Is Geoff Southern being shafted or throwing toys?

[fryertucker]

I am fed up of hearing people that have kids over here and then complain that they cannot afford to live.  They then run to Social Security and expect handouts from our money.  I am not saying people should not have children at all, I am saying familes should be planned when people can actually afford to have them.

I have heard stories of people having kids just to get into States housing, now that is just taking the proverbial, and a lot of them end up being single parents.

That is my opinion, I am sorry if people on here cannot handle a different view of things.

[fryertucker]

Absolutely, and he has every right to be upset about that ! Because it clearly shows the discrepancy between what the electorate say and how those that are supposed to represent the electorate vote within the states.

Where do you get the presumptions from?  How can Geoff Southern be representative of the Jersey people from the number of votes he got in St Helier Number 2?

I do not know anybody that says he is a voice of the people.  A representative of the TGWU maybe, but not much more than that.

[moot]

I am fed up of hearing people that have kids over here and then complain that they cannot afford to live.  They then run to Social Security and expect handouts from our money.  I am not saying people should not have children at all, I am saying familes should be planned when people can actually afford to have them.
I have heard stories of people having kids just to get into States housing, now that is just taking the proverbial, and a lot of them end up being single parents.
That is my opinion, I am sorry if people on here cannot handle a different view of things.

Don't tarr everyone with the same brush ! Your view seem to be rather narrow

[fryertucker]

I do not mean to if it is sounding that way, but 'some' people are stupid to start having families when they can barely stay above water themselves.  If Jersey is too expensive for them then they are probably better off somewhere else.

I just get sick as a tax payer having to subsidise people that only have themselves to blame.

[moot]

I do not mean to if it is sounding that way, but 'some' people are stupid to start having families when they can barely stay above water themselves.  If Jersey is too expensive for them then they are probably better off somewhere else.
I just get sick as a tax payer having to subsidise people that only have themselves to blame.

I suggest you use your words more carefully in future

[fryertucker]

Why?  I am a tax payer, and I get NOTHING back from the State.  If people are running to the State to use my money then I will comment about it as I so wish.

You get one side saying "we want more" and the other side saying "we do not want to pay anymore".

Ask yourself this, why should I pay more tax to subsidise people that expect the State to give them a living?

[moot]

Why?  I am a tax payer, and I get NOTHING back from the State.  If people are running to the State to use my money then I will comment about it as I so wish.
You get one side saying "we want more" and the other side saying "we do not want to pay anymore".
Ask yourself this, why should I pay more tax to subsidise people that expect the State to give them a living?

You seem to have a lot of anger

[fryertucker]

Everybodies ITIS is going up, we all pay GST and it sounds like SC may rise at anytime.  Yes i am fed up, but I get even more fed up when I hear people wanting to sponge more from the system and thats because it is MY frigging money.

[fryertucker]

Anybody that pays in but takes nothing out. 

[en830]

Everybodies ITIS is going up,

Mine hasn't JTM

[lara.luke]

Everybodies ITIS is going up, we all pay GST and it sounds like SC may rise at anytime.  Yes i am fed up, but I get even more fed up when I hear people wanting to sponge more from the system and thats because it is MY frigging money.

Actually the tax you pay supports the Government, they then decide to distribute it as they so wish. I also think you will find you are supporting alot more of those who are exempt from these taxes than you think.

[boatyboy]

As I see it, the idea of the welfare system was to...... correctly help people like Lieve, who have just hit a bad time.


What has actually happenend in the real world, is that the system has become so distorted, that single mums feel its there right to have kids with different fathers be given a flat and a subsidised lifestyle paid for by everyone else. Its not only single Mums but other groups of skivers.

Yep moneys getting short, and people that really need help like pensioners, and Lieve that have put in to the pot all their lives are left on the side lines.
Most of us working pay more than enough tax, to help the system.

Having kids is natural and wonderfull, but times are changing when it comes to financing them.

BB

[fryertucker]

I think Jersey is ahead of the UK when it comes to a means tested system, but it still need to be tightened.

Some people in Jersey seem to think the State is there to always bail them out at difficult times, but this is MY bleeding money.

I just get sick of hearing people complain about being skint when they were the ones that have never saved any money and then decide to have a family.

If Geoff Southern was running the treasury, we would be using the strategic reserve for the Xmas bonus now.

There are exceptions, people may be handicapped or have problems (through no fault of their own) that have put them into a financial mess and to top it all they cannot get work.  I have no qualms about that, that is what the welfare system is there for. 

It is the p**s takers I am fed up of hearng about and it is surprising how many of these people support the JDA.

[boatyboy]

A single mother getting a bit extra, would not be a problem, the reality is though Tetras, if you wish to look up some facts that Britain has the highest teenage pregnancy problem in europe. Not all of course but many young ladies have kids as cash cows.

Regarding your comment, can you blame them when the system allows this, actually the spotlight falls on the parents, they abuse the system, so they are to blame for bringing up scroungers, and kids that don't want to work, but are happy to enjoy the perks that other peoples taxes have paid for. This has been going on for so long that, its now into second or third generation, of underclass.

The saddest thing of all is that, these people are unlikely to rise to there full potential. No wonder some kids are labelled as Feral by the judges, when there is  so little reponcibilty taken by parent, boyfriend, uncle or who ever happens to be knocking around at the time. Sharron Mathews, the kidnapp mothers lifestyle is thought of as normal in some areas. How bloody sad !

I was brought up much of the time after marriage break up, at the age of three, without a father but a strong disiplined, mother who worked and demanded respect for all adults, from her sons. Character building and sometimes painfull for sure !

BB

[boatyboy]

You really do need to be more precise in your facts, there are so many wide statements, why do the rich pay little or no taxes? sorry ?

You haven't defined rich, and you certainly have no proof  that the middle rich or very rich pay little tax,( except maybe a few of TLS friends ) where do you think the benefit money comes from trees ?

BB