the States useless?  Will anything ever get passed?  Will 19,000 people always be ignored? ...
It wasn't much of a surprise, and I thought this was the right decision.

I'm really getting tired of people banging on about the 19,000 name petition.  What does that mean? you asked half the population, and less then half of those that you asked agreed? What about the 21,000 the disagreed?

There was a couple of petitions I was asked to sign in town over the last few months:  One about Ann Court and one about Woolworth staff; both had lots of people signing them, but when I was asked to sign them I was told lies to encourage me to sign my name; how many people got duped into signing?

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Re: GST on food to stay
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2009, 12:04:25 PM »
Obviously not a JTM or a burblingbeee
if this is you again I raise my hand to vote for  ban for life.