Author Topic: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.  (Read 5304 times)

Offline Stuart Syvret

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3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« on: October 11, 2008, 09:03:52 AM »
Sarah

Your campaign in these elections is predicated on the concept that you are a champion of “accountability”. You would have the public believe that you are committed to battling to make the States more cost-effective.

To quote your own election material, you “want to make the States more efficient and give value for money”.

Brave words, indeed.

But what of the reality of your voting record in the States?

Let us take two examples.

On the 9th September you – quite extraordinarily, given you professed political objectives – voted AGAINST the establishment of a Committee of Enquiry into the catastrophic failure of public administration which has led to St. Helier’s land reclamation sites – including the “Waterfront” – being giant toxic waste dumps riddled with 500,000 tonnes of toxic incinerator ash.

Not even the official comments of the Council of Ministers could argue with the facts as described in my proposition.

A more corporate, gross, dangerous and expensive example of States incompetence and inefficiency as the ash dumping scandal is almost too difficult to imagine.

How do you square you election sales-pitch with the reality of your pro-active support for protecting from accountability, the system which caused this disaster?

Moving to my second question.

On September the 11th, 2007, you voted in favour of the proposition to have me dismissed as Minster. The dismissal motion against me – as was well-documented at the time - had been engineered by a number of grossly incompetent, dangerous and dishonest - and immensely expensive – civil servants.

The prime motivation of the civil servants in question was to get rid of me in order that they be able to hide the fact that so incompetent, lazy and unethical had they been – they’d been running for years a child custody system which was illegal and abusive. A fact which had been explained to me by the whistle-blower, Simon Bellwood – who I believed – instead of believing my plainly lying civil servants.

Fast-foreword to 11th October 2008. In an illustration of just how right me and Bellwood were – and how disastrously wrong the civil servants – and those like you who passively supported them were – even The Rag says this: “Grand Prix system was abusive and illegal”. It goes on to say, “Locking children up in solitary confinement.....was abusive and illegal a damning report will reveal.”

Again, I must ask – how do you square the traditional, dismal failure of States members to hold the civil service to account – as exhibited by you – with your election spin as a champion of “accountability”?

I put it to you that, in fact, your entire election pitch is predicated on an utterly fictitious “record” of holding the system to account; that in reality – you are as hopeless, weak and incapable of imposing discipline on the civil service as all the rest of the supposed “champions of efficiency” in the States?

I look forward to your answers to the three questions above.

Stuart.

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2008, 10:38:34 AM »
I,d like to see the answers before election day.

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2008, 10:58:03 AM »
Stuart

Can I ask you a question on your voting record. How do you atone for your record of non attendance when it comes to voting within the chamber ?
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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2008, 12:10:44 PM »
Sarah
Your campaign in these elections is predicated on the concept that you are a champion of “accountability”. You would have the public believe that you are committed to battling to make the States more cost-effective.

To quote your own election material, you “want to make the States more efficient and give value for money”.

I can't find it on gov.je but I've seen Daniel Wimberley's copy of her review of spending. Firstly, it looked as if the identified "savings" were £27.1 million, not the £30+ million that Sarah is trumpeting at the Hustings as being down to her "with a little bit of common sense" approach - a phrase we are getting a bit sick of, due to hearing it about 10 times so far. In the report, however, it says something along the lines of "the savings identified could be very hard to implement and may prove unacceptable to the public" - she doesn't mention this bit though when she is attempting to wow the public with her financial acumen!

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2008, 12:18:23 PM »
My Voting Record.

Quiet simple.

The notion of the voting record as a guide to the effectiveness and relevance of politicians’ work is utterly meaningless.

Publishing the voting record was just a bit of spin and propaganda initiated by Ben Shenton.

The main problem with it is that it is simply a quantitative measure – rather than a qualitative measure.

Let me explain. Imagine there is a lengthy piece of legislation going through the assembly; you support it – and you know that 90% of States members support it as well.

There happen to be two or three members who are implacable in their opposition to the legislation.

Any, single member has a right to have the individual parts of the law debated separately – just as any single member has a right to call for a recorded vote.

Therefore you can have a situation when one member will oppose each and every component of the draft law – and call for a recorded vote at each and every stage.

Thus you get situations where there might be 30 recorded votes in a single day – just because one member opposes a new law.

By way of contrast, a genuinely important debate on a single question might go on for two days - with just one recorded vote at the end of it.

This is why I say the measure is meaningless – because it is quantitative rather than qualitative.

But it’s worse than meaningless – because you get some members who are keen to have a good voting record – so will take part in all of the repetitive, trivial votes – but when it’s the really contentious, difficult votes – they’re away on holiday, or ill – or whatever.

So on the face of it – the casual observer might look at the voting record of member X, and think – ‘well, they’re certainly doing a good job’ – whereas, in truth, member X has contrived to be missing on those few occasions when it really matters.

When the less important debates are occurring, I’m in the members’ computer room downstairs, listening to the debate on the radio – whilst I deal with hundreds of e-mails on behalf of dozens of constituents.

Personally, I feel doing actual work - as opposed to sitting slumped in the chamber listening to frequently tedious and meaningless speeches is a far better use of my time.

It also happens to be the case that during the early part of 2007 – I had a long absence of illness as I had had to have my leg re-broken and some metal plates put in it because of an old motorcycling injury.

Hope that make things clear.

Stuart.

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2008, 12:27:17 PM »
You just made that, "Old Motorcycling injury", bit up to get the sympathy vote from the Bikers club. Didn,t you...........Go on..........admit it.

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 01:05:17 PM »
Nah - you can come and have a look at my scars if you like. Lower left leg; it's quite a mess.

Stuart

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2008, 03:02:37 PM »
Whoop de doo. I got S.S. to answer a post without an essay.

Do I win a prize? ;D ;D ;D

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2008, 03:31:34 PM »
You win a trip to Iceland.

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2008, 03:34:50 PM »
The shop or Country ;D

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2008, 04:14:19 PM »
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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2008, 04:44:12 PM »
Anyhow, I do agree with Stuart, though. You can compare it to people speaking. Person A says something in a few words, person B needs long debates. Does it necessarily mean that person B has a lot more to say than person A, though ? I guess we all know the answer to that one !

I have to admit that I was also appalled at the low level of attendance in general - I've been in the gallery a few times and often a lot of chairs were not taken. Stuart makes a very good point now, though. However, it also happens the Assembly does not reach the quorum when important issues are being discussed, and that just shows contempt, I think. And I've got a feeling that not everyone absent has, indeed, a valid reason every time.

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2008, 04:57:51 PM »
You can't honestly say that having a cup of tea and a biscuit is not a valid reason  ::)

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2008, 06:23:34 AM »
Sarah

I think a lot of people are waiting for your answers to the three questions.

Why the reluctance to debate your position?

Presumably, you do consider your record defensible?

If so – explain why I’m wrong?

Ducking out of accountability is not going to impress anybody.

Stuart.

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Re: 3 Questions for Sarah Ferguson.
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2008, 06:31:50 AM »
Stuart,  have some patience.

I dare say that Fergie will be on here soon to answer your questions.  She is probably in the AG's office at the moment discussing a friend's legal problems.

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