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Re: Jersey's way of fighting the recession.
« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2009, 03:08:07 PM »
I once checked-in at Stansted airport, totally deserted (due to having only just opened), except for myself and one scruffy looking guy in a dandruff riddled suit - Gordon Brown Shadow Chancellor as he was then, soon to be Chancellor.

He gave me a right look when I said to the Check-in lady that I was travelling to Jersey, he might as well have spat on the floor at my feet.

So, I kind of knew this day was coming.  But, does he really have the power to carry through with his threats?  I would doubt it.

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« Reply #61 on: March 24, 2009, 03:23:56 PM »
BB/Danrok - interesting posts.  I saw the BBC piece, C4 News had a longer section on Crash Gordon's speech to the EU parliament - it was 75% empty and, if John Snow is to be believed ( I have quite a lot of time for him actually) consisted mainly of sucking up to the French & Germans.  Seems he wants even more spending (and thus long term debt) and the EU (espec. Fr & GR) have effectively said enough and try and start living within your means (he could maybe learn a thing or two from us!).  So the tax haven jibe was part of a longer effort and possibly an attempt to curry favour with the EU parliament (apparently rather more rabid anti-tax dodgers than the leadership of the individual countries).

I agree it is quite depressing but perhaps comfort ourselves that he'll be out of a job by no later than July next year?  If you have a hatch, prepare to batten it down for the rest of this year.

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Re: Jersey's way of fighting the recession.
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2009, 09:05:18 AM »
Having read the dismal news on England's economic borrowing in the Times this Sunday and other broad sheets. The true cost to the population of wards closing, medical staff reduction, staff reductions across the private sector. Public sector workers having to re apply for there jobs on less wages or being made redundent. No I am not joking.

It focuses the mind more clearly on the economic future at home here on Jersey.

There are many that are worried in the economic world. However if there was ever a time that Jersey needed a strong Government with a radical shift in thinking it is now or we get the hell that could be Jersey tomorrow.

The signs are not good, based on the entrenched long time States members, ( establishment ) versus the newbies ( upstarts ) verses common sense with a big dose  of poor if not ridiculous inaccurate information spin offered to some in Government let alone the people of Jersey.

We could draw on countless examples of waste; inefficiency overspends and clear  mismanagement of the public purse by the States. It will not offer anything new, the moneys gone what to do now?

The truth in my opinion it’s a culture based on spend, spend and keep spending that is most dangerous to Jerseys financial well being for the future. It always was going to end a some stage. We have arrived.

Read scrutiny reports and it becomes clear very quickly, that due to successive failings in financial management of Government departments they are not even sure where all the money is going.

We are where we are, Jerseys tax revenue stream has been decimated by incompetent bankers, weak regulators, low interest rates, less profitable businesses, partly due to less tourists etc etc etc.

Minister Phillip Ozouf is going to need big help by those in the assembly to be successful. No man is an island, excuse the pun.

The economics minister is either going to have to tax us all to death ( leading to Jerseys gentle slip into poverty ) or make deep cuts that nobody wants. The first is not really an option; not enough people work in relation to the enormous inflated amount it costs to run this island. So a new incinerator has to be paid for, but the infrastructure is built, and the schools, hospitals, transport system are in place.

What is not clear, but should be in these dangerous economic times is nice but not needed is no longer viable.

The  airport is a good example, Jersey is proud that we have a new tower which is taller and super duper ( says Senator Paul Routier ). Similar sized airports that work to CAA certification are graded on their size and traffic and do not suffer the same regulations imposed on  large airports like Heathrow. Guess what thats why they have smaller towers and buildings. Jersey has to have a new £6 Million pound tower, £650,000 fence and £4 million pound hall, to make Jersey proud. Grow up. This is just a folly that again, works against the financial interests of Jersey. serving mainly outside interests.

The new departure hall is mostly run by English companies, which will obviously take business away from local retailers, (again) while not contributing to Jerseys falling tax take ( the new off island company tax laws ) not even GST. The culture of spend spend in a dropping tourism market. Need I say more.

Minister Philip Ozouf has seen the writing on the wall. he has little choice but to cut. Is he going to be remembered in history as the visionary and statesman who brought proper accounting and proper accountability to the stabilisation of  Jerseys economic future ? Or just another waste of space ?

Could it be that the spend, spend culture that needs to be addressed ( sorry make that attacked ) is beyond the view or intellect of many of the elected, that make up our Government, having never been responsible for running a business or balance sheet ? Several want to play the game of attracting votes through populist shouting and short term bad policy.

The CoM have been accused of withholding information and / or making it difficult to access for other States members to appreciate the situation.

If the economics minister decides to use his diplomacy he will make a few phones calls to leading opposition members. Tell them to put the kettle on and lay out exactly the truth of how bad being in the red is going to affect a small rock of 48 square miles with little to offer as collateral to borrow millions. Then comes the sticky problem of increasing profitability to service the borrowing.

If we sink at least he can say he did his best,as long as he trys to get all States members on board, the gift of a true statesmen. Without support from all sectors of the house with pet projects he, (we) will be in trouble with amendments coming thick and fast to spend more money, underpinned by a public sector who care only about more money being deposited, for their mini empires to spend.

Some home truths that you may wish to read from Kevin Keen, his figures conflict with those from the chief ministers communications department.

Quotes are selective please read full article, links below.

But his views cannot be dismissed so lightly. Indeed, they are now endorsed in principle by the man responsible for putting the choke-chain on excessive spending, Treasury Minister Philip Ozouf.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/09/02/gst-and-states-spending/

In the latest edition of the Chamber of Commerce newsletter, Mr Keen writes that Islanders and States Members should get behind Treasury Minister Philip Ozouf’s efforts to squeeze public-sector spending.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/09/01/states-spending-could-double-gst-warns-chamber/

• States net revenue expenditure has increased by 88% or £244m per year in the last decade. That is pretty much double the rate of inflation.

• That expenditure has far exceeded the level projected in the Council of Minister’s own Strategic Plan for 2006-11. In 2008 it was £30 million higher and in 2010 the overspend will be £65 million!

• In spite of a pay freeze, a lot of ‘shroud waving’ and a projected drop in States income of £94 million. Net revenue expenditure will actually grow by £26 million or 4.6% next year.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/08/27/cutting-costs-is-a-must/

Election Statements / promises.


Senator Philip Ozouf

The key is value. When I was vice-president of Finance and Economics in 2002-5 we reduced spending. The Comptroller and Auditor General has reported that further savings are possible. Some of these are going to be challenging to achieve without affecting essential services. I have proved that savings can be made at Economic Development and believe that a similar strategy can work in other departments. In addition, the States work out of numerous sites, and consolidating these would increase efficiency and reduce cost. I am tough but realistic and fair on spending and I have shown I focus on delivering best value.

Deputy Sarah Ferguson

Improve financial management and control. Implement the provisions of the Spending Review, which has estimated that at l east £30 million of savings and efficiencies are possible. The Public Accounts Committee is already on the case. I want it to have a louder voice when discussing States spending. An all-Island mandate will give me that voice.

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Re: Jersey's way of fighting the recession.
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2009, 11:48:16 AM »
These clowns talk about millions as if it were pennies.

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« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2009, 01:29:35 PM »
  kevin keen knows what he is talking about, and was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
we could list savings and a plan of the way foreword and i belive that the powers that be would take no notice of us whatsoever.

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« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2009, 02:28:57 PM »
We the people have to understand that the States of Jersey have to tighten their belts regarding our money.  The information just has to be fairly and squarely laid on the table.  The actual facts please, no airy fairy schemes and spin.  Plain facts are what we need!

Any accountant/financier who knows anything at all will agree that you have to spend money in order to make it but you spend on the essentials first if there is a shortage.  Bare essentials nothing more and let the rest take care of itself.  We will have to rely heavily on charitable donations like they used to do in the past.  Benefacteurs galore shown on the boards of the General Hospital for example.  We are taking a few retrograde steps I know but these are hard times and they will more than likely become even harder in the future so no pussy footing about tell it as it is.

Even if there are a few green shoots of recovery it will be no sin to set aside money still to help later.  There are lots of things the population can do to help themselves.  We sure do not need or want a nanny State.  Has this once great island forgotten how to manage itself in hard times? 

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Re: Jersey's way of fighting the recession.
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2009, 06:09:30 PM »
Not sure that the new ATC tower was a waste of money.

I can't remember the exact details, which were printed in the local press, but many of the air traffic control staff will be made redundant.  The new tower allows the job to be done with far fewer staff.  So, it should pay for itself in the long run.

Also, the old arrivals hall is next up for refurbishment, and I think its going to be demolished - along with the old tower.

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Re: Jersey's way of fighting the recession.
« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2009, 03:37:21 AM »
When cloud lies low they will see less of the runways etc from the new tower than could be seen from the old one.

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« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2009, 12:48:13 PM »
Nice to watch them try though.

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« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2009, 07:58:09 AM »
Not an accountant but normally adequately reasonable with a balance sheet. I am completely baffled by this report and need help ( not unusual) My notes in red.

JEP.

THIS week the Council of Ministers is presenting its business plan to the States in the anticipation of building a solid framework for next year’s round of public spending.

Sounds fine a solid framework.

All told, ministers are urging the House to sanction expenditure of £754 million. In spite of departments facing a call for spending cuts of marginally less than one per cent, a significant increase in spending is being proposed.

So each department will have a budget for capital expenditure and general revenue i.e. wages maintenance , so far so good,  then they have to save 1% ok dokey but a significant increase in spending is being proposed ???  What ?

The precise size of the increase is, however, difficult to calculate. Depending on what is included and what is excluded, it amounts to between five and just under eight per cent.

Depending on what is included and what is excluded, either you need something or you don't. It costs if purchased, left on the shelf the cost is zero. Pardon again I am confused. This is getting stranger !

As Members consider the plan – and the 15 amendments which have been lodged – they should be aware that it is essential to settle on a programme that meets the challenge of these testing times. In particular, each of them must remember that the Island faces a series of potential deficits in the £50 to £70 million range in the next three years.
 
I get it, a solid framework is actually a £50 million pound deficit for next year, so whats a collapsing framework called ?

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/09/21/dealing-with-the-deficits/

Also help for those like me that have trouble with the above.
 
http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/08/27/cutting-costs-is-a-must/

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« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2009, 02:48:31 PM »
We should not be suprised by Senators Ozoufs gut renching sad man budget, which again attacks the low and middle earners and fuels inflation.

His first attempt, a financial attack on the vunerable hospital patients transport services and a community centre. How did a politician fall so far off the sensible road. Lets not be completely suprised at his second attempt after probably listening to his wealthy friends and suited well paid advisors in Government. Rather than cut costs, lets hit the low and middle earners ( leaving our juicy wage packets alone) but this time we will be really clever, the majority of islanders will never notice.

I cannot speak for everyone but from what I am reading you have just continued the culture of looking after the wealthy, this has been clearly noticed.

I am aware that not all sitting around the table of the council of ministers support you ( or in the assembly the sensible States members ) with the exception of Senator Cohen Constable Mike Jackson........................ loads of new taxes on the way (dressed up as  green taxes) so they can hardly complain.

What is the colour of the sky on the planet that you inhabit Phillip.

Whats really going on ?

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Senator Philip Ozouf

The key is value. When I was vice-president of Finance and Economics in 2002-5 we reduced spending. The Comptroller and Auditor General has reported that further savings are possible. Some of these are going to be challenging to achieve without affecting essential services. I have proved that savings can be made at Economic Development and believe that a similar strategy can work in other departments. In addition, the States work out of numerous sites, and consolidating these would increase efficiency and reduce cost. I am tough but realistic and fair on spending and I have shown I focus on delivering best value.





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« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2009, 04:15:40 PM »
Here's a funny one. Ozouf turned up at drug and alchohol this week - fact finding mission - you know the score. His opening gambit was to ask the collected gathering if they knew the "direction of his political compass". Nobody flinched. They knew the deal. He then went on to proclaim he was a......get this....."a fluffy liberal". Man I had to laugh. I went to school with that guy. He's as liberal as neville chamberlin. Capiche?

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« Reply #72 on: October 29, 2009, 04:20:59 PM »
It would be interesting to get Ozouf on camera to answer some off the cuff questions, spontaneously.

When ever he's on the box, he always appears to be reading out his own rehearsed press-release, in a manner taught to him by some kind of public speaking coach.  It's cringe worthy, to say the least.

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« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2009, 04:43:37 PM »
It would be interesting to get Ozouf on camera to answer some off the cuff questions, spontaneously.

When ever he's on the box, he always appears to be reading out his own rehearsed press-release, in a manner taught to him by some kind of public speaking coach.  It's cringe worthy, to say the least.

I disagree in that as much as I dislike most of what he says, he is probably one the better if not the best speaker in the States, I stand to be corrected.

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« Reply #74 on: October 29, 2009, 04:58:28 PM »
I agree with you dundee he speaks well, but what comes out is a different matter..
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