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Offline en830

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Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« on: April 01, 2009, 10:48:43 AM »
Has anyone else here fallen fowl of all the red tape that has to be cut and hoops that have to be jumped through just to get a business up and running in Jersey ?

I don't want to go into too much detail but so far we have had to deal with :-

1) Business Enterprise board
2) JFSC
3) Regulation of Undertaking
4) Data Protection
5) Property Holding
6) TTS
7) Planning and Environment
8) St Brelade Parish Hall; and
9) St Helier Town Hall

And still we have got no further than we were 4 months ago.
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2009, 10:50:36 AM »
I listed at least 13 hoops last year on this subject - just closed down my business after 20 years Hurrah!! (good luck - you'll need it!)
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2009, 11:55:34 AM »
The fact that you are attempting to set up a Real PRODUCTIVE Business keeps loads of folk in work, mainly those employed to set up and adapt the obstacle course.
If you keep trying, the obstacle course managers may have to take on more staff.
Take heart, even if your business never gets off the ground, you will still have done your bit to reduce unemployment in Jersey.
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2009, 12:40:19 PM »
Don't forget, when they finally give you the go ahead having decided thatthere is no room for them to pinch your idea (yes this has happened to me) they will charge you GST, social, Income tax and wont give a tinkers cuss when the market swings out of favour. Remember they are taking pensions home which are garanteed - unlike yours.
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2009, 02:45:33 PM »
It took one party 3 months to reply, and that was only after two letters and several phone calls, only to for us to be told that it wasn't their responsibility. Another didn't know which forms we should complete and they would call us back, that was 6 weeks ago. Through an intermediary we emailed someone else in the same department and they have only just replied on the back of an email from me saying that I assumed that their input was not required, that got a reaction. Another department didn't know their own laws, if we hadn't told them the correct legislation we could have been fined.

We started out with our plan last October, we were aiming to be up an running by Easter. Because of the inefficiencies of the various states departments, we will not meet our aim and therefore the potential to realise a sizeable revenue will be lost. The trouble is who can we take to task, I have a feeling that because of my email to this certain department this week, they will find ways of putting barriers in our way.
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 01:04:31 AM »
This is possible, I once had a department who I proved were wrong on an issue and for the last twelve years have cost me most of my business by being super-difficult.

I think the time has come for a body to flag up departments who operate like this and bring these issues into the open. This would aid self-governence.

Take your issues to Jersey Business venture without drawing another breath on the matter. - My advice for what it is worth.
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 04:15:12 AM »
Well im closing down one of my businesses because a States Dept
went privatised and are now directly trading against me, by offering trade prices
to my retail customers and have misinformed my landlords about
one of my premisis causing me to loose £25,000 in machinery
as they made me move out within 1 week because the dept wanted use
of the premises,so everything went to bellozane dump.

I have served the public for 30 years in my trade
time to move on you cant fight the establishment
so I will charge SOJ double normal price for anything
associated with them via other work i do now
to get my own satisfaction :-)

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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 07:50:47 AM »
Sorry to hear of your experience !Caveman.  I hope other things work out for you.  I don't blame you for increasing your charges in the future if you feel you have had rough justice.
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 08:35:18 AM »
thanks calimachon,
theres always a way to get even discreetly
my turn now :-)
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 10:32:41 AM »
I sincerely hope Sarah Ferguson is reading this thread and more so that she is doing something about it
It is scandalous and it is perhaps worth swearing a bit for in the States. ( You can get away with it ! )
Ozouf should get of his backside and MAKE all departments pay their bills promptly
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 12:11:43 PM »
Rather than do things,"Properly", when setting up in business, you are better off just to commence trading and act dumb.
 As each govt. department approaches you with their rules etc, they will provide you with forms to fill out etc whilst still allowing you to continue trading.

Just keep going, and keep filling in the forms as they are presented to you.

The only people stopped in their tracks are those who try to do everything properly.

"No need for accountants or lawyers, the government provides a free service for anyone willing to fill in a form." ("Duncan Bannatyne").
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 01:10:19 PM »
Quote from: Fritz on April 02, 2009, 12:11:43 PM
Rather than do things,"Properly", when setting up in business, you are better off just to commence trading and act dumb.
 As each govt. department approaches you with their rules etc, they will provide you with forms to fill out etc whilst still allowing you to continue trading.
Just keep going, and keep filling in the forms as they are presented to you.
The only people stopped in their tracks are those who try to do everything properly.
"No need for accountants or lawyers, the government provides a free service for anyone willing to fill in a form." ("Duncan Bannatyne").

Excellent advice Fritz : Remember the slogan : JUST DO IT !
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 01:17:36 PM »
Quote from: en830 on April 01, 2009, 10:48:43 AM
Has anyone else here fallen fowl of all the red tape that has to be cut and hoops that have to be jumped through just to get a business up and running in Jersey ?

I don't want to go into too much detail but so far we have had to deal with :-

1) Business Enterprise board
2) JFSC
3) Regulation of Undertaking
4) Data Protection
5) Property Holding
6) TTS
7) Planning and Environment
8) St Brelade Parish Hall; and
9) St Helier Town Hall

And still we have got no further than we were 4 months ago.


Jut realised - a fallen fowl is a dead chicken!
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Offline en830

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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2009, 04:14:04 PM »
Freudian slip, sorry  ;)
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Re: Starting up a new venture and the red tape
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 04:44:45 PM »
My current crop of complaints are mainly GST related - not the amount of GST but the fact that certain States Departments are refusing to pay GST.

If anyone is having problems with late payments - please email me directly and I will put an extra brick in my handbag and go into battle.
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