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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2009, 06:53:03 PM »
I agree they run nothing. :)

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2009, 08:09:02 PM »
"Well err yer, they have only broken the law, its pretty normal stuff and that, so once its done just let em carry on with the job of running the Island".

Is this what people are saying? 

People break many laws all the time, get caught, and penalised for it, and that's the end of it.

For example, if you were caught driving with defective tyres, you may be fined for it.  But, you would not be banned from driving.

These 2 have not been vote fixing or committing fraud, so seems OTT to kick them out.

Essentially, they have just encouraged people to vote.

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2009, 08:24:43 PM »
These 2 have not been vote fixing or committing fraud, so seems OTT to kick them out.

Essentially, they have just encouraged people to vote.

I think the argument then comes in about a level playing field and the other candidates in Number 2 who did not go down this route because they obeyed the law. 

The fact is that two JDA members are in the Royal Court in April, not establishment people but JDA people.

This is why I say in one years time the party will be a memory.
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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2009, 05:23:22 AM »
Can you be certain no other candidates have done the same?

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2009, 05:56:31 AM »
Can you be certain no other candidates have done the same?

innocent until proven guilty?

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2009, 06:45:46 AM »
It is not like driving with defective tyres unless when you were stopped by the police you were to say that you knew that they were defective and you will drive with defective tyres again because you think it is better than obeying the law which is telling you to drive with normal tyres. In no way can their actions be defended. BY commiting a riem and saying they are setting an example does that mean that I can not wear a seat belt becasue i dont want to? No so why do they think they are above the law?
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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2009, 08:31:26 AM »
They were very silly to do this but all that was necessary was a rap over the knuckles and a fine of some sort. The fact that this has gone to the Royal Court shows that "someone" wants to make a big meal of it and if it was anyone other than anti-establishment States members it would never have got this far. TLM blatantly broke the Planning law and all he got was a slight ticking off in the House and that to my mind was a far more serious offence but as he is pro-establishment he got away with it. This is not about justice any longer, it's about "making an example" of people who dare to oppose the old boys club. As for a re-vote - Geoff didn't win by 22 votes and Shona certainly didn't win by 2 -  and would these postal voters have voted for any other candiates anyway? Probably not. All a big waste of time and taxpayers money.

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2009, 10:00:23 AM »
No Nellie , they were not very silly, they were extremely devious, cunning and manipulative.That is the problem. Had they just been silly , they would have done it in St Mary and said "Look at us we are breaking the Law, but stand to gain nothing for doing so, come and get us!" did they do that ?no . After the election did they fess up to their conduct?no.Did they advise the world they were going to do it in a Parish where they won three seats? no. Not quite so silly then eh?

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2009, 10:28:05 AM »
The silliest thing was that they didn't need these votes to win - all very sad really. Sadder still that my hard earned tax payments are going to be wasted on a useless court trial - the only winners will be the lawyers.

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2009, 10:41:01 AM »
There will not be a "trial" as they are pleading guilty. Anyway, a significant amount of your household income is being provided by the tax payers of the Island so you shouldn't feel too bad about putting some of it back into the system.

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2009, 12:19:53 PM »
They were very silly to do this but all that was necessary was a rap over the knuckles and a fine of some sort. The fact that this has gone to the Royal Court shows that "someone" wants to make a big meal of it and if it was anyone other than anti-establishment States members it would never have got this far.

Do you think the other candidates in St Helier number 2 would say "oh its just a silly thing to do so let them off".  I am surprised you are defending them for this act or deliberate law breaking.  Besides what has the JDA frontman done for your Son apart from make him look like your mouth piece?

I could imagine that if an "establishment person" was being charged the outcry would be just as loud.

I think there should be a re-election in number 2.

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2009, 12:46:29 PM »
It wasn't Geoff who embarrassed Jeremy and I - it was the Establishment's pet media man that I put in his place when he attempted to bully me at the hustings - they were just looking for an opportunity to get their own back - well, that's the way it goes and people should realise that if the establishment is out to get you then you must be doing something right - otherwise why would they be trying to shut us up?

Anyway, I haven't fallen out with Geoff and he didn't make Jeremy look silly - it was the media using their bullying tactics - even name calling on air - how was that allowed? Totally unprofessional conduct from CTV - that would never have happened if Michael Lucas had been in charge. I think Geoff does some valuable work for the Island even though I don't always agree with everything he says or does but at least he ensures the establishment isn't allowed to get away with everything uncontested.

I'm not saying that what Geoff and Shona did was right, after all they did break the law, I just think it's being totally blown out of proportion and I doubt if the matter would have even warranted investigation if the JDA weren't involved - it certainly is a case of a witch hunt here. A fine in the magistrate's court would have been perfectly adequate. What I think is the greater crime is the fact that this amendment to the law was allowed in the first place and none of you appear to care two hoots about that - I would have thought you'd have been up in arms over civil liberties and the total contradictions inherent in adopting these changes to the law - it's just so stupid and lacking in commonsense that it beggers belief.

As for the other candidates in district no 2 - what difference does this make to them? There's no reason to presume these voters would have voted for them. If Geoff had only got in by a margin of 22 then you might have a point but that was hardly the case and Shona certainly won by more than 2 votes.

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2009, 12:58:24 PM »
The JDA are a victim of a witch hunt?  I think you need to look at the facts Nellie, they broke the law, they admitted to breaking the law and they even said they had a human right to break the law and would do it again.  That’s not a witch hunt, thats signing your own death warrant.

When you also talk about the other candidates I think they are the ones who should decide as to whether there should be another election or not.

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2009, 01:08:06 PM »
Hey extreme

Did pomme get his apology from you

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Re: Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law
« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2009, 01:32:50 PM »
Blimey Nellie, the same democracy that got Jezza elected passed this Law to protect us, the poor old voter, from any attempt or perception of an attempt to manipulate the ballot.  You may not like the democracy we have, but that's another argument, but I'm sorry you can't pick and choose what bits of what laws you do and don't like.  If you can  muster enough votes to get it changed, good for you, and I will whinge about it but accept the will of our States.  That's the trouble with democracy, it can quite often be inconvenient if it doesn't chime with your point of view.  The JDA2 have, I suspect, scuppered any chance you and yours might have had of overturning the article now in any event.

As to whether they'd have got back in, we'll never know (it's a secret ballot) and perhaps some voters, had they realised that these candidates were prepared to flout the election law, might have thought them not worthy of their vote.  As for the waste of time prosecuting them, well when a complaint is made the police  have a duty to investigate and if there is evidence and a reasonable prospect of conviction I suppose the authorities are required to prosecute.  They have coughed to it in the Magistrates Court and the level of fines exceeds his powers so he had no choice but to send it up to the RC for sentence.

I'm sure you think it's all beastly and unfair but not for nothing have they been dubbed "the Great Granny Farmers" (by someone with more imagination than me and to who I am indebted for such a witty quote)!