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Offline One Jersey 08

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2008, 02:19:42 PM »
I also have a degree in join social sciences.
I have a job. It ok but at the interview I was told after 6 months I would get a permanent contract. That was over 2 years ago and only just now got a  permanet one. Its not a personal thing aimed at me I'm told. They must stop mucking people around like this.


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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2008, 02:49:26 PM »
It's the first step on the HR career ladder actually. Like many students this summer, Jeremy has found it really difficult to find a job where employers are prepared to train youngsters - despite what the Economics Minister and his Deputy would have us believe - that's why some of Jeremy's friends left a couple of weeks ago - no decent jobs or training and no prospect of owning their own home. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Jeremy has been involved in the Youth Parliament, school debates, year representative and other areas which are a good gorunding for a political career as he has been planning this since he was 16. He chose HR as he thought this would be good experience in dealing with a wide range of issues in the workplace and he wanted to gain a qualification in this field but employers simply don't want to fund the training.

It's really tough for our young people out there - that's one of the reasons Jeremy is standing - he does know how hard it is for young people to be taken seriously and your comment is just typical of so many people's attitude. Just because they're young does not mean they have no understanding of how hard it is to make ends meet or how difficult it is to find a decent job. If their families are not wealthy, they see the worry and hardship their parents have to go through to pay the bills and keep a roof over their heads. As I work fulltime Jeremy used to do the shopping after his classes so he is well aware of the cost of groceries and knows all about budgetting. He's seen his father stressed out when customers don't pay their bills on time but we have to pay other people in the meantime. Just because you're young does not mean you live in an ivory tower - that only applies if you're rich.

Well I for one admire what he is doing and I will be giving him my vote, it will be good sport seeing him against the old todgers, draging them into the real world. 

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2008, 03:24:50 PM »
Jeremy spoke well at the hustings in St. Helier tonight and I think he surprised a lot of people. He's got what it takes but is this election just a little to early for him? I would like to see him run for Deputy. I would vote for him in that role given the chance.

Offline Jersey Spud

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2008, 03:42:26 PM »
He's on a 6 month contract - therefore no training or exams. Typical Jersey investment in youth. The only good thing that will come out of this is a bit of experience and Ogiers will look good on his CV.

Senator Ozouf is so out of touch with what's going on in the workplace nowadays. Firms don't take people on permanently to avoid training and examination fees and of course you're not eligible for salary rises or bonuses. They just want you to stay in the same job and not better yourself. They might renew your contract but of course you still don't get the benefits of a permanent contract and you can't plan for the future as you don't have a secure(ish) salary.

There is a lot of work to be done in revamping the whole field of employment. Some employers are very good but others really are the pits and very often the bigger the firm the worse it is.

What does Jeremy have to say about you slagging off his employer? Is he allowed to share his views with us?


Offline Nellie Macon

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2008, 04:42:46 AM »
I did not mean that Ogiers do not train their staff when they take them on permanently but contract staff do lose out on training unfortunately and this is a great shame, particularly when youngsters are starting out. I do know a lot of businesses that take on contract staff specifically so that they don't qualify for the usual staff benefits and it would be much better if the businesses, if they did decide to retain contact staff would count the time worked under contract towards the qualifying period for whatever benefits are eligible to permanent staff. This would end much of the inequality.

I was not "having a go" at Ogiers as I know that they are amongst the top employers in looking after their staff and from those I have spoken to personally they are very happy to work there. I was remarking on local employers in general. I've experienced this myself with some of the top banks.

You can see from the comments below that I am not the only person to have experienced this.

Many local firms (not Ogiers) do not want to invest in training their staff and would rather recruit people that are already qualified and this is the reason why we are losing so many of our young people.

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2008, 06:00:03 AM »
Anyone who has gone for a soft option like HR cannot really expect to be taken seriously.
HR roles are the admission of failure , lack of ambition and are second only to compliance ( The area where the least qualified , smallest ability and lack of knowledge is paramount to succeed, Witness the FSC where almost all the local bods are people who have failed in the real world )
Best of luck mate , but why not come back when you actually have a life instead of trying to wring one out of the taxpayer?

Offline Nellie Macon

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2008, 06:13:56 AM »
For those of you who believe Jeremy is tied to my apron strings I would just like to let you know that I have had one of the biggest tellings off in my life from Jeremy who does not agree with my comments at all as he feels Ogiers have been very good to him, particularly in allowing him to stand for Senator when many companies would not have let him do so and for giving him a chance at his first "real" job when he has been looking for one all summer.

So there you are - I stand corrected and apologise to anyone from Ogiers that I have offended. No doubt when I get home Jeremy will have further words with me!

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2008, 06:17:38 AM »
For those of you who believe Jeremy is tied to my apron strings I would just like to let you know that I have had one of the biggest tellings off in my life from Jeremy who does not agree with my comments at all as he feels Ogiers have been very good to him, particularly in allowing him to stand for Senator when many companies would not have let him do so and for giving him a chance at his first "real" job when he has been looking for one all summer.

So there you are - I stand corrected and apologise to anyone from Ogiers that I have offended. No doubt when I get home Jeremy will have further words with me!

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Offline Eastern correspondent

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2008, 06:31:05 AM »
John McCain will get his mum out before the USA elections - just you wait and see!

Offline The Rev Peter Sarkey

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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2008, 06:43:00 AM »
John McCain will get his mum out before the USA elections - just you wait and see!

He does it all the time!!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2XTDHltNVU
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Re: Will NOT vote for
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2008, 07:30:25 AM »
Ever spent much time in the States Dylan? Not the States in which you find people like Peter Troy you understand.